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 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:24 pm
The rules are on the GW site under the Tau section, labeled Gue'vesa. As for the Tau doctine IG army, just e-mail the GW US support site, and ask them. A guy named Tim "Fish" Camo, hobby specialist, told me you could add Tau equipment and weapons to the IG army and use them as those weapons.
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:24 pm
Oh, I get it, the US GW site shows us unorthodox IG armies, one of them is an army serving under the Tau, only without the fancy Tau weapons. But still, NO. Imperial Guard is NOT allowed to field Tau weapons in their own armies.
PROOF. Give us proof of this. I am a long time Guard player and I find it very plausible that suddenly the Imperial Guard can field Tau weapons. So give us proof. CA, some obscure home grown rule, where ever you got this notion from.
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:34 pm
email GW, I did and that is what they told me. I already listed who responded. And yes, the unorthodox IG is allowed to field Tau weapons. I have been talking about the unorthodox IG army the whole time, which, according to the email I got back, is allowed to use Tau weapons.
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:52 pm
Darth_Ravage email GW, I did and that is what they told me. I already listed who responded. And yes, the unorthodox IG is allowed to field Tau weapons. I have been talking about the unorthodox IG army the whole time, which, according to the email I got back, is allowed to use Tau weapons. copy-paste the e-mail.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:59 am
Sorry, but I am finding this bullocks, that all of the sudden Imperial Guard armies can field Tau weapons. The Tau axie army shown on the GW fights under Tau auspices, but with Imperial hardware.
Ah ******** it! I'm just retarded. There's the wall of ignorance, coming in head first.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 5:33 am
Check the unothodox doctrines on the IG page. Here is the email. And the Gue'vesa use Tau pulse weapons to an extent, so we know they do get some Tau equipment. Quote: Subject: RE: Gue'vesa Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 16:59:36 -0500 From: "US Customer Service" View Contact Details View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
To: "----------------" <------------------>
The difference between the two articles is that one is meant for taking
humans in a Tau army. These would represent squads being spread across
an entire Tau Fire Warrior Cadre.
The second article is for using the Imperial Guard Codex to represent
an entire human force that has gone over to the Tau. You can certainly
use some Tau weapons and so forth.
Hope that helps,
Tim "Fish" Commo
Hobby Specialist
Please do not delete responses from previous e-mails when you reply.
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-----Original Message-----
From: ---------------- [mailto:------------------]
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:29 AM
To: US Customer Service
Subject: Gue'vesa
I am a Tau player and have been looking over the
various articles on the Gue'vesa. I cannot find a
comprehensive, consistant, and detailed wargear list
for them. One section says they have only lasguns with
some pulse weapons (Tau section) while another (IG
unorthodox doctrines page)gives them HW platoons,
Special weapons, carapace armor, close combat drill,
xeno-fighters, and mentions putting Tau tech on
sentinals. Do they get IG vehicles or Tau vehicles?
What is the limit for infantry types? What are theire
availible infantry weapons. Consolidating hte info on
them into a single article would probably make it
considerably easier for people such as myself to
understand the info on them. Thank you for your time.
I apologize if my letter is a bit unorganized.See?
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:03 am
You all fighting over something simple. Just replace the Imperial weapons with Tau equivlents and use the imperial rules
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:42 am
"entire human force that has gone over to the Tau." as in fluffwise, they're holding Tau weapons because they serve the greater good, instead of the Emperor. "You can certainly use some Tau weapons" means you can use them as proxies for Lasguns, Missile Launchers, etc in their place. NOT AS THE TAU WEAPONS, but as stand-ins for the Imperial stuff.
the site says they have these doctrines:
Carapace Armor
Close Order Drill
Special Weapons Squads
Heavy Weapons Platoons
Xeno-Fighters
These are all standard guard rules. However it represents they have armor supplied by the Tau, have had Tau weapons training, get black market Tau weapons, and as a side-effect of fighting for the Tau, become experts at hunting Orks.
Please learn to interperate what you read.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:43 am
From what I read is something I already know.
The Gue'Vesa squads may only be fielded in Tau armies and yes, they have access to small numbers of Tau equipment.
The second states that you may use the models, but does NOT allow you to use pulse carbines as such in an Imperial Guard army. You may use Tau weapons etc, but they are "count as" items.
Please, customer care desk jockeys do not rewrite rules.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:23 am
use Tau weapons, not Tau accesories, weapons. Which implies you use them as Tau weapons rather than different looking IG weapons. Please show me something indicating your interpretation is correct. There is no point in proxying lasguns with pulse rifles since the guys come with lasguns. So the idea makes no sense. Until you can produce solid evidence (like an email or article) that shows your interpretation to be correct, my interpretation of a paragraph is as valid as yours.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:10 am
Darth_Ravage use Tau weapons, not Tau accesories, weapons. Which implies you use them as Tau weapons rather than different looking IG weapons. Please show me something indicating your interpretation is correct. There is no point in proxying lasguns with pulse rifles since the guys come with lasguns. So the idea makes no sense. Until you can produce solid evidence (like an email or article) that shows your interpretation to be correct, my interpretation of a paragraph is as valid as yours. Nope. Your interpretation is retarded. I don't care if you get offended, it's ******** true. EVERYONE is telling you. We have ALL read the rules. Read the site special doctrines again carefully. They are imperial guard using 5 doctrines, which I mentioned above. READ THE RULES FOR THOSE DOCTRINES in the Imperial Guard codex. You'll see there is NOTHING allowing them to use the weapons of other armies within those rules. The point of GIVING them Tau weapons is for a converted army that LOOKS the part. Much like, for example, cadians converted with long cloaks for winter warfare could also be given canteen style flasks like the Russians, etc. Does NOTHING in game, but looks good.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:30 am
Lt Brookman, and Ophiuchus are absolutely right the rules are right there, you can only give them guns for the purpose of LOOKS but not the rules themselves ie if i give a guardsman a pulse rifle it still COUNTS as a lasgun
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:35 am
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:43 am
dude give it up. Youve got some hardcore beardys slaping you in the face with the rules and you dont seem to comprehend it. God I may not play gaurd but its not that hard to comprehend
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:11 am
Oh I see, this is what the other mods here warned me about, ignorance in the bucket loads. *starts to sing out of key* s**t in a bucket coz my name's Gary, the bull-s**t fairy!
Peeps, let's just give up on this case, I mean if I, the veteran Guard player am *obviously* wrong, then it's all for the best to just let this run along. I've learned that games in stores can be a much better wake up call.
Speaking of proxy models, I am myself thinking of starting a small Hive world guard force, using the Necromunda models for Guardsmen. Or maybe something of a city fighting force, if the rumours are true, then a new Guard city fighting force will be listed in that new cityfighting codex.
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