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 Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:42 pm
Rose Nocturia Then the question isnt should it be a class it should be more of a question would it be allowed to be a class. Yes it would open up a variety of things but would the creater and the over seers want that happen? For me since i like to see the worse case sceneraio people would loose interst in the magic parts seeing how limiting it was. They would then move on to the psionics feeling they could do preety mutch Cause eartquakes shoot water and cast firebals all with the power of mind. THings there mages couldn't do and then if you were to say only a select few could be psyionic there would be an upheavel of unfairness. Ofcourse thats the wrost case scenario Earthquakes, Fireballs, and water shooting isn't, I REPEAT, ISN'T psionics. That is limited to each particular element. I can see Pyro-/Cryo-/Hydrokinesis being denied since they're technically elemental, but TK isn't elemental at all. Psionics is the shaping and focus of the energies that make you you. And is also not necessarily more or less limited than those who are open to magic. It's all in how the psionic idea is implemented. I've sent the form to Songjewel for approval, and i'm sure she's going to talk with Sey about it. I'm not trying to undermine anybody here. So, i apologize for starting this debate since i don't know if it's even gonna happen.
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:46 pm
Were simply trying to point out things that shouldn't be overlooked if they have been. If your able to move a cup with your mind wants detains you from moving a rock to create a landslide? Sure it wont be the same as Elementals but it can cause just as mutch havoc or even worse if done by the well trained mine. For example i could trick someones mind into thinking they are thirsty and that the bottle of poison that so happened to be there is water. You just killed a charachter with next to no effort.
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:48 pm
ZaineDraconis Were simply trying to point out things that shouldn't be overlooked if they have been. If your able to move a cup with your mind wants detains you from moving a rock to create a landslide? Sure it wont be the same as Elementals but it can cause just as mutch havoc or even worse if done by the well trained mine. So can a well trained Earth Mage, what's your point? EDIT: Hell so can a Air Mage. How can you say that psionics is dangerous for having that ability when other groups have it as well? Quote: For example i could trick someones mind into thinking they are thirsty and that the bottle of poison that so happened to be there is water. You just killed a charachter with next to no effort. Also brings up my previous point: Psionics doesn't have to encompass mental control since that is such a magnet for twinks.
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:50 pm
VTMarik ZaineDraconis Were simply trying to point out things that shouldn't be overlooked if they have been. If your able to move a cup with your mind wants detains you from moving a rock to create a landslide? Sure it wont be the same as Elementals but it can cause just as mutch havoc or even worse if done by the well trained mine. So can a well trained Earth Mage, what's your point? Quote: For example i could trick someones mind into thinking they are thirsty and that the bottle of poison that so happened to be there is water. You just killed a charachter with next to no effort. Also brings up my previous point: Psionics doesn't have to encompass mental control since that is such a magnet for twinks. Then what would psionics do? Read minds? Parlor tricks? Count my chickens? ((sorry if i seem rude just trying to lighten the debate up I think its getting a little to serious ^-^; wink )
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:54 pm
Rose Nocturia Nicholai Maxwell VTMarik Rose Nocturia Once again i revisit the issue of magic providing the answer >.> Like Tiel is doing with the carpenter Don't you think that it's needlessly limiting to have magic and only magic? I suggested the Psionicist class because A) Magic is cool and all, but shouldn't be the only answer and B) That psionics allow for a (possibly) much more dynamic system, depending on how it's implemented. Well, even thought it sounds cool, this RP is ruled by judgement, not a random machine that takes probabilities, so it could give a psionist/god modder unlimited power, if no one tries to oppose their judgement. So, I have to side with Rose on this. Now, when it comes to controlling non-humans, and even NPCs, I might agree with this a lot more. So, maybe that could be the catch. No player characters can be controlled. *shrugs* But then your treating npc like they are different from Pc's were not suppose to be different Just important individuals that make an influence someohw on an imaginary world o.o Well now, I think that NPCs, such as ones that are simple, like, persay, the carpenter's in Tiel's father's workshop, are something that you might be able to control to some extent, and NPCs are technically treated differently anyway. How often do you hold a conversation with an NPC, ask them to join your group, and then later battle against another one because your ideas coincide? Not too often from my experience. Also, I gave a shrug because it was suggestion. Don' get all up in mah garill. *snaps his fingers*
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:56 pm
ZaineDraconis Then what would psionics do? Read minds? Parlor tricks? Count my chickens? ((sorry if i seem rude just trying to lighten the debate up I think its getting a little to serious ^-^; wink ) "I'm not just any psionicist! I'm TURKEY VOLUME GUESSING PSIONICIST! Give me dimensions of a room, and I can tell you just how many frozen 14 lb turkeys can fit in there." The lightness is appreciated, as i think i was about to collapse. sweatdrop But there's things like Biophysical control (changing your own personal body's autonomic actions), telepathy (Speech over long distances) Clairaudience ("Remote Hearing"), Clairvoyance ("Remote Viewing"), Telelocation (Knowing a very general idea of where someone is. "Cold. Cold. Warm. Warmer. Disco"), and possibly passive truth sense ("He's lying, jump him!") Something like 'Spontaneous Creation of Matter' would be reserved for either a mutant or a god.
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:56 pm
Nicholai Maxwell Rose Nocturia Nicholai Maxwell VTMarik Rose Nocturia Once again i revisit the issue of magic providing the answer >.> Like Tiel is doing with the carpenter Don't you think that it's needlessly limiting to have magic and only magic? I suggested the Psionicist class because A) Magic is cool and all, but shouldn't be the only answer and B) That psionics allow for a (possibly) much more dynamic system, depending on how it's implemented. Well, even thought it sounds cool, this RP is ruled by judgement, not a random machine that takes probabilities, so it could give a psionist/god modder unlimited power, if no one tries to oppose their judgement. So, I have to side with Rose on this. Now, when it comes to controlling non-humans, and even NPCs, I might agree with this a lot more. So, maybe that could be the catch. No player characters can be controlled. *shrugs* But then your treating npc like they are different from Pc's were not suppose to be different Just important individuals that make an influence someohw on an imaginary world o.o Well now, I think that NPCs, such as ones that are simple, like, persay, the carpenter's in Tiel's father's workshop, are something that you might be able to control to some extent, and NPCs are technically treated differently anyway. How often do you hold a conversation with an NPC, ask them to join your group, and then later battle against another one because your ideas coincide? Not too often from my experience. Also, I gave a shrug because it was suggestion. Don' get all up in mah garill. *snaps his fingers* O yea well umm... *trys to think of a witty comment from schol* o thats right there nothing but morons -.- ummm uhh... your all up in the coolade and dont ever know the flavor! *snaps fingers three times and does the zorro*
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:59 pm
Do the Zorro! Doodeedoodoodootdoodeedoo!
*dances as if he's fencing and cutting off women's clothings*
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:59 pm
VTMarik ZaineDraconis Then what would psionics do? Read minds? Parlor tricks? Count my chickens? ((sorry if i seem rude just trying to lighten the debate up I think its getting a little to serious ^-^; wink ) "I'm not just any psionicist! I'm TURKEY VOLUME GUESSING PSIONICIST! Give me dimensions of a room, and I can tell you just how many frozen 14 lb turkeys can fit in there." The lightness is appreciated, as i think i was about to collapse. sweatdrop But there's things like Biophysical control (changing your own personal body's autonomic actions), telepathy (Speech over long distances) Clairaudience ("Remote Hearing"), Clairvoyance ("Remote Viewing"), Telelocation (Knowing a very general idea of where someone is. "Cold. Cold. Warm. Warmer. Disco"), and possibly passive truth sense ("He's lying, jump him!") Something like 'Spontaneous Creation of Matter' would be reserved for either a mutant or a god. All of wich i think our charachters already do.. i mean how many coincendental bumps can happen in one day Really @.@ Meh *shrugs* then i don't think it should be a class really more of a passed down trait through family lines. Classes were made with the battle system in mind. As mutch as it would be cool knowing that your enemy is about to kick your a** and not lying about i is not a helpful class @.@
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 7:00 pm
VTMarik Do the Zorro! Doodeedoodoodootdoodeedoo! *dances as if he's fencing and cutting off women's clothings* Hush you shall ruin my next Charachter!
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 7:09 pm
ZaineDraconis All of wich i think our charachters already do.. i mean how many coincendental bumps can happen in one day Really @.@ Meh *shrugs* then i don't think it should be a class really more of a passed down trait through family lines. Classes were made with the battle system in mind. As mutch as it would be cool knowing that your enemy is about to kick your a** and not lying about i is not a helpful class @.@ Well, depending on the teacher, it could be almost completely passive or just assist skills. When it comes to real attacking power (things like Telekinesis, Kinetic Bolts, or Psychic arrows) that's easy to deal with in the grand scale of things.
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 7:11 pm
VTMarik ZaineDraconis All of wich i think our charachters already do.. i mean how many coincendental bumps can happen in one day Really @.@ Meh *shrugs* then i don't think it should be a class really more of a passed down trait through family lines. Classes were made with the battle system in mind. As mutch as it would be cool knowing that your enemy is about to kick your a** and not lying about i is not a helpful class @.@ Well, depending on the teacher, it could be almost completely passive or just assist skills. When it comes to real attacking power (things like Telekinesis, Kinetic Bolts, or Psychic arrows) that's easy to deal with in the grand scale of things. Meh id have to see what you submitted i guess to really talk about the class idea
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 7:13 pm
ZaineDraconis Hush you shall ruin my next Charachter! I don't think i'm the one that did that Zaine. *smiles at his semi-giveaway*
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 7:18 pm
VTMarik ZaineDraconis Hush you shall ruin my next Charachter! I don't think i'm the one that did that Zaine. *smiles at his semi-giveaway* I proably wont get around to makin him though Hes going to be a Zorro like person except he became a rundown bum because of his weakness for women. So now he lives the life of a dirty old beggar and pervert not having learned his lesson about women >.>
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 7:19 pm
ZaineDraconis I proably wont get around to makin him though Hes going to be a Zorro like person except he became a rundown bum because of his weakness for women. So now he lives the life of a dirty old beggar and pervert not having learned his lesson about women >.> So he's a slightly more graceful Master Roshi?
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