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 Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:13 pm
Well Ultima is asleep now, so you could probably let it go.
And I've just gotten the compunction to create another character.
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:32 pm
Nah, I've been doing it since last night. biggrin
But yes, I'll stop soon, and a little announcement to any who care, Morgan and I should be coming a back to the clan tomorrow. Last night of the honeymoon just ended, tomorrow we rp from where they wake up and come straight back here as soon as they're ready. If we have as much luck matching times as we did today, it'll be tomorrow we get back for sure, but worst possible case, I see it being the day after.
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:36 pm
I may miss some things, I won't be on as much as I am now due to school starting. Wow, that feels odd to say. But I'm ready for the charge.
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:40 pm
I'll be on less as well, but since it'll be the same for most of us, the only problem with that should be drasticly different time zones... like mine and Morgan's! gonk
And we'll see how much you miss, and if it's really to matter that you do miss it. I mean, I doubt we do much right off that will involve you, until likely a breif talk with Quin before we try to route Fischig. Though Morgan's talk about a charge worries me, it sounds much too straight forward, and we're the ones with less range on our weapons, so that's disadvantage to it if we let ourselves be seen... I've got an idea or two, but it all depends on what others do, and what sort of defensive position they've aquired.
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:41 pm
yeah, I won't be on as much either I'm afraid... sweatdrop I'll be going crazy with school now, so hopefully the guild holds on without us xd
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:44 pm
Rivven, how many way's are there to assault a semi fortified position? Not many, a charge is going to be your best bet, of course you'll want to split up your forces, don't have people lined up behind each other, but spread them out wide, maybe a meter or two between them. Rush in and get them in close quaters fighting. See what help I am, and I'm also trying to help negate that range advantage.
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:58 pm
I'd say, approach from defensive postions, remain hidden and behind cover, likely split into multiple forces of between 2 and 5, and start it off with a stringing of consecutive, correlated ranged assaults, likely all magic, though if it's possible to secure a waterproof timed explosive object, magical or technological, Rivven could easily draw water from elsewhere enough to float it down the current of a small, engineered flood, into the encampment and hopefully at the point during which it should go off, from there blast the enemy with the most powerful magical ranged attacks available, forcing them with cover destroyed and more heat coming at their position from every direction, to scatter and break formation, and as they fled the more explosive attacks, we rush full force charge just as they leave they're safe postitions, and attempt to wipe them out in one clear sweep before they have time to recuperate, regroup, or fall into formation agian. That's my immediate insticnt at least, something to that effect, from a few second glance and thought on the situation. It's probably filled with holes as I lack details and didn't spend more than a few seconds throwing it together, but I think it should be somewhat effective, it's simply that I fear throwing the charge alone, I think it's too simple, even though the more simple plans have less holes through which everything may fall to hell through. It also fails to include a way of countering our enemies likely two biggest assets, Fischig and Ava, luckily Fischig is injured and not at his full potential for sure, but they may be a danger even if we work effectively and assail in a way that should wipe out any reasonably number of defending soldiers of lesser stature than those two. See any other glaring mistakes I've made there? Anything I left out?
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:11 pm
Your plan is sound, I'll grant you that, but an old saying which you should know applies here, on paper your plan sounds good, but in actuallity you forgot to take into consideration the lay of the land, the amount of time they've had to set up defenses and their capablities. Besides you guys aren't trained to fight as a cohesive unit like the defenders are. Throw in an advantage in range and you have a lethal mix. They have a heavy machine gun set up on a tripod, it can reach you as far as the eye can see and beyond. But I don't know what type of land surronds the bar, probably mostly trees, but then maybe they've burned down the trees or tore them down to add to the defenses, we'll see. I'll have to devote some time to their defenses tomarrow at school.
But I'll tell you this, I'll be highly disapointed if you fail and don't kill them off, don't take that as I'm going to give you the win, I'm going to bleed you for it.
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:37 pm
Exactly, those are the variables, the things you've pointed out there, which have worried me most. But, until I have that information, something which is affective in theory is about the best I can hope for.
But I think you mistake a few things. All we need is a good reconisiance, and if we can learn what they've set up in way of defenses without loss of man or material, then the time they've taken to fortify themselves will be a good thing for us. Will their defenses be stronger, more solid? Yes, assuredly. But they'll have developed them as far as they can go given long enough, and then our enemy will remain immobile and unchanging long enough for us to analyze the data we gather, and plan for affective use of it. We'll be changing, adapting, expanding, and if the enemy gains enough confidence, comfort in their stability, then that could even prove helpful to us. Truly though, they do hold both advantages of range and training for unit action, though you neglect one idea. Consider, they are all trained to fight the same way, do everything that might be necessary in combat, do it well, and keep alive. We are all trained to act as individuals, but rather than balance they hold, we are mostly specialist, each with his own ideals of combat, style, strengths and weaknesses. Let someone take into account the vast possibilities their magic allows, and we can find something that will prove quite hurtful to the enemy, and expand from there. Split into groups which will complement each others strengths and offset weaknesses, and we may yet have the advantage. But there will be work to do for both sides, that is certain, much work. Pale is supposed to be the leader... but I wonder who will display leadership, knowledge, and sense to form our military? Perhaps we shall find ourselves under one leader military and one... damn, forgot the term, it's time I went to sleep, my mind is slowly fogging. 'Till morning.
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:49 am
Well it is morning and I see it shows you on just as much as it does I. But yes, they are immobile and that does surve a purpose for you because as long as they stay that way no one will be attacked. But then their situation is not that hard to understand, they see themselves as dead men already and to randomly strike others, well that hasn't been going so well for them so they're going to let you come to them. As for the specialist bit, acting alone can get you killed, you can have your specialist but your going to need a few that can act the common "rifleman".
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UltimateBiscuit Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 5:27 am
I see that people have kept busy during the night. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:04 am
I never suggested anyone go alone. I must have been more affected by lack of sleep than I realized if it sounded like that, it's like I stated before, it needs to be a coordinated assault. What I'm saying is that, say in dnd, a class like paladin, ranger, they're suitable both for melee combat and for magic, and they have some other useful abilities too. They're good under any circumstance just about, but there's a draw back. They're neither as good as a fighter or barbarian in straight on combat, as skilled as a rogue, and their magic doesn't nearly match up to that of a wizard, druid, or cleric. So, they're quite safe to use, always effective, but when you make an ideal party, it isn't usually a bunch of the jack-of-all-trades characters. You want to have all your different characters indispensible for what they do, pick one thing they're good at and master it first, and when you all pick one thing to specialize like so in, suddenly you've got everything you need covered. A party made to balance, not from identical peices, but different ones. That likely made no sense to you, but I think the way each of us is different is an advantage, and even if we'd work better as a unit if we were all the same, be easier to organize a strategy for at least, I believe we'd be much less effective.
*Continues to babble*
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:10 am
I should start calling people. *falls back to sleep*
(ten pts to Rivven)
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:28 am
Hallo everyone, here from school. It's surprising what people do when given freedom. As for what you said Rivven, yes I agree with you, you just need a leader to bring them together, now find that leader. And P, you can always give me a call, just not during school hours.
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:53 am
I just got on. It's a shame I missed everyone sweatdrop
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