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Should Hippies to drugs? |
No, it hurts their image, and then they can't convince people to love |
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no, they lose site of their goals |
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Yes, it enhances their sense of love and peace, then they can pass it on |
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:28 am
Soymilk_Gun Isnt it un-hippish to say what someone peopel should or shouldnt do? wasnt a big motto of the hippies and yippies "Do your own thing"...isnt it pretty darn pointless to even discuss wheter hippies as a whole should or shouldnt do drugs...its about being yourself dude. And as for myself, I love psychedellics. I can understand if others dont want drugs for themselves (I have many Straight Edge friends). They do their thing, I do my thing (so long as i harm no one). I'm with you on that. Live and let live...to an extent. I'm not going to let someone like my sister that clearly falls into category 1 die or anything by going too far. However, I don't think that is the premise of the original question. I think what he/she (i have no idea who started this) was getting at was can we still be effective lobbyists/activists and get ******** up all the time, or even if we can will people take us seriously?
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:24 pm
it's just how we are... we cook brownies... excellent brownies... I dunno, if it makes you happy it's all good.
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:57 pm
Jade Bagel I don't do drugs now, and doubt I ever will. Its just not something I want to get into, ya know? I'm happy without having to sniff a substance hehe. Yep, I'm with JB. I absolutely loathe feeling funky and not in my right mind. Breathing fresh air is my high. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:09 pm
headacheartist Soymilk_Gun Isnt it un-hippish to say what someone peopel should or shouldnt do? wasnt a big motto of the hippies and yippies "Do your own thing"...isnt it pretty darn pointless to even discuss wheter hippies as a whole should or shouldnt do drugs...its about being yourself dude. And as for myself, I love psychedellics. I can understand if others dont want drugs for themselves (I have many Straight Edge friends). They do their thing, I do my thing (so long as i harm no one). I'm with you on that. Live and let live...to an extent. I'm not going to let someone like my sister that clearly falls into category 1 die or anything by going too far. However, I don't think that is the premise of the original question. I think what he/she (i have no idea who started this) was getting at was can we still be effective lobbyists/activists and get ******** up all the time, or even if we can will people take us seriously? hippies originally were NOT activist and were kinda hostile to people like Abbie Hoffman and other "politicos"...hippies saw activism as pointless an prefered to tune in, turn on (turn off to reality), and drop out (more like cope out) later on there was a merging of the hippy and activist scene which became the Yippies...although Y.I.P (youth international party) never exsisted
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:52 pm
In moderation...all drugs aren't that bad.
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:06 am
TheArgus Due to current attitudes prevalent in the general population, it is hard to take someone seriously if the particular individual is stoned. It is a major obstacle for the legalization movement. If particular hippies want to stand up for the cause and be recognized, they ought to put the pipe down for a little bit... unless they are the type of people that find their public-speaking abilities enhanced by drugs. For many people, drugs are a way of life and a source of far-reaching inspiration. To decide whether this is a positive or a negative way of living depends entirely on the individual. Ideally, some hippies would be clearheaded while others journey deep within. There is as much merit in rational, structured thought as there is in random, dreamlike thought. The nagual and tonal of Castaneda, if you will. wink Having read Casenada (as well as Leary and The Electic Kool Aid Acid Test by Tom Wolfe) I just want to say that you are my hero. cool Although I am clean, I have had my time indulging in the finer points of the great intoxicants. I have chosen to be clear headed after taking a spiritual journey in order that I may find the balance beneath. However, I am still a supporter of NORML and I am a supporter of medical marajuana. (plus, I have been known to still indulge in the rare mushroom, on occassion. rofl )
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:05 pm
SteveZ The way I see it, If you do drugs, and then people disregard anything you say because of that, what you're doing is placing on your own happiness before theirs. In the end we all can't do what we want. I would just like to help as many people as I can, possibly at the expense of my own happiness. steve that's really nice.....the world should be more like you
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:11 pm
KrauseMouse The Wiccans among us will agree... "An it Harm None, Do as You Will." so true mouse so true
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:22 pm
in all honesty i don't think it's right......i'll never do drugs. energy highs are the way to go....waking up to fresh mountain air........breathing in wildflowers from a meadow...........taking a invigorating shower........thats what i'm about.....give me a bottle of lemon essencial oil and i'll show you what i mean
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:41 pm
dugs are just a a temporary thing... they give u that high for a moment and then its gone.... u shouldnt have to use them to get a high.... u should strive for knowing that u dont need them .... that u can enhance the experiance of life urself wihtout resorting to drugs
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:54 am
Since your question is "Should", I gotta say no. (Just to let you know, I drink and smoke grass occasionally, so this is just me speaking my ideals: I'm not claiming to be perfect cause I'm far from it.)
Nobody should do drugs. Drugs are ultimately unhealthy for us physically, mentally, and I have to say emotionally too. I dont think any drug or chemical that manipulates the brain and distorts state of mind can be healthy to the user.
The human mind is capable of unbelievable levels of thought without..."herbal assistance". Just look at Leonardo da Vinci, Einstein, science, art, physics, technology....human's are freakin smart.
And while drugs can and do force us to look at the world from a whole new angle, I can't think of any stroke of genious they've induced. (BTW, music doesn't count as genious.)
M1m
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:12 pm
Minus1muse Since your question is "Should", I gotta say no. (Just to let you know, I drink and smoke grass occasionally, so this is just me speaking my ideals: I'm not claiming to be perfect cause I'm far from it.) Nobody should do drugs. Drugs are ultimately unhealthy for us physically, mentally, and I have to say emotionally too. I dont think any drug or chemical that manipulates the brain and distorts state of mind can be healthy to the user. The human mind is capable of unbelievable levels of thought without..."herbal assistance". Just look at Leonardo da Vinci, Einstein, science, art, physics, technology....human's are freakin smart. And while drugs can and do force us to look at the world from a whole new angle, I can't think of any stroke of genious they've induced. (BTW, music doesn't count as genious.) M1m I don't think the point of doing drugs (for reasons other than to have a good time) is to be ultra beneficial to society. I think it's more about self discovery and expansion of where you can take your mind. Some are just not motivated or have the know-how to expand their minds. Thus drugs coming in for that sometimes. And besides, I think music is the biggest genius humanity knows of. Expression. There's also Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas and The Teachings of Don Juan. Good things can come from drugs. I think constructive things can come from drugs, but they're just not for everybody. As NOTHING in the world is. Drugs can also be dangerous if used too much and some people just don't have access enough to their wills to deny them over and over. So all of this is really a matter of who you're talking to. I, for one, have never used drugs and plan to never do so. I get enough exploration in myself and learning in the world.
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:47 pm
^ *Reply to Smithium's comments*
It's true, drugs can definately alter one's thinking and sometimes cause a lightbulb to strike over one's head. Constructive ideas can come from use, but rarely anything memorable or notable. When was the last time a drug user did something great for humanity, or did anything worth writing about in the history books? (Bush doesn't count...especially in the doing something great for humanity category...as I'm confident you hippies will agree)
As for music as genious: I lived heart and soul for music for 6 years; I studied as a young yet semi-professional musician and a student composer from high school into college. I've heard songs and musicians so beautiful I've gotten goosebumps...and the expression and inspirational power of music, I must now say, definately verges on genious...but still, I gotta say if someone's used drugs to counter their lack of inspiration, don't take it personally but that's just sad.
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:22 pm
"When was the last time a drug user did something great for humanity, or did anything worth writing about in the history books?" John F. Kennedy used amphetamines on a regular basis. Pythagoras and his followers routinely employed a blend of opium and marijuana products for various purposes. A pitiful few minutes at Google turned up the following: http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-famous-opiate-addicts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famous_deaths_through_alcoholhttp://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/articles/famous_users/index.htmhttp://www.slatts.fsworld.co.uk/famous.htmA theory has been promulgated, namely, that the evolution of modern humans, with our uniquely sophisticated capacity for thought, was influenced directly by routine ingestion of Psilocybe mushrooms. This is the one guild in which I try at all costs to maintain a peaceful vibe, but I honestly cannot believe that this question was voiced in this guild, of all places! Listen to what you're saying! I have used a wide array of drugs over many years and I have experienced no permanent damage to my cognitive powers or faculties of reasoning. The main reason why I don't use drugs (including alcohol) currently is fear of public censure, because my job requires me to do things which are often in the public eye. I mention this not because I feel drugs are the correct choice for everyone (I don't), but rather to suggest that attaching imaginary consequences to any action is insufferably foolish. Also, to condemn all drugs on the basis of the negative effects of a few does not make any sense. Drugs differ widely from one another in their mechanisms of action as well as their subjective effects. The only answer is to become educated about all drugs. http://www.erowid.orghttp://www.lycaeum.org
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:16 pm
Soymilk_Gun you left out the people who use psychedellics for self-exploration and concioussness expanding. There are alot of modern day shamans out there ^ I think this is bogus. Using drugs for "self-exploration" or to "expand one's concioussness" is using them as a crutch. "I'm not creative or intuitive enough, so I use drugs to widen my mind." Lot's of people use their religion in a similar way: "I can't face or solve this problem myself, so I'll pray for God to see it through for me." or the worst: "The devil made me do it." (Be responsible for your own actions and reactions.) Bullshit. Drugs aren't going to make you "wise" (There have been millions of pothead philosophers...how many are in the history books?) Read, study, explore the world that IS and you'll expand your mind and discover something new..."exploring your mind" will just send you in circles around all the information that's already in there.
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