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Aria Di Blasfemia Eterna
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:54 am


Natalia designed Much of the lightning clan's current war strategy (unless her father decided to deviate...in which case...oh well. she will probably be pissed and stage a cue against her father then. Unless other clan members get pissed...then she will defend her family.). Unless there's something I vastly don't understand, she's done her homework.

there is one thing that carries so little charge that it is a threat from my research. but i will tell you when it doesn't matter.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:07 am


I dont doubt that she has done her homework, but just remember. It is much more difficult for anything to naturally happen by something that an elemental has caused (minus some exclusions). Natural events are less likely to happen anytime an elemental is involved. Be wary of that. I know I have said this before (though only once or twice)

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:12 am


just remember that you have only seen one of her elemental's abilities, and that she is also an elemental user. she will eventually tread further into fiction as well. but not yet.

(also, if the ice is, as i expect, just her elemental and not ice formed from water, the charge in them is Natalia's own imaginings since it is assumed and not sensed. i intended that. she will sense the difference soon)
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:14 am


HA HA HA! Well. Last post needs a little fixing. Yours i mean.

A) He wasn't standing in water before he appeared behind you or at anytime when he was behind the rock. And I never said he was either.

B) The ice that is forming this ring is directly from his elemental. This ice is very limited but requires no water to form. That is why I said in the post that it was different. Though I didnt say the ring was as well so my apologies there. But yeah. This ring isn't made of water.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:17 am


you said there were massive rocks lining the shore. if they line the shore, and he is standing behind one with regards to natalia, then wouldn't he be in the water by virtue of those two facts?

unless i misunderstand you. though i have a fix prepared because i think that is the case.

i assumed as much about the ring. Natalia assumes your ice is worthless, because most of the ice users she has seen don't know that lightning can prevent riming.

but the ring is made of H2O i think.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:23 am


Lining the shore doesnt necessarily mean that they are right next to the water. It just means that they are scattered about all up and down the shoreline. And that usually is a large area inwards as well as the immediate shore.

Plus. If the case was that he would have to be in water to hide behind that rock, he wouldn't do it. He is fighting a lightning clan member. Water is a big no-no.

Incorrect. As I said, the ring is made of pure elemental energy. No H2O involved. Think of it more like his energy in a solid form. Its how his elemental works.

Just tell me when you are done with the edit.

And imagine. You are already forcing him into an Active State. (Active State: Elemental Ability Activated)

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:26 am


then is it really ice? or is that about to become ice later? either way, i edited, and my post has the same result without any of the accidental Mis-assumptions i had taken before.

really? you have yet to trigger Natalia's. (it does more than just the one attack you inspired.)[ty btw. that omni-directional paralysis was almost all inspired by your words, except the omni-directional part.]
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:28 am


Read above.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:30 am


i did. that was inspired by, and answering the above. there was no assumed water in my post regarding the circle. your body has been re-assumed normal, and uncharged.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:37 am


Okay. Well. Be warned. The more charge that you are actively using to sense me, then the more charge is under your control and the more energy you are draining yourself of. You using all this charge to sense me requires more energy then my layer of energy. (mainly because its a much larger area)

And the lightning that struck your blade and charged that water, how did that happen exactly?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:05 am


ground potential (no lightning struck it. this process cannot be seen until it contacts water. there is nothing in the sky. it is ongoing. the same double chamber claymore style as the lake fight.). the earth has many times the charge potential as the clouds. it is drawing it up. with assistance. also, she is not creating anything yet. much of the charge being created was done by you with your sending ice into the clouds. the sword is acting on the byproduct of the clouds being charged with minimal interference from Natalia. she isn't using lightning to do anything other than sense, and occasionally remove moisture . charge is just the potential to form electricity, so by building charge she is creating pockets of built up energy for large attacks later. all she is doing is knowing where these pockets are, and when the outside edges are broken. the energy being used here is just what it takes to fix the damage caused by a moving object through a charge zone boundaries. it's like zach knowing whether or not there are ice crystals somewhere. yes it would use a non-ignorable amount of energy, but i think it would not be as draining as you want it to be. yes, LIGHTNING cannot easily be held in place. just like ice is hard to suspend from the air. ice is easy to hold in place, and charge is easy to suspend in the air (it's impossible once it becomes lightning, it must move) charge imbalances happen naturally all the time. the only thing she is doing is stopping them from coming together, felling when they change, and helping her sword do something it does already without her help but much slower. yes, it would be draining, but she would not be at her limit with those things. removing moisture from the air would be hard at first, but once the main area is clear, she just has to not keep the charges apart as well on the edge with the water, and it will prevent more moisture from coming in in battle ready quantities without much maintenance.
charge occurs in pools. she only has to maintain the edges, and the center cannot discharge. it doesn't help that ice is one of the natural causes of lightning.

charge does not move on its own except to respond to other charges moving. thus it is easy to pool. when you move through it, she has to re-pool it, or it will discharge on its own. once pooled, it will sit.

if you note, there has not been a single attack against Zach. all the energy he has put into attacking was instead, for her, used to save up for later.

her power failing here would cause an effect. ice when left alone sits by its nature. charge pools when left alone discharge (otherwise known as form lightning) when left alone in nature. the only thing she is really doing, is preventing lightning that should occur, and spreading out what she does allow so that it doesn't cause a damaging effect.

those are my thoughts, though it is open to discussion.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:17 am


Im going to try and take what you said and merge it with the explanation to make it as understandable as possible.

A) Yeah. If any amount of energy has been expended from her, it is at most 5-10%.

B) You are keeping massively tiny particles apart in these pockets in order to prevent. When I suspend ice. I suspend a single (given much larger compared to charges) area in the air. You are suspending im guessing hundreds of thousands of charges in the air. That would take a massive amount of training. My ice needle trick I did, I couldn't hold those in the air for too long because it would be too taxing on the mental capabilities. Controlling all of these charge particles would be even worse. Three reasons why: You cant truly see them (with a naked eye), there is a ton of them, and you are trying to keep them apart and prevent them from actually forming true electricity. The mental strain from something like this would be ridiculous. It would be like trying to keep 1000 marbles from rolling off the top half of a massive sphere.

C) Remember that the natural effects of the world are only barely effected by our abilities. So say ice in the sky would normally create 100 charge. My ice would only create 10. This is done to prevent catastrophes from accidentally occuring by our powers.

Ice leaving my control would actually revert back to water at a very rapid rate.

Ive gotta get to bed. We shall finish this tomorrow (hopefully)

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:27 am


pool. everything about a pool is the same. all of those particles are negative, or positive but never both. with a single Electromagnetic force, none of them will move. you don't have to pay attention to them all. it takes one consistent force, each pool is one pool. not thousands of particles, because you don't have to pull them back one by one. you use a negative veil to repel them, and prevent them from sensing a positive partner. by moving through the veil, you break that veil, and it must be remade, but it doesn't require much...though new energy is expended each time a veil is broken, it is only enough to close a single hole. you are forgetting the electromagnetic response of electricity...i think that's silly. they are not marbles. you can make them all go east by putting either a really positive marble east, or by putting a really negative marble west. you only ever control that one marble. also, you can reabsorb that marble, since you never use the electricity from it, you only need it to exist for it to work. once you create the veil, you never need to reapply charge to it, just fix holes. a hole can only be caused by a conductive object with a different charge then the veil. it is a lot easier then you think it is, because you fail to think like a lightning user. given, most lightning users weren't taught the leader style of lightning, and don't use charge pools, but the physics behind it is sound. it really wouldn't use much energy. eliminating water vapor and moisture for ice, and drawing ground charge are the main sources of effort. but it would be less than 30%. holding the charge pools is at most 5%, even with their size and potency. this is no where near the lake level though.

i think you are overdoing the "these are not real elements bit" ((you argue that i am under doing it...but where is the line?)). i like their properties. i think they should retain them. otherwise we aren't manipulating ice and lightning, but rather hard cold stuff, and shocky marble piles.

if said ice were to be rocket propelled in real life you would have one mega lightning, and it'd be over. no earth shattering kaboom, but a really large, positive lightning strike in one place. you wouldn't need to limit the element to abnormal properties, but teach students not to carelessly throw it up there. besides, positive lightning rarely falls right below where it is formed. IIn nature it tends to cloud jump, then become a "bolt from the blue" where no one expects it. it could make a good training scene somewhere later if you ever write on ice clan training. (there is another way, but since you didn't think of it, i don't want it effecting the fight.[selfish B^stard aren't i...it'd be a LOT of editing for me.])

anyways, i realize it's 5:30 for you...that makes me really sad, but you should sleep. have a great night, sleep well, dream well, wake rested.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 6:55 am


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wow nice back and forth. I likely will go and read though it more in detail later on. I have to agree with aria on one point elemental users skills will retain natural properties of the elements they are using. Not all obviously but they will retain a good amount of them. The element can be enhanced in different ways but lighting still behaves like lighting and ice still behaves like ice fire still behaves like fire. All this is just for the most part since the ones who are controlling elements can use them in unnatural ways but the element itself still functions rather naturally unless otherwise stated. That is my word on it.

Alright there you go. Once a few students arrive in the assembly hall I will start posting the stuff from the headmistresses.




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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:32 am


Meh. Its hard for me to explain without my cheat sheet handy (lost it somewhere) but oh well. We will just go with that for the time being. Now to continue our enjoyment.
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