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No one has the right to do what is wrong.

The Fetus is a human devoid of any wrong doing. In our scociaty it is wrong to unjustly terminate the life of another human being. What happend was the murder of a human child. That is no lie.

The lies in yoru signatures are as follow. Top signature, the implication that we wish to take away women's rights. (unjistified termination of an inocent human life is in no way a right)

In the bottom, the implication that we want to subjicate woman and force them to care for a child they do not want.

Those are lies.

How do you guys even know this chick really had an abortion. I mean don't you think its possible she made it up just to piss us all off? I wasn't around when this was all going on but from what I can make of it those aren't the actions of a woman about to have an abortion at all. I have known people who have had abortions and they are usually very reluctant to admit it and tell very few people if anyone before it takes place and the last thing they are going to do is name it! I read somewhere that they went out to taco bell afterwards? Well I have had a D&C and I was in agony! I wasn't going anywhere afterwards. Besides the cramps that ahd me doubling over in pain I was bleeding heavily. And the pain drugs they give you make you sick to your stomach so the last place I would have gone was to taco bell let alone have an eating contest. Come on you guys, you are smarter than this! People on the internet lie all the time and choicers are always trying to piss us off. By mourning this baby that we don't even know existed it is doing exactly what they wanted us to do. How about instead you have a siggy to memoralize all the pre-born children who have died whether it be by abortion, miscarriage, or an act of violence against a pregnant woman?

Some of us have. The last part of mine is directed broadly.

Anyways, I seriously doubt that this is the "desired affect." I mean, most of the Pro-Choicers got all pissed off at us for making these signatures. Even if she is lying, so what? I'm sure somewhere, there was a Keeran who was aborted. And even if there wasn't, then my mourning someone who doesn't exist doesn't hurt me any. And it even helps me to sort of put a face to the victims. A name to the victims. For me, Keeran has become a symbol of abortion victims. So what does it matter if he was a physical being or not?

I personally still think that part of the reason for APP naming the baby was to piss us off. But not to make us put up memorials to the baby. I don't think she expected that at all.

Pyro: It looks to me like you are trying to read their intentions, and ignoring the fact that they do not, in fact, intend what you think they do. That's a big pet peeve of mine. I hate it when people do that to me, and I hate it when people do it to other people.

Why can't they just mean what they say? Why can't the statement, "In a world that would take it away from you" just be taken for what I believe it is: Poetic license. It flows better then, "You took your choice, in a world that debates whether you should or not."

Nowhere does it say anything about fascists. Nowhere does it say that we are trying to take away her -rights.- It just says we are trying to take away her -choice- and, on this matter, we are, in their opinion. In reality we are only trying to take away the legality of such a choice. But that is not the way they see it.

I think it's insulting, too. Mainly just because I feel as if they only did that to get back at us, because they think we were trying to guilt trip the mom. Now, I would never even attempt that that, because it would be like, in my opinion and as insulting as this sounds, trying to make a rock happy. Besides, what's done is done, I don't think it would really affect me if she regrets it, and it's the same if she were throwing a party. I'm just sad that she did it in the first place. I mean, they know that she's content with her choice, so I don't see why they'd make those signatures. I mean if you saw the thread where they were first introduced in the Pro-choice guild, you'll see she was pretty angry about what we were doing. So that's why I find it insulting, because in my eyes, it's like they're saying "Screw you all for caring about the unborn."

Edit: But still, I have to admit that there's no way I can proove that that's why they were made, and I think the only thing wrong with one of theirs like someone else said is that it invades privacy, even though it's probably not minded by the girl they're supporting, so it probably violates the ToS.

I can say wy they were. First, the first one for APP was made because they didn't want her to only see siggies talking about Keeran's death. So the one for her was constructed. Then for Bea's it was in order to try and show that pro-choice=/=pro-abortion like everyone seems to think. As I have stated in the main thread, pro-choicers would fight for adoption or birth if they were possibly going to be made illegal (at least I would).

We hadn't asked APP, correct, but when she came back on she was asked and did approve of it. Bea hasn't even heard of her's yet because she is in the hospital for the labor thing as far as I know. Here's hoping Rachel doesn't give her a hard pregnancy and is healthy.

Also hello to the person I don't know.

First of all, that wasn't directed to you. Lorysa had said that she couldn't prove WHY they were made so I was telling her why. I didn't quote her because if I remember, you don't like quote towers.

And also, as I stated before. You saying that we support the killing of children. If you are going to say we commit lies and slander I'm going to call you out on yours. Especially since you never addressed that the last few times I mentioned it.