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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:57 pm


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they send messages via transport and the Aun caste keeps the planets in check as well as every time they expand they grow and get more people so as long as they keep growing they have a chance...

compared to psykers , transport relay message system is sadly slow and clumsy... Tau technology just isn't fitting for anything more than their compact empire. how do you call for reinforcements in case of major invasion? and then shallow-warp jumps slow down deployment of reinforcements. Get one major Hive fleet to assault Tau empire and watch it crumble. Get Imperium to launch real crusade with full dozen or so of Marine chapters - the same.


actually they did... the damocles (sp?) crusade.. they liberated most of the second sphere expansion worlds and they moved on to wipe out a sept... forget which one and it ground into a stalemate other stuff was happening so the crusade was called off and a truce was struck with those soldiers being redeployed to fight some other threat.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:36 pm


this was a minor crusade with 2-3 companies of Astatrtes and a few regiments of Guard, now imagine something akin to Macharius push...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:18 am


If a man (or woman whee ) of the calibre of Macharius were to rise again and target the Tau, they would be properly done for, no question about that.

I wonder what would've happened if Macharius was around when the Tyranids started to show up. Maybe less loss of worlds?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:56 pm


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compared to psykers , transport relay message system is sadly slow and clumsy... Tau technology just isn't fitting for anything more than their compact empire. how do you call for reinforcements in case of major invasion? and then shallow-warp jumps slow down deployment of reinforcements.

Transport messaging can be faster than you think - at most it's 8 hours + transit time to deliver messages. Likely only 4 hours + transit time. And Tau Messenger ships are the fastest ships they field. Tau FTL may not be rapid response, but it is reliable. Where the Imperium may have different ships in a fleet or flotilla show up at different times because of the vagaries of the warp, a Tau fleet will show up in unified force.

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Get one major Hive fleet to assault Tau empire and watch it crumble. Get Imperium to launch real crusade with full dozen or so of Marine chapters - the same.


That's the rub, isn't it? A hive fleet is still largely vulnerable in space - and that's how Shadowsun broke the splinter that came at the Empire - in space where Tau can hammer them with long range salvos. The Tau communication method isn't blacked out by the Shadow in the Warp - so reinforcements can be called easily enough. Of course the main push of a Hive Fleet would annihilate the Tau... but why would the main thrust of a hive fleet pass through a backwater in the eastern fringe?

Likewise, while the Imperium has the manpower to eliminate the Tau, it doesn't have the spare forces to do it. Damocles was a weak crusade because there's just so much else going on that's more important than a tiny alien empire on the far eastern fringe. Can't pull troops from here, or here or here because there's 3 different Waaagh!'s raging through, Cadia needs more equipment, and Armageddon is still in flames. Can't pull sector fleets because of increasing incursions by Necrons, Eldar, and Dark Eldar. Hive Fleet splinters are everywhere, and the latest bunch of gribblies looks like it's pushing for Terra. Chaos legions are still active and the Imperium is still dealing with the aftermath of Abbadon's latest failure. The Tau Empire is just so unimportant compared to the legions of threats the Imperium faces that it's going to remain largely unmolested.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:03 pm


I think people are under estimating the Tau. For a small race that doesn't have much you're talking about a lot of forces to FIGHT them.

Besides with the troops you're talking about to fight the Tau, I or anyone could easily say "Yeah well throw 30 hive fleets at the Imperium and they'd get their butts kicked." Or maybe if we tossed 10 legions of traitor marines led by Horus and his brother primarchs at the Imperium.

Gee when you put those kind of things into perspective, it seems to me like the Tau are a force to be reckoned with. Even if they're a small empire.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:09 pm


Well, in a 40k world mere survival is a proof of potent force (cough, Eldar of any allegiance). I cant deny Tau are quite efficient at running their compact Empire. It's just that they dont have (yet) the tech needed for Galaxy-spanning one (long range warp travel/comms of the Imperium, Eldar Webway while it was still operating).
Tau might somehow technically master the warp yet (AI navigators? psi-transceivers?). But it they fail, they will never be able to form more than loose confederation of isolated colonies, much like pre-Imperium humans.
As for the Tyranids and backwater Eastern Fringe, both Bhemoth and Kraken were coming from that direction... had Behemoth veered off a few degrees it could have hit Tau instead of Ultramar. (ouch!)

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:45 pm


The Tau will never master the warp

after The Fall of Medusa V, The Tau believe further research about the warp would be infeasible

given the "Get something wrong a demon appears and kills your science team"

They most likely go down another path to get FTL technology

what could happen quite quickly really.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:07 am


whoever makes GW the most money.. thread over....

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:23 am


It's funny actually, the Warhammer fantasy world is always described as being in balance between good and evil and that the next edition would decide who would triumph. With 40k it just looks like there's a general time freeze put on. gonk
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:22 pm


In a Galaxy spanning war not much happens very fast.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:31 pm


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In a Galaxy spanning war not much happens very fast.


True. Also a thought occurs to me, given the various issues of sending messages through the warp, I wonder how an inter-planetary game of chinese whispers would play out? confused
PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:53 am


Tau to Terra: We'd like to do our utmost to avoid war.
first relay: We'd like to do avoid war.
second relay: We'd like to do a void war.
third relay: This means war!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 4:42 am


Psychic signals that are sent across the galaxy will in most cases get across in one piece. The message is sent in a package so to say and will be boosted across sectors from one psychic hub to the other. It's only when warp storms or the Shadow of the Warp pops up that things tend to go awry.

Or when the author wants the situation to be suitably dramatic and tense..
PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:15 am


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Psychic signals that are sent across the galaxy will in most cases get across in one piece. The message is sent in a package so to say and will be boosted across sectors from one psychic hub to the other. It's only when warp storms or the Shadow of the Warp pops up that things tend to go awry.

Or when the author wants the situation to be suitably dramatic and tense..


We're not going to make it Brookman! The signal will never get through! I'm freaking out man! Chaos.. Chaos everywhere..

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:40 am


...or when the Chaos Gods intervene - they are after all the true masters of the Warp
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