Daypaw
You disappeared after a spat about who was going to add who over AIM. Yami and I continued to have discussions and even held a small event during the Gaia Halloween event in your absence. We never "voted you out" - you disappeared and didn't come back. We have posts in our discussion thread dated in August 2010 wondering whether or not you were coming back.
1. I never had a "spat"
you were free to add me if you wanted and you never did
I didn't care
2. I didn't "disappear", I clearly left you two in charge and had there been any confusion over the fact I'm fairly available here on the internet. But even putting that aside Yami knows how to contact me through other means if he wanted/needed to. I was not unavailable.
3. Uhhh I may have a bad memory but I clearly remember allowing you guys to decide whether or not you wished to do things without me and that was what you chose.
Daypaw
People were throwing shitfits because your idea of a working, happy guild was vastly different from everyone elses idea of a happy, working guild. It failed because you were completely unwilling to compromise, on anything. You threw the members aside time and time again, and now they're all gone. You worked very little with me and Yami- for the most part, you were doing to us the same thing you were doing to the members. "I don't like that, so we're not doing it." We had more pull than the members, yes, but it was still always
your guild and nobody elses.
I'm not even going to argue with you about this
if that's what you remember then whatever
Daypaw
...you pretty much said yourself that the old regulars weren't worth appealing to and bringing back- that 'making the guild functional' and 'fixing the infrastructure' took priority.
At that point no. Everyone was in "riot" mode and just wanted to complain about anything and everything. That's not good for a guild. They were happy hating me and going off by themselves elsewhere so I was fine with leaving them to it if that's what they wanted. You know as well as I that for the most part they were all welcome back here. They chose to quit the guild of their own free will and I wasn't about to
continue pursuing them after trying to get them to come back. Because remember we did try more than once.
Daypaw
If it means as much to you as you say, where have you been since mid 2010?
For a long time I was waiting for you and Yami to do something with the guild. Then after so many months of this guild being 100% dead I just couldn't care anymore. All my enthusiasm for revamping and revitalizing things died when everyone stopped posting and I was prepared to just leave the guild a ghost town, as it would have been had I not stepped in in the first place.
Daypaw
You abandoned us with no notice. We didn't vote you out- we asked you to
stop making decisions without us and making major changes without our knowledge- as, technically by the power system that was implemented, everything implemented needed a majority vote. That's not the same as "You're not captain anymore, gtfo." It's simply "Give us a heads up because some of the things that are changing without our prior knowledge aren't good changes."
We never told you to leave.that's 100% bullshit
Daypaw
No, we did not have leeway to do whatever we wanted. VC's are not Captains and it was still not our guild. When we were functioning without you, we were still functioning within the power system and rule set that was established before you left. We didn't make any major changes because we expected you to come back at some point. Yami had other things to worry about, and so did I. If you didn't care enough to post and tell us that you were still checking in, do you really think we cared enough to try and track you down about it? We have more important obligations than a guild that's been neglected by owner after owner after owner.
you're right
I believe I asked you not to delete old threads or ban people ("clean house") without cause
other than that you were free to run the guild however you wanted
I didn't need to check in with you
I didn't have any sayso in anything you did(n't do) so what was I needed for?
I suppose after so many months I could have just pulled gaia rank and removed you both as you've just removed me but like I said the place was a ghost town and I was fine with letting it stay dead at this point
Daypaw
Re: your comment to Talon. Co-owners do an equal share of work. If you wanted to be part owner, you had an equal share to do. Captains are the highest rank position because they are expected to be in charge and have control of the guild. Saying that you expected me and Yami to 'run everything' is just nonsense and is nowhere in the power arrangement that was established.
yeah again
this is bullshit
Daypaw
You knew the guild was inactive. Was being inactive yourself for well over a year in it's best interest? You could have just as easily demoted everyone on the crew and found replacements who didn't care one way or the other what happened. You could have wiped the memberlist, cleared the forums, and then launched a recruiting campaign. But you didn't- you chose to leave and not come back. Maybe you were hoping that me and Yami would fix everything and you would have something spectacular to come back and claim? I don't know, I don't care. I'm not going to pretend I do. This is going to be my only post on the subject- I'm not going to let it turn into another 'shitfit' as we all have better things to be doing with our time.
yeah I was totally hoping you'd both come back after a year and make something spectacular so I could take the credit for it
are you even listening to yourself?
rolleyes anyway I agree with one thing you said
I do have better things to do with my time than argue with you
believe whatever you want dude
YamiKreuz
That being said, yes, Daypaw and I have done little for a long time now, and it is our fault in a non-negative way. What I mean is that I had much more important things to take care of, I'm sure she did as well. I'm sure Rivlen had things to deal with too.
I think you may be taking my reaction to Daypaw the wrong way
even though I think it was shitty for you guys to act like you were going to work on the guild and then just stop I'm not upset about that (grats on the job btw, Devon mentioned it awhile back although she never told me where it was)
like I just said I was fine with leaving things how they were
what pisses me off is that Daypaw comes back here after over a year and blames
me for "disappearing" when I pretty clearly remember not only leaving you guys in charge but CLEARLY informing you that I would be stepping back and letting you handle things
in fact it was what we all agreed on
so why am I taking flak after all this time for the guild being dead when it wasn't my responsibility to run it anymore?
YamiKreuz
I am open to here concerns about the most recent actions though.
the only concerns I ever had were
A. a prosperous and vital VTOG
B. failing A, a clear preservation of the memories (ie shut the guild down, never delete all the old threads, etc)
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