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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:45 am
Making a new RP was decided on a while back I believe, we're talking about ideas for it now.
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:50 am
Thank you for clarifying that for everyone Razull.
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:19 pm
Razull Raven - It probably would be an obstacle for the Empire as a whole unless these Sith recognize Sidious as the reigning Dark Lord. But that's unlikely if they've been biding time from the sidelines until now, they could acknowledge him for his mastery of the Dark Side but I don't think they'd follow him. Having a third side may help though, if you make this rogue group unplayable to the RP-ers you can form a common enemy at one point. Unplayable sounds good too, if it adds more plot and versatility to the RP :3
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:54 pm
Just thought about this... Dunno who mentioned the ideology of "respecting" the Darths (and I apologize for not having your name on hand), but what if the Sith decided to do something about this "impostor" Dark Lord Sideous? Like infiltrate the Empire and "remove" him from leadership and promote one of their own? A coup for a coup, ya know? And with Sideous usurped from power, a larger, more threatening force could begin leading the Empire. If the Sith infiltration were to succeed, you could also bring in the other Dark Jedi and the Sith in as "reinforcements."
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:55 pm
Sidal Just thought about this... Dunno who mentioned the ideology of "respecting" the Darths (and I apologize for not having your name on hand), but what if the Sith decided to do something about this "impostor" Dark Lord Sideous? Like infiltrate the Empire and "remove" him from leadership and promote one of their own? A coup for a coup, ya know? And with Sideous usurped from power, a larger, more threatening force could begin leading the Empire. If the Sith infiltration were to succeed, you could also bring in the other Dark Jedi and the Sith in as "reinforcements." That sounds interesting as concept on its own :3 It would allow us to create our own 'Darth' along with our own story. And... since you talk about infiltrating and eliminating, I see a perfect spot to throw in my rogue character as well. She could help with the infiltration, and 'diserve' her right to become an apprentice of the Sith. Of course, that 'diserving' is nothing more but an excuse towards her. They are Sith after all.
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:46 pm
Wow, lot of good idea over the weekend. I love it. heart But I’m a little confused about something. The jedi joined the Confederacy of Independent Systems? And Palpatine reformed the Republic into the First Galactic Empire? As I right so far?
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:53 pm
The Confederation I believe sided with Palpatines coup, while the Jedi remained with the remaining members of the Republic after the Empire split the galactic territory in half. Just my thought on the matter.
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:58 pm
K-Blade brings up a good point. What I wrote wasn't very clear on that at all. If the CIS and Republic merged after Palpatine took control, wouldn't the Empire now have access to droids as well as clones? Or, would the CIS just disbanding be better? ( I think clones and droids fighting side-by-side sounds so cool, but that's just me xD). I have just originally planned it to be the way Sidal explained it, but either way, it should definitely be addressed.
In terms of these alternate Sith, I think the idea has quite a lot of potential. It certainly gets points for originality. I think the story I can be editted (quite heavily) to actually revolve around them, while still keeping the key themes.
Maybe these Sith could infiltrate the Galaxy through some sort of worm-hole (like what was discussed earlier) onto the abandoned capital of Coruscant, their attention having been drawn by the massive Civil War that happened a decade before. While there, they learn from what little remains of working technology that Palpatine claims to be a Sith, and therefore plot his downfall.
Meanwhile, the Imperials and the Republic (still in their Cold War style truce), detect these amassing lifeforms on Coruscant, and assume that the other side is planning to annex it and use it as a base to launch an offensive. So, with peace broken, they both launch fleets to Coruscant to stop the other.
We'd have the two factions collide in battles across and above Coruscant, with a hidden third faction (Ninja-like Sith), just getting used to this galaxy. This, again, gives room for the plot to branch out as the Sith leave the planet in search of Palpatine, and the end to peace between the Imperials and the Republic.
There is one point I'd like to add about these Sith. In this sense, I think they should be limited to melee and Force combat only. No ranged, no space. They wouldn't even have the technology for this. "Seph, you're a mad man!" I hear you cry, but let me explain. As they're from another Galaxy, their technology would likely be very different. In fact, I was imagining them being so advanced in the ways of the Force, that technology is obsolete to them, at least in their own Galaxy. However, learning about our Galaxy's technology (space travel, guns, droids etc) is part of their development within the story.
Thoughts?
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Sephiroth_2000 Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:34 pm
Xeno-Sith huh? Using massive Force-energy to propel ships through space, bringing techniques unseen by Jedi and "native" Sith... Could bring madness. Could bring chaos. Could make things... Interesting. Heh, I had a story written for a character I've been working on and I could see how our stories could collide in ways. Maybe these Xeno-Sith (I love that term BTW) bring different species with them, maybe as slaves to operate what little technology they use such as repairing ship hulls and operating life-support while they meditate and wait in shadows for the time to strike. Perhaps species far different than those of "cannon" Star Wars. Got a quote a Sith Lord or even a Darth might say.
"We fight not with open fists and eyes with rage; we wage our war in shadows, painting ourselves in dried blood to mask our presence among your dead."
As for the CIS Droids fighting along side Republic Clones... >.> That kinda 1-sides things, army wise. The Clones were the Ace the Republic held during the war to even-things out against the Trade Federation; before Clone technology, we couldn't mass-produce soldiers, other than droids. That's just my 2 cents worth. However, should Clone technology become semi-commercial... Imagine "Clones To The Highest Bidder." Mercenary Mandalorian Militias (or the M3). OR, perhaps a means of rapidly producing droids becomes available, similar to (but not as evil as) the Star Forge from KotOR. Millions of droids and thousands of clones in closed combat. Chaos I Say!
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:23 pm
On the Clones and Droids thing - I think you should stick with one or another, maybe even upgrade one. In a war such as this, a force like the battle droids would be very valuable - so long as they aren't the comical mooks that make up the CG Clone Wars CIS armies - much more efficient than any living breathing soldier.
Private Mandalorian clone militias going to the highest bidder as Sidal brought up would be cool too.
On the subject of these new Sith, they could prove to be problematic, albeit interesting. There's no way to gauge their strength in ways seen by the core galaxy, this could be an army of people capable of pulling warships into each other, turning Coruscant into a second Malachor V. Their methods of becoming so strong have to be thought out too, it sounds that as a society they seem to be more mystic, raw and primal, their powers grew as a collective and that's how they advanced rather than through technology, which would be a fine explanation.
But do they feed upon the force such as Nihilus or the Exile? Or do they simply grow through learning.
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:50 am
Seph's ideas are good. I think they clarify and combine/add very well to the ideas we had already. There's plenty of material to game with and just as much material that leaves spots open for creativity or change, while alltogether being original. To me they sound great.
Also the new Sith being more mystic, raw and primal as Razull said, sounds a nice fill-up for the background. Toghether with them having slaves to take care of the little bit of technology they use, the new Sith sound intriguing, dangerous and yet not overpowered due to the fact they have no clue of this 'new galaxy' they're in. Also the 'grow as collective' sounds interesting. If they see their powers are matched and wish to grow, they should learn as one collective being yet sticking to certain traditions and 'honor' (such as: use of tech is below them, ranged combat is without honor, ...). I'm not really sure how 'bad' it would be for the Force itself if a collective mass of Sith would feed upon them, but it sounds surely bad enough to weaken and even flaw other Force-users' powers. As example, because of their presence and Force use, Palpatine's lightning could be weakened/strengthend or even have a change of color or effect that is beyond his control. Same would go for Light-side powers. Because of this there are two possibilities: either they grow through learning instead of feeding and we don't have Force alteration, or we'll have to work on 'alternate' Force powers in case one's Forcebond has been tainted =P
Sidal's idea of Xeno-Sith and his quote sound like the new Sith-kind would prefer to play Assassin/Spy/infiltrator or Politician. Also, perhaps, since they are so strong in the Force to the extend of propelling ship by cheer Forcepower, perhaps we could weaken their physical attributes as compensation? That'd make them a more magey-kind of body, with rogue/assassin-like atitudes and lifestyle.
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:33 pm
While everyone is entitled to their opinion, in regards to participation in the discussion, I am witholding my comments largely because the last roleplay was majority of my own construction. It failing is a blow to myself, so I am instead sitting back to see what everyone else wants to do, and how they want it done. I will then do what I can in my power to make it happen, as acting VC.
In any case, the idea of extragalactic Sith is a nice idea, but I will caution that originally, the Yuuzhan Vong were planned as Sith (their leader, Onimi, in fact technically was a Dark Jedi).
But perhaps an easier idea were to tie it to something already in existance, such as a reemergence of the Rakatan Empire (or their technology in use by others) or the True Sith. It' very possible a sect of dark siders could've sat out there, studying the relics of a long dead race, and mastering their advanced technology and power.
As for the idea of Empire vs Republic, I find it illogical. Considering who would side with the Republic, they would quickly turn into the Rebel Alliance, being that they'd have all the same leaders. Only difference is no Leia or Luke.
Also, the Empire using CIS droids seems like a bad idea to me, seeing as they have their own droids, in the form of Darktroopers. No need to add more here.
If people want to see and use CIS hardware, I suggest that the CIS merges with either the Republic or the Dark Jedi. the Republic wouldn't be using clones anyway, so they'd need help.
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ElladanKenet Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:33 pm
OK, so the YZs were PLANNED as Sith... But that never panned out. They kind evolved into they're on species, not to mention they had an absence (and logically their inability to use) the Force. I don't mean to bash, but how do a bunch of bio-technoids like the YZs b-line into the Xeno-Sith, other than their shunning of technology?
In regard to using the Infinite Empire, why choose now to come back? Where'd they go? And weren't the Rakatan wiped out in civil war?
Moving on, the CIS and the Empire; you got a point there, but indirectly. If the Empire made and controlled the clones, it'd make sense to keep them around, since they were, indirectly, the main aggressor versus the CIS. I could see the "Republic Remnants," whats left of the Republic Council, choosing to augment themselves with droids of their former enemy because they lost their ace, the Clones, to the Empire in the coup. They'd need an army, and since they'd be going up against a massive army of super-soldier clones of Jango Fett, any help is better than no help, unless they contracted a LOT of mercenary help from outside sources.
Lastly, as for sides, the original Rebellion was made from former Republic Council members anyways. Its gonna make sense they form the Remnants. After all, the coup failed, so the Republic itself is still somewhat together. Half would be the Empire, and the other half Republic Remnant turf. Unless a group like the Zann Consortium, Black Sun, or some outside army begins a territorial push, the Republic and Empire are our 2 sides.
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:11 pm
1- I was merely making the point that the idea was made, and half used.
2- Yes, they were wiped out, between rebellions, disease, and a slow decay into extinction. My idea was one of two things: somewhere, maybe outside the galaxy, a sect of Rakatans survived and are back to continue their Empire OR a group of dark jedi find some Rakatan tech and use it as the backbone of their new plan for conquest.
3- The Republic stopped using pure Jango clones (as we know in Episode 2) within a year of the war. After the attack on kamino, Palps started using Spaarti Cylinders to augment his armies, which produced the clones he'd need for a galactic war, that were more loyal and obediant, but less effective than the originals. That's why the 501st became so renown by the end of the war, not because their members were better than original clones, but because they WERE original clones. Most clones by Episode 3 were being made using Spaarti Cylinders
4- Having the Underworld is another good card. There's always a need for seedy elements in the roleplay, of which right now, the Hutt Empire is the big dog, seeing as Xizor won't come into control of Black Sun for another decade or so
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ElladanKenet Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:25 pm
HA! You brought in some ideas! Well, lets discuss 'em, knock 'em against the Xeno-Sith idea and the Split Galaxy idea.
So, the Rakatan (or some of their tech) survived and are now a weapon for the Empire or the Sith. Could be interesting seeing ships or even a species believed to be extinct after 5 millennia in hiding. Maybe they bring with them a means of rebuilding the Star Forge or even something FAR worse than it; maybe some sort of "Force bomb" that rips the very essence of the Force from a populace, creating a great wound. Kinda took the KotOR2 "Force wound" idea and super-expanded it I admit. But ya gotta wonder how they were found. Imperial/Republic explorer probe? Land-seeker went to the wrong 'hood? Maybe they found us and made first contact as a "tribe" and not a "species?" Maybe the Underworld elements found them and hid them in exchange for weapons and technology, creating a "third side" in the way; sort of a mobster war for political power. *shudders at the idea of Jabba the Emperor*
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