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 Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:30 am
*Nana would ponder over Mastema's words for a moment, she hadn't yet really seriously thought about anything yet that may be of help, though off the top of her head she may have had an idea or two. Several months ago she had given Mastema an idea or two, and at least one of them was a project that Mastema was working on or should have been by now. In anycase Nana would present at least one idea right away. As for questions from the night before, all she had to go on was "So Slayer knows Twilight aswell?" , and "Both yourself and Twilight share a love for sitting and looking out of windows?"*
--_--
Hnn, well I did have one idea come to mind recently. Something along the lines of-- hnn, how should I put it? Rapid laser defence nodes?
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:40 am
*The answer did strike Mastema as odd, since he was indeed interested because he didn't know nearly enough about what Nana had just suggested* It certainly sounds like a plausible idea if I understand what you are meaning...... but assist me a little, dear; tell me more about your idea. *Rapid laser defense nodes? It easily caught Mastema's attention, but he really didn't know what Nana meant by it, since it could mean so many different things. The only thing Mastema could be relatively sure of was that it made new use of the laser technology available in the citadel*
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:13 am
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Hnn, lets see... how to begin then? I was thinking about this on two different levels to start off with, both inside and outside of the barrier. Outside, theese "nodes" would be placed much like.... a human mine field. Covered enough that unless you knew with complete certainty what you were looking for, they'd simply seem like divets in the ground. A reasonable ammount of them would be required, and would be placed a few meters from one another, equally if possible. Each would be linked to Zio or so I'd imagine, so they could be managed and maximized to their full potential. Anyhow, continuing, these "nodes" would have some sort of sensor onboard to detect movement, and once a person got close enough, or far enough into the field, the surrounding nodes would rise in a group and open fire a repetition of laser file at the target between them. Naturally the laser frequency would be adjustable from non-leathal to lethal depending on who wandered into the field. Simple lost souls should not be shot up for getting lost and wandering near. I was thinking that the undersides that fire the lasers should be sphereical in shape, allowing for smoother motion. As for what would make them rise from the ground... hnn... once when looking up information on how to repair Proto, I briefly came across an earlier design for a few investigation units that could fly. I think a similar idea can be re-worked for these nodes if necessary.
*So far this was sounding like "something that shoots a lot of lasers over and over again really fast at someone", but one could never simply say it like that. If this was for outside, then what about inside? Nana would get to that momentarily after catching her breath*
--_--
As for the same said nodes inside the barrier... Some beings seem to be able to get past the barrier like it wasn't even there at all. If they can get past the outter areas to the inside, they would face much the same only on a larger scale, in a sense. The nodes inside the citadel would be far smaller, perhaps attached to certain structures? Semi-circular in shape maybe, and also able to fire lasers in rapid succession. Though they should be at a frequency to only stun I would think. Otherwise damage to other nodes or structures might occure, not to mention if ever there was a malfunction, better to be stunned than killed. There would have to be even more of them on the inside than the out aswell. At first I would suggest a designated testing area or two, then slowly branching out from there. Hnn... the newer buildings should be where these nodes are placed, since the old unstanble buildings are obviously bad candidates...
*Nana may or may not continue with her explination, depending on how Mastema took the information. By now he should have a feel for it at the very least. But Nana could go on more than likely if Mastema wished. If interested enough perhaps they could even work together on the final designs of said nodes for both inside and out*
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:36 pm
The portals had snapped shut, after some damage had been done. Hardly enough to warrant closure, but it seemed the power source that held them open had been switched off. In any case, the Citadel was far from being under attack.
Some ways off from the barrier, KB would appear once more. His body bursting into flame, as the seemingly metal body started to glow. It wasn't long before the frame was dripping, and eventually melted into a pool of sizzling orange molten metal. Standing in the pool, was the usual KB, with a wary smile on his face. The pool cooled around his feet, turning into simple stone.
Shrugging, KB simply raised his hand up to his head, the gun within it flaring to life in a blast of flame that burnt the side of his face. The resounding gunshot tore through the air as the bullet cleaved away KB's head. A smoldering stump was all that remained, as KB's fleshly body dropped to it's knees and became dust. The pile of dust lay upon the stone, the pistol in it undisturbed. From this point 3 distinct lights flew away in opposite directions. The three angelic entities KB had summoned forth were freed, and KB was gone. Having decided to follow through with a suggestion, KB was taking a vacation.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:06 pm
*The idea sounded helpful if nothing else. The idea of having independent yet coordinating attack pods did sound interesting. From the main idea, Mastema could gather that the weapon was meant to be mostly
unavoidable by whatever fell into its range* Hmm..... your idea for the outside attack nodes piques my interest the most. Of course, I take it you would need them to relatively small in size. Making them hover would be no trouble; you know I have the technology for that. The problem lays in the fact that small devices would be unable to sustain assault for long; even incapacitating level lasers would take significant energy. So something may have to be worked out about those. The nodes inside would indeed be better placed on the newere buildings, but the safest constructs are quite deep into the citadel, since the old buildings act as a sort of hindrance on the outer most areas of the citadel. However, if they were attached to the ground, their might be a better effectiveness. *This rectified a few problems. If the nodes were on buildings or hovering, their range would be limited, but if they were in the ground they would be able to aim where ever the enemy might hide. At the moment there were still several problems to work out*
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:24 pm
--_--
Well they can't be too large, or else they would be an easy target to hit. Hnn... Still... something about that-- Too small and they can't sustain an assault for long, outside. Too big and they become a target themselves. The units would need ot be free and independant moving, perhaps have a swarm function? Meanwhile inside, on the ground instead of buildings means they'd be a possible ground hazzard. Something that could be tripped over, if one was not paying attention and if not somehow sheltered, it would be possible they could be picked off from above. So there may have to be a concentration of them, of course if those too were on the ground... It might make the locations congested.
*A few more ideas sprouted to mind, that could fix these minor problems but unless Mastema wanted to further go into it for the moment, then Nana probably wouldn't say much else. Though the fixing ideas would probably be easy for Mastema to accomplish once he found out what Nana had to say about them. Perhaps modify them a bit, until everything worked out flawlessly. Durring the conversation, Nana hadn't done to badly with keeping up with Mastema, though she did slow down a bit. Talking had also distracted her a bit, that plus the locations Mastema choose to lead her about the room*
^_^
But we can always figure a little something out later, right?
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:35 pm
The hardest problem is overcoming the energy shortage to sustain assault. That will have to be addressed at some point. Hmm.... on the contrary, I believe independent function could be a downfall if they are rapid fire assault modules. Instead, a central program should direct them to act together. With such a function, they would be able to cooperate and form a much tighter "net" of fire without accidentally incapacitating one another. *He thought for a moment about what she'd said of the inside nodes* True, it would be difficult to integrate them into the ground securely. Of course, even the hovering time could be taken out from above, if one got above their range of fire. Still, the use of independent weapon pods may be useful. If you come up with anything more on that, please let me know. *Mastema continued to lead Nana around the room, slowing down if she seemed to be going too fast for her current condition*
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:10 pm
>.>
Well yes, I didn't mean that they shouldn't act together. What I meant was something more along the lines of that, they can move about freely and independant from the place they were docked, just as other hovering robotics in the citadel can do. If the nodes were hindered by something that kept them in place, like a chain on an underwater mine, then they would only be able to travel as far as their restraints would let them. If they were able to move away from their original location to purse with other nearby nodes or those farther out, then they could in a sense swarm enmass. One possible way to allow that could be a signal or program from Zio given off by every docking port to allow the nodes to move away from their own designated docks. Then again perhaps that might not be needed at all, it all depends on what we have at our desposal I suppose. Instead of a signal from each dock, it could be one signal from a few select locations within the field itself. Spread out over a vast area that could control several nodes at once. It shouldn't matter if they pass into another sector either since the signal should be the same.
*More or less, Nana and Mastema both agreed that the nodes on the outside would need to work together. Not knowing the complete range that Zio could broadcast, Nana had brought up a more localized method for Zio to communicate and co-ordinate the nodes actions. This of course was only if Zio was used at all, Mastema had brought up a "program" but one so complex might take quite a while to construct. Zio could be a temporary hook up until the program was completed and uploaded however. In the end it would be Mastema's call. Nana would move onto listening and responding with her thoughts on the nodes for inside the citadel*
--_--
Well something else has sprung to mind, that might help keep the nodes from being a constant ground hazzard. If it were possible to build their housing right into the ground and streets, then they could be hidden when not in use. The outter nodes would be like a first warning system, after which the nodes inside could be dispatched. In my time, witnessing several wars I've seen similar methods used by humans. Missles being fired from their bays for instance, would be the best visual I can think of. Their coverings which I can imagine being fluss with the street could pull or slide back into pre-made ports made to house them when not covering the nodes. Then the nodes themselves could rise up from their places to street level, making them ready for use. Placed shallowly into the ground, the entire process from being hidden in the landscape, to being ready to stun or if need be..... kill, would only take a few seconds. In all likelyhood, before an intruder even made it into the citadel and past the barrier.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:50 pm
*Mastema nodded* Of course.... hover technology would allow them to be independent from the docking. Though that does also bring up the problem of making their propulsion powerful enough to manuveur them effectively. That will also be looked in to. Establishing a network among all of the nodes will be the least of our worries. *Mastema nodded* A covering of some sort may be possible. Of course, there is no need to rush the design plan. Think about whatever possibilities you can before the conference and you can present any other ideas there. If you cannot attend, then you may discuss with me in private after the conference is concluded. *It did make sense to spend more time on the plan. There were so many issues to be worked out, and each merited a significant amount of time to be addressed. It would be one of many things discussed at the conference, no doubt*
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:10 pm
>_>
Hmm... how about-- magnetic propulsion? Using the Earth's own magnetic fields, it might be possible. I believe if you were to look for any information on.... hnn... bullet trains, you might see some of the engineering behind the idea. Actually, the magnetic field around the citadel as a whole might need to be increased, though durring certain times of the year that would also attract lightning to us. Lightning rods would need to be placed in various locations to help avoid damage from being taken.
*That was an equally interesting idea, using magnetics to move the node, and there were other applications that could branch from there aswell. Nana would turn her attention back to talk of the conference. Mastema was right though, there was no hurry to create a defence such as that, yet at least. The time inbetween would allow Nana to think of other ways to help the citadel. For now she would get back to concentrating on her recovery. The only main issue she could see with the nodes, was power source. What would power the nodes internally, so that they could fire off their stun to kill blasts?*
--__--
Yes, I'll keep thinking.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:41 pm
*If only Mastema could tell Nana how similar this idea of nodes sounded to another one of his ideas, albeit one which had yet to be formed into a project. Of course, that idea was much more complicated in essence, but shared some of the same problems* Hmm.... magnetic fields are plausible, but the earth's magnetic field may not produce the right direction or enough power at the necessary times. Creating a strong magnetic field around the citadel would cause problems in other areas as well, and having these nodes move independently means some would be inhibited while others were helped. Magnetic fields could certainly be powerful enough, but it would be difficult to change rapidly enough for these nodes to be manuveurable. So it would seem we would either need them to compensate for what they lack in manuveurability, or we find some other form of propulsion. *Mastema wrapped the conversation up there* I shall look in to other means we may have available as well. Your input has been more than I expected.....
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:55 pm
*Nana would listen and nod to most of what Mastema had to say. There were other possible power sources and means of movement availible, and they would need to be explored until one of them matched what was required. It would be a little more lengthy, but better to have a long term solution that you know you can handle then a temporary one where unexspected problems could occure. Magnetics were merely one of many different options open to them. Mastema's last comment was.... uplifting. Positive re-enforcement like that was likely to get Nana's head swimming with more ideas, and they did tend to be creative at times*
^__^
Hnn.... I'm more than glad to try and help, you know that.
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:42 am
*Mastema chuckled softly* To correct your statement, dear, you do not try to help...... you do help indeed. There is no try about it; as I said, your input now and in the past has indeed been helpful to me, and though you may not see much of what you suggest put into action readily, I assure you that your desire to help has not fallen on deaf ears. *Mastema had indeed incorporated some of Nana's past suggestions into other projects where they could fit. Thanatos was probably learning about them right now, actually. Mastema couldn't help but muse over what Thanatos's response would be. Would he expose the citadel for what it really was, or would he keep the truth in favor of promoting the happiness of his family. Mastema's ulterior motive for giving Thanatos the data would be kept secret* Well then.... is it already that late? *Mastema looked out of the window on the side of the room*
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:54 am
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Hnn... I'm glad.
*Just what Thanatos was seeing, Nana couldn't possibly know. Some of the projects contained on the data disk also had some of Nana's ideas incorperated into them aswell? What they were, also stood as a mystery to Nana, since she was unaware of them. Though perhaps she'd be able to gain a little insight, if Mastema told her when asked, though who knew when Nana would become curious enough to ask next. Nana would look up to Mastema then follow his gaze to the window shortly after*
>.>
Hnn? Oh my... Night certainly did sneak up fast didn't it?
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:17 am
*If Thanatos was truly haunted by what he was seeing, then regardless of his decision he would probably show his disconcertment in his demeanor. It would be a wonder if he didn't snap at someone* I suppose it did. Well then.... would you like to continue or stop? *Mastema would understand if Nana had had enough rehab for the day, though he wouldn't be surprised if she wanted to continue on either* If I do say so myself, if so much time can pass with such little change in your ability to move, then I think you must have improved greatly in your recovery. *Mastema would grin softly, turning back to Nana*
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