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Owle: Why do you have to go to Lumina and follow the dark spirit leader thing? Go to Marie's city and follow Nyx. They're good and Dark elemental.
[boredom thoughts and attempt to apply the concepts of holy and evil to spirits without making one exclusively holy or evil.] These things are usually disjointed and confusing, cause my brain understands things on levels I don't, but:
[boredom thoughts and attempt to apply the concepts of holy and evil to spirits without making one exclusively holy or evil.] These things are usually disjointed and confusing, cause my brain understands things on levels I don't, but:
:: sigh :: I never specified that one was holy or evil. Hope and Truth aren't holy are they? Reason isn't holy. Logic isn't holy. Rationale isn't holy.
Insanity. Delirium. What's that mean?
The good old dictionary
de•lir•i•um ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-lîr-m)
n. pl. de•lir•i•ums or de•lir•i•a (--)
A temporary state of mental confusion and fluctuating consciousness resulting from high fever, intoxication, shock, or other causes. It is characterized by anxiety, disorientation, hallucinations, delusions, and incoherent speech.
A state of uncontrolled excitement or emotion: sports fans in delirium after their team's victory.
n. pl. de•lir•i•ums or de•lir•i•a (--)
A temporary state of mental confusion and fluctuating consciousness resulting from high fever, intoxication, shock, or other causes. It is characterized by anxiety, disorientation, hallucinations, delusions, and incoherent speech.
A state of uncontrolled excitement or emotion: sports fans in delirium after their team's victory.
And then again... I said that PART of the story was unveiled. Given, with all this heated debate and amendments to something that's half finished - not counting that amendments would royally ******** up the storyline Truewind & I have at the world tree... Gah. See? You're not supposed to know that yet either. gonk
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Hmm.... TFO, and my spirit Nyx. Two dark spirits, one evil, one good... I always though of the elements being the elements. The spirits that were made of their power, as well as the people who were blessed with the ability to use it could decide for themselves whether they were good(holy) or evil.(or in the case of what Josh wrote, on the side of creation or destruction.) Those two sides would be like opposing charges for the magic or whatever.
Who said that they couldn't be? I never did. PLEASE keep in mind that this is a creation story - A REALLY REALLY OLD ONE. If you want to place an anological time to it it's like a tale that was said to the nomads that were the first humans to move from Africa and then spread out in the world.
Aside from giving darkness to get back a freaking bit of sanity after 700,000 years of trying and lounging in the elemental plane, a bunch of other things have changed. Please stop putting words into my mouth or assuming more then what's been stated.
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It'd kinda be like Air +, Air -, Dark +, Dark -, etc. A good and bad force. All magic, spirit, and people would be subject to siding with one of these forces in their actions and magic. (>_> I guess free magic would be the neutral one) Though, this would make each cancel out, instead of one overriding the other. (holy protecting from and destroying evil) Though... the free magic thinger could be on the side of good and make it be more powerful than evil...
Don't even dare to categorize Free Magic as an element. Ever.
From what I said before, FM basically breathed life into everything. Everything originates from FM - the Elementals draw power from it, live off of it, learn off of it; and they can get corrupted by it. If something that's a God to us mere little puny specks can get corrupted and go nuts because of a lengthy exposure to it... What happens to us? The puny little specks that're like parasites walking around on the Elemental's backs.
The things on Gaia - the ground, the earth, the air, the sky - they're only the smallest fraction of the elementals. The other small fraction are the free willed spirits that're all apart of the elemental too.
When Gaians get exposed to free magic they either DIE outright, or get turned into nice little monsters and orcsies and goblins and other nasty things that want to kill everything else because they know that they're ugly. SO DON'T TOUCH IT!
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or I could just drop the Christian relatedness of good being unstoppably powerful, since it doesn't apply to this at all, and it could just be that holy(creation, good) destroys evil(destruction, bad.) but it is also negated, (turning to free magic or something) and they would just cancel each other out...
Yeah it doesn't apply to this at all. Thank you! And that'd be interesting. If Light and Dark clashed and the product of that would be FM. It'd make for a really bad thing if a bunch of Light Magi started fighting Dark ones in the plains or something.
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OH! Hmm... yeah! Magic that comes from free magic as a base would just be magic. (Technically, it would have an element too, but I'd like to think that you could do other things with free magic besides make elements) anyway, this neutral spell could also be given a charge if it didn't have one.
Yeah it can kill you.
It can't get a 'charge' because it IS it's own charge and isn't. It's nothing. It was metaphorically stated as nothing because who else can create something out of nothing aside from the 6 things that already did? gonk
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[Let me define something. Creation would represent good, holy, and such by human standards, and I'll refer to it as positive(+) energy too, Destruction is bad, evil, and will be called negative. Free magic is free of a charge, as well as just being whatever other types of free it was before.]
I don't like this creation/destruction thing for 1 major reason.
It means that there's something, TWO things higher then the spirits that are intelligent and fight, mourn, whatever. It just won't happen.
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Basically, you could make things + or - charged (holy or evil.) This charge would repel the opposite charge and overpower it if the charge was stronger. (an item charged with the force of creation would repel destruction things unless the destruction thing was more powerful.) Aslo, this would be why undead(destrction charged dark magic creatures) would be hurt by creation charged spells.(especially light since it is opposed.)
So wait... you're dragging the good/bad aspect into it even though you said that it didn't apply. The Holy/Evil stuff again. And then again.. you're just stating the most elementary beliefs. A repels Z and Z repels A, depending upon what's stronger. But in this little unique case here oposites attract too. Because if you want to dig back into the Good/Bad thing here like you did, the "Goodies" would always go out and seek the bad stuff before they did anything bad and the bad stuff would want to go smote the goodies because they were in the way.
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This applies to objects, entities, and spells. In people, spirits, etc., they could choose their alignment. Items could have their charge changed(purified or corrupted). Spells would keep their charge for their duration, but the opposite charge would be able to cancel it.
You lost me here. xd
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finally, applying it to the creation thing. Joshs version basically implies this, but doesn't associate them.
Free magic: Neutral magical energy that exists. It is used to, well, perform acts of magic or whatever.
Free magic: Neutral magical energy that exists. It is used to, well, perform acts of magic or whatever.
No. If True would only come back and we could finish our plotting and some other things were cleared up for me then MAYBE I'd feel more comfortable letting other people be able to manipulate FM... Gah. You're not supposed to know that EITHER. gonk
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Destruction: Uses free magic for it's own purposes. Regarded as an evil force, and it's use of free magic is regarded as negative magic.
Creation: Uses free magic for its own purposes. Regarded as a good force, and it's use of free magic is considered positive magic.
Creation: Uses free magic for its own purposes. Regarded as a good force, and it's use of free magic is considered positive magic.
I already discussed my argument with these two categories. And why would they need a charge? Wouldn't our actions with our spells already classify them as Good, Neutral or Evil?
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Light, Fire, and Air: Elements born of creation. They use free magic directly, and can also use bits of positive and negative magic. Each spirit of this can choose for itself whether it will just use free magic, or side with one of the original spirits, making any of these capable of good or evil.
Dark, Water, Earth: Were created by Destruction to oppose Light, Fire, and Air. As they were made of opposing forces, they naturally counter each other, though they don't necessarily side with a force.
Dark, Water, Earth: Were created by Destruction to oppose Light, Fire, and Air. As they were made of opposing forces, they naturally counter each other, though they don't necessarily side with a force.
Just use free magic? What? In order to exist spirits pull off of free magic. They don't linger in it but they pull off of it. It's like food - if you eat a bit too much you get fat and eventually you die since your heart can't pump blood to everywhere in your massive bulbous body. But with FM, the spirits go nuts. They know that if they get too much of it that they will but if they're in a place where they can't avoid it or if they're just darn greedy they'll go bad. The same kind of insane bad that Darkness pulled in the creation story.
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The 6 elemental spirits: Most powerful of the spirits. They were born directly from the destroyed Creation and Destruction, originally having been the cores of the powers used by them to combat each other. They govern the elements of the world. Though half the powers naturally counter the other half, they all have their own freedom and intentions. They use Free magic for their own purposes.
They were born from Nothing and from nothing will they return. They ARE the elements of the world and they compliment each other in their own unique ways. If only one of them didn't exist then the balance would be broken and we're all screwed. World Tree? Balance screwed? Can I give ANYMORE blatant hints to the storyline that's supposed to have been kept secret!? stressed It was there to have made it more interesting for you guys. Not me. I know what's going to happen - and I'm THE only one that knows what's going to happen in it's entirety. I go to individual people and plot WITH them for a mere CHAPTER in WoG - not the entire thing.
THAT'S why I'm mostly irked right now.
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Other elemental spirits: The torn peices of creation and darkness followed the elementals, becoming elemental spirits. Though each peice could choose its own element, they still retained their properties of creation and darkness. They became negatively and positively aligned, (meaning that their are good and bad spirits of pretty much any element, though they can change(good or evilness) if they are properly convinced.), and fought among each other because of alignment, as well as element. As the 6 elementals fought, the peices of them that were torn off and fragmented became neutrally aligned spirits.
The Spirits that are on Gaia are just a piece of the whole big all powerful one - The Elemental Spirit. The 1 of the 6 that made Gaia and makes Gaia and IS Gaia. You can snag ANY of these elements and depending upon what you use it's power for, good or evil, that's what YOU are. Not what IT is.
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The items: Fearing that the same thing that created them could possibly happen to them(the destruction of each other), they created the elemental items, which would keep the elements in balance even if the spirits themselves did tear one another to peices. The elemental items carry no alignment but for that of their element, and as the 6 elementals are the single most powerful forces, they cannot be given another alignment of any type.
:: cries ::
No... Noooooooo Just no. I CAN'T say anything for fear of influencing people OOCly but just NO. A GM doesn't tell the entire storyline before to the people playing. And I'm not going to.
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Human based magic: Using the power of an elemental or elemental spirit by reciving power from them, or by using the power in themselves(like free magic, but contained in people) to manipulate spirits into making their spells. (or however Jello said magic was used. Basically calling on the power of an Elemental, or elemental spirit)
; _ ; The only Free Magic in people or the REMNANTS of it from their birth is their free will. There is no exception. It's like toxins, poison - you touch it it burns, kills, mutates, hurts. The only things that can take it away are the spirits. They're like trees in that aspect - they suck up all the FM and turn it into power that we can use for magic. They make it safe for us to even walk around.
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Alignment: There are the 6 elementals and the forces of Creation and Destruction. Aligining with an elemental is the most common. In addition, you can also be positively(creation) or negatively(destruction) aligned, which generally means that you either follow a lesser spirit of that alignment, or you manipulate the spirits in that way. Basically, you can be aligned with the light, Dark, Air, Earth, Water, or Fire elementals, or an elemental spirit (a "deity") with an + or - alignment(I.E. Fire + ) and an the name of the spirit you follow. (Light + is not a real alignment as all light positive ones follow the light elemental)
I think I covered that already.
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Generally, the spirits follow the elementals they are aligned with, though they may have opposing charges and fight amongst themselves (meaning that it is the user who decides whether they're going to use neutral or charged spirits to cast spells, though they generally frown on magic being used for destructive purposes all the time.), though in the case of the elementals, Light and Dark, they are the closest to their creators, and as such Light heavily favors the creation alignment and Dark tends to favor the Destruction(Meaning that spirits of light and darkness generally have positive and negative alignments, respectively, though its not impossible for them to have the opposite. You may fall out of favor of the elementals if you use the opposite alignment too much.)
Yes, it's the user who decides whatever they want to do with the elementals. In the same way that we're their tools (the elementals) they're ours. We can feed off their power and they can influence us with their will. It's comparable to how FM can influence the Elementals and the Elementals can influence FM. The symbols! THE SYMBOLS! xd
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The elementals are the most powerful, and making enemies of them is not good. As it has been said, even with good or bad alignments, all elemental spirits are aligned with an elemental. "Deities" that are not the elemental spirits usually follow them to an extent still, as those who are openly opposed to an elemental are usually dealt with before they can pose much of a threat.
Why would you go against the thing that GIVES you your power? There are lesser Elementals - Spirits bigger then the little ones that we can feed off of for magic - but unless they've got a good reason to go against something that they're APART OF - well then... It's like fighting a bit of yourself. Try to argue with yourself.
And Dieties - all I can think of are the Lesser Elementals. Every single bit of spirit has it's own free will courtesy of the FM that they use to survive. But they're all still apart of the 1 Elemental Spirit that they well.. are. A little light bauble is basically a tiny little cell of the gigantic omipowerfulness that IS the Light Elemental.
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Notes: Everytime I said "neutral, I meant aligned only with an elemental, and not with a force"
Charged means having a Creation(holy) or Destruction(evil) alignment.
Using evil or good powers is diferent from following a spirit or using powers for your own evil intentions.
Charged means having a Creation(holy) or Destruction(evil) alignment.
Using evil or good powers is diferent from following a spirit or using powers for your own evil intentions.
... If you're neutral you're just not fighting. Period. Conflict involves 2 or more parties. Physical conflict at least. Neutral is the 3rd party that's just walking the fine line between both parties, helping either or just being apathetic towards both of them.
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This is essentially what Josh said, but with my concept of holy and such explained. Marie follows a Dark + spirit(Nyx) and has positive dark abilities. (and is good.) This is pretty much the line of thought I had when I created Marie, applied to what has been said.
It's not like I said that it wasn't possible. :\
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The way Josh says it, it still seems like all the elemetal forces on one side are still predetermined to be bad. This way, the elements oppose each other, but none is particularly bad or good. The spirits and humans can fight on that level too.(good and evil, as well as elemental supremacy.)
ALL the elementals have penchant to do something sterotypical of thier power. Light brings hope and truth to things, darkness veils things to the world and plots in secrecy, water just runs by, fluid and ever-changing - changing accordingly to fit the situation, Earth is just there - more concerned about neutrality then anything else because it NEEDS a balance of light and dark to flourish and grow. Fire gives off light and is chaotic - it burns and destroys things but also gives things another chance at life from the ashes that give nutrients to the ground.
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My problem was as much with Dark being evil as light being automatically holy and capable of cleansing things. They retain their stereotypes to a point, but the users aren't held to them at all. As such, any element can have a holy force and an evil force. (Light can keep its super healing abilities, though holiness shouldn't apply to it alone)
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I never said - Well. I think this rant clears up why I was irked about the "amendment" to the creation story.
