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 Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:24 pm
Thank you Cal and Necro, Our first few games were plagued by this issue.
EDIT: redundant speech pattern.
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:15 am
Since a barrage weapon ignores line of sight, do the things its shooting at still get a cover save if there is something between the weapon and the thing its shooting at?
Also, is the demolisher Cannon on the Vindicator a barrage weapon or not? Because on the Vindicator Page in the codex, it doesnt say it is, but in the summary, it lists all of my ordnance as barrage. It does the same thing in the CSM codex as well.
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:42 am
billsabob Since a barrage weapon ignores line of sight, do the things its shooting at still get a cover save if there is something between the weapon and the thing its shooting at? Also, is the demolisher Cannon on the Vindicator a barrage weapon or not? Because on the Vindicator Page in the codex, it doesnt say it is, but in the summary, it lists all of my ordnance as barrage. It does the same thing in the CSM codex as well. No and No 1: they would only get cover if they were in cover. Because ignore LOS it would also ignore linear cover. 2: That barrage thing has gotta be a typo. Unless barrage is totally different in 5ed then it was in 4ed because barrage only concerned multiple shots when in a group like IG motar teams
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:03 pm
barrage now replaced guess as there is no more guessing. mortars are referred as to multiple barrages. and barrage demolisher in a summary is a typo since main unit entry doesn't have it - probably cut'n'paste from previous ordnance entries in the summary
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:01 pm
Mat 2: That barrage thing has gotta be a typo. Unless barrage is totally different in 5ed then it was in 4ed because barrage only concerned multiple shots when in a group like IG motar teams Or is a piece of single artillery that can shoot up/over, ignore cover, AND always hit on side armor!
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:38 pm
billsabob Since a barrage weapon ignores line of sight, do the things its shooting at still get a cover save if there is something between the weapon and the thing its shooting at? Also, is the demolisher Cannon on the Vindicator a barrage weapon or not? Because on the Vindicator Page in the codex, it doesnt say it is, but in the summary, it lists all of my ordnance as barrage. It does the same thing in the CSM codex as well. Barrage Weapons check for cover from the center hole of the blast, so if there's a second wall behind the unit, or if the unit is standing in cover, they will get a cover save. However, they won't if they're standing behind a forest, rather than in it. As for the Demolisher, I haven't really read through the new SM and CSM codexes. How is it noted that it is a barrage weapon? If the unit entry does not mention that the weapons are barrage but the summary does, I'll side with the idea that they do not have it. Summaries tend to be rife with errors.
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Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:12 am
It's a typo, it would seem that GW is becoming more like FW.
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Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:48 am
GW's getting lazy nowdays... they copy-paste alot, they don't change rules from 4th to 5th edition so that rules are clear (talking about WAAAGH! and other stuff here), heck, they even did some copy-paste in the rulebook which wasn't intended!
And they never proof-read codexes before releasing them, I remember after peeking at the ork codex PDF for rule-testing which a friend of mine had -cough- and it didn't change a single word... AND THERE WAS SO MANY FLAWS IN IT! >_o
I don't know if there's problems with Marines or the comming Imperial Guard Codex though.
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Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:32 am
The Imperial Guard codex has loopholes and poor wording, not just errors. It also has a lot of questions that need to be FAQ'ed or PROPERLY clarified.
For example: if I take two Fleet Officers / Astropaths (one per command squad) are their effects stacked or can I only use one?
Which units can be issued orders? Is the Hellgun a lasgun now due to a new name?
How many weapons can a Russ with the Lumbering Behemoth rule actually fire on the move?
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Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:05 am
I've seen officer trying to give orders to Inquisitors and Grey Knights already... it's like stormtrooper captain ordering Vader around!
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Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:49 am
So my officer can order Ogryn, Ratlings and storm troopers alongside the normal array of infantry? Denying the enemy cover saves when fired upon by Ratlings is a nice prospect.
Damn nice.
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Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:30 pm
I need to get my hand on the guard dex and see this for myself... >_o
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 12:14 pm
If a Chapter Master takes a bike, can the Honour Guard squad aswell?
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 12:17 pm
Jason Da Psycho If a Chapter Master takes a bike, can the Honour Guard squad aswell?
Unless listed as a choice in their profile, no.
And that might be more of a Marine question.
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 12:23 pm
Just as something that you guys might not have seen previously.
Page 75, main rulebook. If a Fearless character joins a non-Fearless unit, the character loses the Fearless USR until he leaves the group. However, if a non-Fearless character joins a Fearless unit, the character gains the use of the Fearless USR.
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