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 Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:48 pm
hot_wheels_turbo_racing Ding-ding-ding, that would be right. I barely read because basically everything I find to read is nothing but a piece of crap. There are good books, but they are far and few. The Bible is pretty much the only book I read. Quote: On the contrary, I love to read. Too bad there's hardly anything worth reading. There are more works of great literature and great thinking out there than you could hope to read in a lifetime. I'm sorry that you've decided that making the (rather minimal) effort to search them out (try going to the literature or philosophy section of your local bookstore) is too much trouble for you. That's unfortunate. "The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who can't read them." -- Mark Twain
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:04 pm
You know, I'm like, totally feeling ignored here.
This is, like, the third completely relavent and not-all-that-easy-to-miss post I've made that has been totally and entirely ignored. So, if anyone actually cares about what I have to say, then, by all means, please looke two posts up from HWTR's long post on the last page.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:25 am
Quote: Better Christians than either of us read Harry Potter, So your saying that just because they may be better christians than you or I that they dont fall into sin? And do they even know the verses that Ive sited over and over? Just because someone is a better christian dosnt mean that they might not be doing something that is unbiblical. How many christian priests do you hear of molesting little boys? They say they are great christians only to find out that they are sick perverts. My point is people can be great christian people but not nessesarily be doing exactally what the bible says they should do or not do
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:28 am
Quote: As far as I am concerned, if it isn't talked about in the New Testament, then it was thrown out on the Cross. Im have to disagree with you on this, many things were thrown out with the cross, such as killing animals to be forgiven of sins, but many things werent (such as the idea of creation). Just because it may or may not be mentioned in the new testament dosnt mean it should be thrown out. And as Ive stated on several occasions to avoid witchcraft is in the New Testament so regardless the bible says to avoid it.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:37 pm
Holypimp Im have to disagree with you on this, many things were thrown out with the cross, such as killing animals to be forgiven of sins, but many things werent (such as the idea of creation). Just because it may or may not be mentioned in the new testament dosnt mean it should be thrown out. Creation is not a moral law. The part of the bible pertaining to the beginning of the world was an accounting. Quote: And as Ive stated on several occasions to avoid witchcraft is in the New Testament so regardless the bible says to avoid it. yes, but I was making a point as to why OT references were not valid.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:43 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Creation is not a moral law. The part of the bible pertaining to the beginning of the world was an accounting.. Ok so its an accounting but you still cant throw out all old testament law just because its not mentioned in the new testemant, a lot of our moral law today comes from old testament law. Cometh The Inquisitor yes, but I was making a point as to why OT references were not valid. I understand that but some of the old testament references are valid.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:47 pm
Quote: yeah, worse then anything you have/will see in Harry Potter. OK so yeah there are some worse things in the bible compared to Harry Potter, so what? The Bible condmens witchcraft Harry Potter glorifies the idea.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:38 pm
I don't think they are per say, "bad." I have read them all so far. I am a youth minister. I think that they should not be read by someone who won't understand them especially if not given any explanation that this is "FANTACY" writing. Most people who do read, know that they are not real. Yes, witchcraft is bad. The Bible does state that. But Harry Potter is not recruiting people to become Witches or Warlocks! Harry Potter doesn't exist.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:56 pm
Holypimp Ok so its an accounting but you still cant throw out all old testament law just because its not mentioned in the new testemant, a lot of our moral law today comes from old testament law. I'd actually argue that Old Testament Law was, in fact, created to be fufilled by the New Testament law. But this is not very on topic. Quote: I understand that but some of the old testament references are valid. No. No moral law in the Old Testament is valid today. All moral laws that Christians must follow are in the New Testament.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:29 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor No. No moral law in the Old Testament is valid today. All moral laws that Christians must follow are in the New Testament. Well, except, you know, for love God and love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus was kinda explicit about those two still applying, regardless of what you think about the others.
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:01 pm
Gilwen You're here to SHOW us why Harry Potter is wrong? Yep Gilwen Want to earn some credibility? Don't care. Gilwen Quote a single verse that supports anything you've said. Galatians 5:19-21 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." Is reading Harry Potter doing witchcraft? No, but since it shares association with witchcraft, better to stay away from it. Do you agree with me that I am right? Gilwen Sorry, but God isn't giving you those words. Who are you to say what God has told me to say? You're starting to remind me of Cometh. Gilwen Better Christians than either of us read Harry Potter More like worse. Gilwen and until you can convince me why it hasn't hurt their walk with God, and why God hasn't convicted them of their actions, then I flat out won't believe a thing you say. And until you can convince me why it has improved their walk with God, why God hasn't conviced them of their actions, then I flat out won't believe a thing you say. Gilwen Jesus said we would know Christians by their fruits. I fail to see what good fruit Harry Potter's producing in any Christian. Gilwen If Harry Potter is truly evil Which it is. Gilwen it will produce bad fruit. Which it does. Gilwen It, in itself, doesn't, as proved by my friends. You haven't proved that beyond a reasonable doubt. Gilwen basically said that a) Harry Potter is unquestionably wrong Which it is. Gilwen we're held accountable for wrongs we commit Which we are. Gilwen therefore, c) we are held accountable for reading Harry Potter "now that we know" it's wrong. No, you were held accountable for that even before you knew it was wrong. Gilwen Basically: You said that reading about sin is in itself a sin. Nope, I said reading Harry Potter was a sin. Gilwen So excuse us for trying to get you to back up or explain your claims. No excuse for you. Gilwen (Not to mention that you said we should look to the Holy Spirit for guidance Which we should. Gilwen but when we made it clear that the Holy Spirit hasn't told us Harry Potter is wrong The Holy Spirit could very well be telling you through this very thread. Gilwen you've determined it's your job to convince us.) I'd love to to that, but I'm only determined to do the work here God has called me to do. Tangled Up In Blue There are more works of great literature and great thinking out there than you could hope to read in a lifetime. Name one, just for the heck of it. Tangled Up In Blue I'm sorry that you've decided that making the (rather minimal) effort to search them out (try going to the literature or philosophy section of your local bookstore) is too much trouble for you. That's unfortunate. And what makes you think I've never done that? Tangled Up In Blue "The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who can't read them." -- Mark Twain Ah, there's an author who's writings I can't stand. Yes, I have read some of his works, and they were all terrible. Somebody please show me how The Norotious Jumping Frog of Calvernas County is supposed to be funny. Cometh The Inquisitor You know, I'm like, totally feeling ignored here. Well, now you know how I feel. Cometh The Inquisitor This is, like, the third completely relavent and not-all-that-easy-to-miss post I've made that has been totally and entirely ignored. Well, I haven't been counting my numbers, but my points have been ignored, and they're not easy to miss.
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:48 pm
[ Message temporarily off-line ]
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:29 pm
There is no way for me to answer this. I refuse to dignify a post that simply picks apart every sentence of the opposition by giving opinionated, unsupported answers to each phrase instead of taking in the entire message of the person posting. Here are the two things I have left to say: 1) Find a verse that says it's wrong to read about witchcraft. If you do, great. I'll stop now. If you don't, what you're saying is wrong, because you're saying Harry Potter is a sin. If there's no Scriptural support for that, then you're just making up sins. 2) This is one difference between my Harry Potter-reading friends and you: my friends have never told me they "don't care" about what I have to say or about what I think.
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:41 pm
PS The respect level in this thread needs to be raised a few notches. Remember: we're talking with actual people, not machines.
Also, I love the Divine Comedy. heart
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:48 am
Quote: Is reading Harry Potter doing witchcraft? No, but since it shares association with witchcraft, better to stay away from it. Do you agree with me that I am right? No, I don't. I went through a similiar questioning when I became a Christian in whether or not to give up Charmed, Buffy the Vampire Slayer or Angel. And the conclusion is still the same as it always has been, watching a film or reading a book about witchcraft, is not the same as performing it. You can put that idea in can with as many justifications as you would like, shake it up, and when you pour it out, it will still not be a sin to read a story which involves magic. UNLESS, you cannot seperate reality from fantasy. Then I could see the opportunity for a negative impact in the Christian walk. Otherwise, the only reason to fear any work of fiction is if you beleive your faith is not strong enough to be questioned....in which case I would stay away from ED-P, because it will definately come under fire. Quote: And until you can convince me why it has improved their walk with God, why God hasn't conviced them of their actions, then I flat out won't believe a thing you say. That standard isn't really applicable. Something doesn't have to improve your walk with God in order to not be a sin. Gilwen it will produce bad fruit. So back your statement up......what bad fruit does it produce? Gilwen Basically: You said that reading about sin is in itself a sin. Quote: Nope, I said reading Harry Potter was a sin. Well that certainly limits your argument down a bit. Show us in the bible where it says "An ye though you walk through London, do not stop by the Leaky Cauldron, for there waits only Harry Pottter with a days wage of sin...." Seriously though....if you're arguement isn't that reading about sin is a sin, then WHY EXACTLY is Harry Potter a sin? Quote: The Holy Spirit could very well be telling you through this very thread. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Sorry guy, the Holy Spirit talks to me through prayer, scripture and through spirit. I would think that if the Holy Spirit was talking through this thread, that it would be more convincing. I believe that you truly believe Harry Potter is a sin. But I also beleive that you have no clue why you think it's a sin. Maybe you're worried that your faith isn't strong enough to be exposed to conflicting thoughts and ideas...which is really a weak arguement because there is nothing in the HP books that challenge the existance, believe and trust in God.
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