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 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:07 pm
Kaporie wow... to think i started it.
well i suppose i can try and defend my bad grammar, but it hasn't helped in the past and i'm sure it won't now ^_^ so what's the point. Maybe instead of defending it, you should try fixing it? Sometimes that works. It's astounding what people will do when you make an effort.
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:10 pm
wow, if only u knew. stare
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:12 pm
Kaporie wow, if only u knew. stare Unless your dyslexic or retarded, I don't think there's much excuse. If that's the case, I'm sorry. However, that doesn't mean you're not capable of overcoming it. Shatter some expectations.
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:14 pm
and i'm still learning those tricks to help me deal with it. sOo its pritty hard... and stuff.
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:15 pm
Kaporie and i'm still learning those tricks to help me deal with it. sOo its pretty hard... and stuff. Complete sentences would be a good start. What tricks are you learning? To deal with what?
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:07 am
I know it's in the rules Vague but exactly who are those rules benefitting? I'm not defending Kapo's bad grammar but some people get mad when people use "U" in place of you and "^"in place of up. I just think banning someone because of bad grammar or spelling is LITTLE excesive. I mean I personally don't give a sh*t if he mispells whatever. I really don't understand why everyone must correct everyone, it's one thing if they're speaking a different language, but I'm sure you're making Kapo feel badly when all he wants to do is post. I'm not horribly upset but I don't understand why everyone must speak in complete sentences, perfect spelling and eloquent grammar. So someone please explain to me why everyone must speak properly and in proper english form, and even why when they don't why does someone have to correct them?
So I lik. donnt get why evereeone/. has to get soooooo out of stuff.,, , who wants to run their little blue bold font all over that one?
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:24 am
SeraphiceAngel I know it's in the rules Vague but exactly who are those rules benefitting? Anyone who thinks understanding conversation in the guild shouldn't be a chore. SeraphiceAngel I'm not defending Kapo's bad grammar but some people get mad when people use "U" in place of you and "^"in place of up. I just think banning someone because of bad grammar or spelling is LITTLE excesive. On the other hand, Kapo's bad English is more than a *little* excessive. SeraphiceAngel I mean I personally don't give a sh*t if he mispells whatever. I really don't understand why everyone must correct everyone, it's one thing if they're speaking a different language, but I'm sure you're making Kapo feel badly when all he wants to do is post. I'm not horribly upset but I don't understand why everyone must speak in complete sentences, perfect spelling and eloquent grammar. So someone please explain to me why everyone must speak properly and in proper english form, and even why when they don't why does someone have to correct them? When have I ever said, or enforced the rule as if, everyone had to be perfect? Much of the English used in here is casual, but quite acceptable. There's a big difference between casual and dreadful. To be blunt, Kaporie's writing ranges from semi- to fully unintelligible, and it's wearing my patience quite thin. I( among others) have tried asking nicely, tried supplying correct spelling in hopes that he would learn. But nothing changes. I don't require perfect English. But the rules require at least an effort, and I see no evidence of an effort on his part. If he has a legitimate reason for typing so poorly in the guild, when his education and intellect seem to be sufficient for him to do better, he should tell us. He ought to know by now that whatever it might be, he doesn't need to be ashamed. If it's private, he could even send me a message on AIM. If he doesn't give me a reason or show SOME kind of effort to improve, I will enforce this rule as I enforce any other. If I don't, then there's no point in having rules, the crew might as well do whatever we damn well please.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:04 am
TuffGhost So? That doesn't make it okay. I certainly wouldn't say that makes it ethically wrong.Jovo Actually, that's not really so much a rule as a suggestion. My favorite retort to someone telling me that I can't end my sentences in a preposition is, "That is something up with which I will not put!" TuffGhost If you said that to me, I would have to ask you to repeat it. Generally speaking, the purpose of language (at least in a conversational setting) is to express yourself clearly and make your point understood. That is also the point in written language. The point of the statement above is to show that prepositions sometimes must end a sentence, or you will not be understood. The statement above would sound better if its syntax was such: "That is something that I will not put up with." You end with two prepositions instead of one, and it sounds better. TuffGhost Dude, that sounds like rationalized bullshit to me. It may, but that is because you're still not grasping the larger significance of all of this. If you think about what we are doing, together, then maybe you'll start to think about what should follow. TuffGhost Can you honestly say that you think he knows what you're saying about him? If so, why do you make such a concerted effort to use elaborate (even moreso than usual) words and sentence structure? Because I am deliberately trying to hide them, but he has surprised me before, and he will certainly surprise me again. TuffGhost I took your criticisms as graciously as I take anything. That you did. rofl
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:18 am
Vague Anyone who thinks understanding conversation in the guild shouldn't be a chore. Kapo doesn't understand what we say a lot of the time. How, then, do we decide who should understand what we say and who shouldn't? Shall we make a new rule to ease this problem? Quote: No member of the Gay Guild will use words containing more than four syllables. Or perhaps: Quote: No member of the Gay Guild will use idioms or colloquial words that are exclusive to a region smaller than 100 square kilometers. How about: Quote: No member of the Gay Guild will use words that could not conceivably be understood by 90% of the people of the United States. That would get rid of all those British words that no one should be speaking anyway. It'll also finally obliterate words like "obfuscate" or "err" or "emend," which are short but no one really understands. Hell, it may force me to stop posting altogether because I can barely communicate without them. But I guess I can give it a shot... It can't be too hard to talk like normal peeps, right?? I said "peeps" cause "people" means "everyone", and I'm talking about a special group of people. Maybe this way we can all get what we are saying on here you know? smile I feel dirty. I just used the word "get" to mean "understand." crying
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:39 am
TuffGhost Kaporie and i'm still learning those tricks to help me deal with it. sOo its pretty hard... and stuff. Complete sentences would be a good start. What tricks are you learning? To deal with what? Every sentence in his post just now was complete. A complete sentence has a subject, a verb, and an object. First sentence: and i'm still learning those tricks to help me deal with it.Subject: i Verb: am (form of "to be") Object: learning...tricks Second sentence: sOo its pretty hard...Subject: it Verb: is (form of "to be") Object: hard Fragment: and stuff.Reason: Stylistic. Denotation: Ellipsis. Even when the sentences are not complete, I have no problem understanding them. My only issue with him is his utter cuteness, which often sends chills down my spine. At no time have I had any more of a problem understanding him than I have had understanding Astri, Jack, Keithing, or anyone else here (with exception to Vague and Crafty, who are both exceptionally literate). The three I mentioned are literate enough that they can use higher language without negatively affecting the meaning of their words. Kaporie, in contrast, uses such simple language that the words are very easy to recognize and his meaning generally easy to digest. When it isn't, he can be asked, and he has always made every effort to clarify. Often, his lack of clarity comes from his inexperience with the language (he is a foreigner), but he has shown a marked willingness to better himself. To ban him would be detrimental to him, and a blow to everyone here who believes, as I do, that he adds something very pleasant to the guild. There are people here, who have posted on this very page, that use higher language poorly, probably because they think they have to in order for us to find them deserving of any modicum of respect, and thus confuse their meaning. Montigo used to do this, and it made his high-flown rhetoric very difficult to sift through. These are the people who we should attack first, if we are to attack anyone at all, on the subject of making posts less difficult to understand. Get rid of those people first, and I'll join you in condemning Kaporie for his atrocities against our sacred language.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:46 am
Ko, Jovo... I'm not going through and quoting everything because now you're being ridiculous. Seriously. Your suggestion about rules is comparable to the "if we let gays marry then surely the ***** and beastiality types will come next" arguement. I never had any intention of forcing Kaporie to type like an english major. I say "get" instead of understand most of the time. I say "Ko" instead of "Okay". I say "hawt" when I'm not referring to temperature. I never wanted to imply that he should write with perfect grammar and I figured that would be obvious. I just wanted him to put forth some effort, WHICH HE SEEMED TO BE DOING right up until you started giving him an excuse not to. Jovo It may, but that is because you're still not grasping the larger significance of all of this. If you think about what we are doing, together, then maybe you'll start to think about what should follow. I really have no idea what you mean. Here's how I see the situation. Kaporie does something that gets on everyone's nerves but no one will do anything about it. I start doing something, he doesn't react badly, but still you're mad at me. So, from my angle, this argument has nothing to do with Kaporie at all. I really have no idea what it IS about in that case, so I'm going to keep arguing the only point I see. Jovo Because I am deliberately trying to hide them, but he has surprised me before, and he will certainly surprise me again. Again, that sounds like rationalized bullshit. You're not acting like his friend, you're acting like you're above him. You're throwing a ball to him and laughing when he doesn't catch it. But, you'll still pet him and give him treats and let him know that he's been a good puppy just so he remembers that you really do care. Bullshit. If you really cared about his feelings at all you'd give him at least a smidgen of respect. You preach about self improvement and s**t like that, Jovo. To defend Kaporie's stagnation is to make yourself a hypocrite.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:49 am
TuffGhost I really have no idea what you mean. I know you don't. *sigh* I won't mention it again. Kapo, when will you be on AIM again? You promised! wink
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:51 am
JoVo TuffGhost I really have no idea what you mean. I know you don't. *sigh* I won't mention it again. Kapo, when will you be on AIM again? You promised! wink What the ********, Jovo? This isn't Star Wars, so why do you feel the need to go all cryptic jedi on me?
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:57 am
TuffGhost What the ********, Jovo? This isn't Star Wars, so why do you feel the need to go all cryptic jedi on me? LMAO! I love Star Wars. What did you think of Episode III? I liked it a lot, personally, but I've liked all of them. What can I say? I love my special effects. The Griveous thing was fun for me. Anyway, we're off topic.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:59 am
Ko, I was going to leave it at that because there was no PM or anything showing up. However, now I have a rant.
It's about self righteous people that think they're always right and never get proved wrong. This isn't a test, there's no grading key, no book to pull answers from. There is more than one right answer.
You're wrong, Jovo. Your rationalization about the way you treat Kaporie is bullshit. He's not your friend because you would never condescend to speak to him if you hadn't been called on it.
No one ever argues with you and now I can see why. You made yourself into the ******** knight in shinning armor by stretching the argument to the extreme. I knew there was no ******** way I was going to win after the post about Kaporie being Adam. At that point you made it impossible for me to say anything that wasn't a direct attack on your character.
That, ladies and gentleman, is how you win an argument. You turn the other person into an emotional bag of sniveling waste. People don't start out illogical when they argue with Jovo, he makes them that way by martyring himself.
That's my ******** rant. I'm done.
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