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 Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:11 am
::Tyr would sit up slightly looking at Thanatos as he posed the question and would think a moment before opening his mouth seeing as he wasn't sure what about Plasma Thanatos wanted to know::
Well... in a simply way of thinking one could say if a material's vapor form, it taking the form of air is it's excited form... then one could imply from such that Plasma is the super-excited form of matter... if you want a bit more of what I know... well let me give you a brief rundown.
::He would take a slight breath taking care before continuing on to what might be more useful to Thanatos and a bit less to the others::
Plasmas are conductive assemblies of charged particles, neutrals and fields that exhibit collective effects. Further, plasmas carry electrical currents and generate magnetic fields. Plasmas are the most common form of matter, comprising more than 99% of the visible universe, and permeate the solar system, interstellar and intergalactic environments.
Plasmas are radically multiscale unlike other states of matter, and they are multiscale in two senses...
First, most plasma systems involve electro-dynamic coupling across micro, meso, and macroscale and second that plasma systems occur over most of the physically possible ranges in space, energy and density scales.
Plasmatic Gasses for instance are completly ionized... but in essence for this to take place the temperature must be pretty high so far as we would be concerned... Say one hundred thousand degress Celcius.
::He would now take a moment to pause and let what he had said set in and allow Thanatos to futher narrow down what information he was looking for::
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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:07 pm
Well, maybe he should have thought this one out a bit more.
While he was now inside the barrier, he had another problem.
<_<
He didn't know how to get back to reality. The solid parts of his body that he had used as an anchor to bring the rest of himself back earlier weren't connected now, he was detached from the rest of the world. And for the life of him he couldn't seem to find a way back. It would take some time to figure it out.
Oh it was great fun here, he could glide around and look at things. But nothing was distinct, no details, all together unsatisfying to tell the truth. He could make out row upon row upon row of huge buildings, marching across a city in some unidentifiable shiny color. But the distances were odd. What looked to be several blocks away could be no more than a few steps, and what seemed to be less than a single block would take him four. It was all very random, very strange, and no small bit disconcerting. Still, he didn't have to walk per se, so it was a bit easier to navigate.
Only one thing was readily evident in this pale world, at the center of the city was a structure bigger than all the rest. He figured that was a good enough place to begin.
Cole heads towards the Citadel itself, ghostily.
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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:31 pm
*Than chuckled at Tyr's explanation* ^^ Very nicely done; it's even more than I needed. The main thing I was getting at here was that plasma is ionized, which why it can carry electrical currents and is thusly affected by magnets. *He continued to address the whole table* I believe that the ones using this kind of weaponry on us must build up and contain it in some kind of powerful but compact magnetic field; and it's in such a way that they can focus the plasma into a beam. Therefore, I believe we can counter that kind of weaponry with magnetic fields of our own.
You want to put up a magnetic field around the citadel?
Than: Hai. I think a highly positively charged magnetic field could deflect the plasma away from the citadel, essentially bend the beams into a different direction.
I understand
Sho: That sounds a little too easy....
Than: You'd be right, ojisan. *He sighed* I don't think it would be easy, nor very safe to set up a permanent field around the citadel for several reasons. One, I have no guarantee how it would affect our own lasers if at all. Secondly, I know for a fact that such a magnetic field would have significant effects on accuracy of the solid shell weapons our droids use. The metal of bullets, missles, and other ammunition would be invariably affected by the fields. More so, if our droids aren't coated with some kind of magnetic resistant plates or coating, they could be affected as well. In retrospect, the same would go for the enemy.
A double edged sword....
Than: *He nodded* That would be pretty accurate.... it would stop the enemy in many ways, but possibly us in just as many ways.
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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:55 pm
...What about copper or aluminum?
*The statment at first would seem detached and out of nowhere, but to those paying attention, they would see Nana's statment was directed at protecting the citadel drones. It was a viable idea, and as these were common and weaker materials, they would be easy to find. Not to mention in a human city like this, there had to be a great deal of the substances. They were afterall things used in the daily lives of many people, so why not the ones that used to live in the citadel? Soda cans, barbells, loose change, wires, the supply should be ample*
...Both are non-magnetic. Common elements... They could be used as shielding couldn't they? In a place like this that once housed a human population, such materials would be used in their daily lives. How thick a shell or layering we would need, would depend on what we were trying to protect. That could help solve at leaset some of the problem.... right?
*These explinations and large words flying back and forth across the table made the children dizzy. Just what was everyone talking about? They didn't understand. Well, if anything at least they could watch Thanatos and make sure he was ok*
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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:15 pm
::Tyrsais would chuckle slightly at the idea of having the robots encased in such materials he would get up from his seat and look directly at Alpha Zenogais::
Zeno... how much do you weigh?
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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:37 pm
*Than blinked at the question* >>? *Than listened and thought for a moment* Hmm... using non-magnetic coating to shield from magnetic fields? It sounds possible but I don't know >> Well I think we could produce copper coats for the droids easily enough, the question is the amount. The second problem would be how much weight it would add to them.
Coating the droids and finding the material would be no problem. However, it might not overcome the issue. The droids can move far enough away from the magnetic field to be unaffected, the main problem is ammunition. Coating those would reduce effectiveness. However, it may not be necessary to give them a coating at all. I doubt that this magnetic field would need to be on indefinitely. As you said, it seems to be solely purposed on repelling plasma based attacks.
That's also true..... but to activate a citadel wide field would take some time when activating it, so we would either need to know where the attack was coming from or know well in advance that it was going to happen.
Proto: *Some odd beeps would come from the droid. If one looked, they would find the prototype surrounded by about a dozen holographic screens and Proto switching madly among them, obviously towards some purpose*
*Than looked to proto, and acted as translator* >> Anno...... Proto says he has an idea, and it'll take him a few moments to make a program for it.
*So then, an idea was coming from an unlikely place*
Zeno: *to Tyr's question, Zeno just raised a brow* neutral stare 173.59323990845766927498657 kilograms...... give or take one times ten to the negative twenty-three kilograms *He was being sarcastic about it, obviously* Why?
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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:53 pm
He was getting the hang of this, that was for sure.
Gliding serenely across the landscape, Cole begins to appreciate the beauty of this world. Despite it paleness, it didn't truly lack color. Everything was simply very subdued and calming. The odd smoky effect was dangerous in the slightest, and once you got used to it it was really quite an interesting effect. It seemed to be quickly fading images of what could happen to something, he could just watch the same object for a while and seen what could happen to it. He was even started to be able to see how likely those things happening were. It was extremely interesting.
And to fly!
Cole does a serious of loops for the sheer joy of it, feeling the ethereal wind slide around him. Truly, to fly was a blessing of untold magnitude. All in all this place was astonishing, a whole other world to explore and learn about, he really didn't need to go back at all...
That brought him back with a jolt. As interesting as this place was he did NOT want to stay here. He already had questions to answer, questions posed by the images in his head that simply wouldn't go away. He needed to address those before he started on anything else.
He looks around, still seeing the beauty but seeing the downsides now too.
This world was a pale reflection, as if nothing could ever happen on its own here. And it was quiet too, as if nothing lived. As quiet as the grave...
Eeeeeeeeek, maybe this was what it was like to be dead. >_<
Yeah, it was time to become solid again. >_> Right, bloody, now.
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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:11 pm
::Tyr looked at Thanatos and to Nana and shook his head slightly, he agreed that so far the idea didn't seem that feasible but it might work as a building block for other ideas::
I'm thinking it would be a waste of the optimized systems to add so much weight as in rare earth metals to a chasis... Maybe a mesh of sorts running back to a capicitor so the eletric energy in the air as well as any created by the local magnetic field would charge your batteries rather then fry you... However it wouldn't work in its center of such a strong magnetic field I'm sure.
In essence I was thinking what Thanatos was...
::He woud return to his seat.::
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:13 pm
*Nana would sit back again. It seemed though the ideas at first were helpful, inevitably they were unusable for one reason or another. It made her wonder if she should bring up one of her ideas later on. Trying to contribute so far, hadn't got her very far. Perhaps she would just sit back and be quiet for a while. The areas in which were being disscussed were not her expertice anyhow. It did make her feel rather useless, something she was trying to rectify but so far--*
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:22 pm
*It would be a full minute before Proto completed his work and a new hologram came up on the main projector. The image would first display the entire citadel, before zooming in on an area just outside of where the barrier would be. Several long posts would rise up from the ground in a pattern and before long a ray of some kind moved towards them. When it neared the posts, the ray would bend and then curve away from one pillar, towards another, and then away from that one: it was weaving "around" the pillars. The display would repeat several times with varying angles and number of rays. Proto beeped something the entire time, and Thanatos translated, intently looking at the display* Each of these pillars holds a high voltage electrical generator. The pillars each generate one field which interacts with the others. The ray.... *Than re-examined the word ray, and decided to use line so that the children knew what he was talking about* The line going between them represents an ionized beam, like a plasma beam. One field turns the beam away, and together the pillars can succesfully divert beams away. Instead of having one big field, lots of smaller ones create different curves for the beams to follow. In theory, if we were attacked from multiple sides, we could even redirect beams back at their forces. Hmm......
Slayer: Wouldn't these pillars have to be tall enough to cover the citadel?
Than: Possibly. One pillar could be very tall and have several generators at varying heights.
Sho: Then if these pillars are so tall and produce such powerful fields, wouldn't they rip eachother up? I mean.... If they all have the same charge field then they'll push eachother away >> Too much power and they'd knock eachother over.
Than: Anno..... *Than thought for a moment, when he was addressed by Proto. Than blinked* We already have the answer to that? >>..... ! o.o *Than had an epiphany* Oh! So desu! >< *He shook his head and laughed lightly, confusing some people. For a moment, Than looked to Nana and then back to the holgraphic display* We cover them in lots of copper.....
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:37 pm
Hmm.... but that might inhibit their ability to even produce a field wouldn't it? The energy they create to make a field would be shielded under the copper, and wouldn't even be able to get through their own protective casings. Unless it was the generators themselves that were shielded. Then perhaps... maybe--
*Nana had began doubting herself from before. She didn't know if she could help or add to anything at all for now. Though if the generators themselves were shielded, at least they wouldn't sucome to their own design by destroying eachother, or as Sho had put it "knocking eachother over". A few lines on copper at the base, top, and perhaps a netting or mesh of some sort as Tyrsais had suggested, would be better suited to the pillars than to the droids. Then they would remain in place without pushing eachother over, or so it would be hoped. The children would follow as best they could, but the majority of it went over their heads*
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:35 pm
Well that's sort of it, but we can work around that. Proto.... *Before he even said anything, Proto zoomed in on a display of just one of the pillars* ^^;; Why do I even bother to ask..... I'm on step one and he's on step two. Anyway.... look at this. *The pillar was divided into opaque segments and faded sections* The solid parts are just pillar and mechanics; the faded parts are where the field generators would be. The problem originally would be the fields pushing away the solids parts, but if those are sufficiently coated, though there would still be some repulsion between generators, there wouldn't be enough effect to topple one of them. The copper shielded parts would prevent enough interaction to shield the pillars, while the area between them would still have a full field to deflect plasma fire. ^^ So really, coating them with copper like this would work perfectly.
Zeno: I thought we were talking about adding too much weight with all that copper.
Than: On the drones, yes. But these pillars would be meant to remain deployed for the entire length of a battle. More weight might actually be more effective, since they would then be harder to affect. ^^ Since Copper is also a really good conductor of heat and electricity, it could rather nicely boost their edurance. *As was, it sounded like copper would be an ideal shielding for these pillars*
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:49 pm
*The copper coatings would need to be cleaned every now and again to prevent corrosion, but that was easy to take care of right? At least things were starting to look up a little. Hopefully no more faults would immediately be found. If not then it would be a plan to consider, and the next idea could be tabled and discussed. So, maybe one of Nana's ideas wouldn't completely go to waste, Proto had made good use of her idea about copper coatings*
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:13 am
There we go! That's the ticket...
It seemed there was a silver cord of some sort connected too him. >_> Odd that he hadn't noticed it before. Somehow, it was connecting him to the real world...
He gently tugged on the cord with his mind, feeling himself realize rapidly. But he stops, looking up.
This building was intimidating, he didn't want to be stopped now by more barriers or worse, locked doors. This form had its uses, and he didn't think he'd be able to get it back right away if he needed it. The barrier outside had been his focus afterall. And he knew how to get back now if he found something interesting.
It was decided, Cole makes his enterance into the Citadel as quietly as a ghost.
((Play me a song TJ, what is Cole seeing?))
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:00 pm
::Tyrsais would sit at the table tapping his fingers softly against it. He was obviously thinking about some things, but for now thought it best to let them finish a train of thought before bringing up anything else. Though he nodded slightly to Proto::
Your idea seems fesible enough... Implementation would be the next obvious step.
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