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 Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:59 pm
gonk gonk gonk gonk
i'm the stupidest clarinetist to walk the planet
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:11 pm
: ( the box didn't have directions? I thought mine did.
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:13 pm
Ash Rail : ( the box didn't have directions? I thought mine did. mine did but directions don't like me x( so...i set it up wrong right? =_= (there is a picture of it in the page before...)
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:26 pm
... did it look like the picture?
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:23 pm
Miyoko- I have a lig that looks just like that one. Basically you put it on so the smooth, not metally part is against the reed. The metally part should be on the other side, with the knob facing the right if you hold the reed to yourself.
Yeah, instrument things can be confusing. I just got a clarinet neck strap (because I have a heavy wooden clarinet, and it's supposed to help my hands), and putting it on is just CONFUSING!!!
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 2:06 am
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THe world crumbles when choco is away... or at least miyoko does, j/k. Yes, the Rovner is the wrong wait, the leather part grips the reed while the screw is adjusted from the back. THis provides a decent support and control, but it does, as ash said, hinder tone in a dark nature as well as muffle the resiliance of the clarinet's finer points. Good job on the M30, its a good piece and is really flexible for long term players. Both of my past section leaders had them, but thats only because they used thinner reeds than me n_n;; Anyways, I would actually like to reccomend the Eddy Daniels specialty lig. It looks like a Rovner, but it is more like a brilliantly designed BG with changeable plates. $40-60 I think, but its worth it for the M30. That, or the optimum, which is still my fave.
You should never need a neckstrap for a soprano clarinet. Period. Unless you have SOME MEDICAL condition, lol. Its fine for basses, but sopranos aren't worth it. You wouldn't last long as a brass player, lol.
Ash, how could you forget gypsy and oriental scales based on the pentonics and 4 tone scales? Btw, I relearned a scale which I based off of Tank!.... in C it would be CEbFF#GBC. I LOVE playing it with different rythms, and outlining that scal starting on A will set you up for Tank!.
lmao, when I said 4 octaves, I meant for the chromatic scale, starting on the lowest note: E, and ending anywhere between the 4th E and 4th G. Many of you are confuzed as to the highest note on a clarinet, and I will say that in music I have encountered double high C's, which Ash may hit I believe, and I always have. It is possible to play every sclae in 4 octaves, as my section leader ALWAYS proves to us when we play scales in band. He starts on the 2nd C (register, 3, 3 and pinky) playing C major, then we go up to C#/Db, and play each scale up a half step until we reach B major... which Joseph STARTS on the B you people regard as high (register, thumb and first finger) and ends on the B below that double high C. yes, you can continue til you reach the E above that to round out the 4 octaves, but thats not reccomended. Normally, I suggest at least learning the common arpeggios up there (FAC, CEG, GBD for starters) to get used to the embouchure and technique neccassary for the higher notes. The fingering I use for the G you guys said was the 'highest' and the C above that are in fact the same, yet I an hit either at anytime with little effort. THe altissmo range of the clarinet has no true end, and extending your range is just the same as learning overtones on a sax. The difference being you MUST do overtones on a sax in order to play true altissimo. I'll check make a recording or something showing my range, and I'll tell you that the standard scale book used by most professionals is the Baermann book 4, which does make you do 4 octave scales and arpeggios smile
Can't think of anything I haven't covered yet... feel free to keep posting in my forum, because I will address your concerns if any of my minions fail in doing so (haha, ash, your a minion now xD)
For now I'm calling it a night, and keep these forums active! I don't want to randomly come here to see no ones posting when I'm not here. Ash, thanks for being around, and you can be the third advisor on my forum (2nd is still hornfreak, but you are good at bridging the jazz clarinet and sax gap and you know your stuff for the most part, props)
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:07 am
^ ^ thank you for everything, except the minion thing.
I'm still undecided about the minion thing.
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:44 am
rofl once again chocovash beats me in the longgg post stoof sweatdrop
lol yeah everyone here is gonna remember me as teh stupidest clarinetist ever blaugh
o.o i had a dream about apple cider and clarinets...
that just doesn't make sense....
oh that g...o_O; i think...-_- everyone from first to second row can play up to it except me (i used to...) i've been lazy...O_O ::everyone screams and runs away::
minions o.O;
i haven't been to you advice thread in ages... o.o
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:24 am
Chocovash3 ... Ash, how could you forget gypsy and oriental scales based on the pentonics and 4 tone scales? Btw, I relearned a scale which I based off of Tank!.... in C it would be CEbFF#GBC. I LOVE playing it with different rythms, and outlining that scal starting on A will set you up for Tank!. I didn't forget about all the ethnic scales. I just don't think she needs to know them for awhile. And that scale looks and sounds like the blues scale with a major seventh. It's got an almost bop-sound to it. I like it. The halftone resolves around back to tonic much more. Without that blue note, the overall scale sounds different. It's hip. The tank bass line is based on the blues scale. There's a minor seventh. That song is much more blues than bebop.
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:34 pm
Chocovash3 You should never need a neckstrap for a soprano clarinet. Period. Unless you have SOME MEDICAL condition, lol. Its fine for basses, but sopranos aren't worth it. You wouldn't last long as a brass player, lol. You mean the normal B flat clarinet? Actually, my teacher (who plays clarinet outside of teaching band) uses a neckstrap. It's not to hold the weight because it's too heavy, it's to hold the weight so your hands can position well. My right thumb is ALWAYS in a really bad spot, and the neckstrap helps me. And exCUSE ME! I would last as a brass player. I am good at lifting heavy objects (I acolyte at my church, need to carry 15 or so pound cross above my head while walking), the neckstrap isn't for weight, like I said before. Plus, I played my friend's trombone before. It was fun. biggrin stare Don't mock me....
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:21 pm
writerserenyty Chocovash3 You should never need a neckstrap for a soprano clarinet. Period. Unless you have SOME MEDICAL condition, lol. Its fine for basses, but sopranos aren't worth it. You wouldn't last long as a brass player, lol. You mean the normal B flat clarinet? Actually, my teacher (who plays clarinet outside of teaching band) uses a neckstrap. It's not to hold the weight because it's too heavy, it's to hold the weight so your hands can position well. My right thumb is ALWAYS in a really bad spot, and the neckstrap helps me. And exCUSE ME! I would last as a brass player. I am good at lifting heavy objects (I acolyte at my church, need to carry 15 or so pound cross above my head while walking), the neckstrap isn't for weight, like I said before. Plus, I played my friend's trombone before. It was fun. biggrin stare Don't mock me.... Lol. It's also not a questin of strength, but endurance. Someone can carry a 50lb bag of manure, but not be able to hold a 25lb bag for 2 hours. As far as finger positioning goes, that's not the job of the neckstrap. On clarinet, your fingers should be curved as if your hand were relaxed, but note that the thumb is able to move independently... If you are having difficulty holding the clarinet properly when marching, I suggest that you move the thumb rest down si that the thumb is in between the middle and ring fingers, which will inevitably cause the fingers to curve to balance. Clarinet neckstraps are bizzarre contraptions that attach in such a way that is difficult for A) manuevering the clarinet for horn manuals or parade rest/attention positions B) create a focal point on the clarinet, allowing you to hold it only at a certain angle unless you change the straps tightness (which you can't do in the middle of a parade, one of our saxes' neck straps broke before competition, and he should have just left it, but he continously had it break WHILE marching, not good) C) there just is no real reason to. I don't march clarinet as a choice, because I want to use my professional instruments and wood clarinets crack in that sort of climate. The only reson bass clarinetists use a strap is because they have no focal point; they are used to having the instrument rest on the floor when playing concert. Clarinets are just not desgned for a strap, so pardon me for my specific degradation of you, missy (that was sarcasm, I only meant these statements to show the unconventionalness of a clarinet strap. Thank you for paying attention)
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:26 pm
Miyoko Clarinetti sorry if i offended you flaming ninja ._. crying gonk Let me make this clear. You did not offend me. I don't hate you, etc. You could never offend anyone, you're too nice. and you're not stupid, you're just...are you a natural blonde? jk
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:02 pm
I'm pretty sure Miyoko is not a natural blonde, but that would explain some stuff.
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:23 pm
Chocovash3 writerserenyty Chocovash3 You should never need a neckstrap for a soprano clarinet. Period. Unless you have SOME MEDICAL condition, lol. Its fine for basses, but sopranos aren't worth it. You wouldn't last long as a brass player, lol. You mean the normal B flat clarinet? Actually, my teacher (who plays clarinet outside of teaching band) uses a neckstrap. It's not to hold the weight because it's too heavy, it's to hold the weight so your hands can position well. My right thumb is ALWAYS in a really bad spot, and the neckstrap helps me. And exCUSE ME! I would last as a brass player. I am good at lifting heavy objects (I acolyte at my church, need to carry 15 or so pound cross above my head while walking), the neckstrap isn't for weight, like I said before. Plus, I played my friend's trombone before. It was fun. biggrin stare Don't mock me.... Lol. It's also not a questin of strength, but endurance. Someone can carry a 50lb bag of manure, but not be able to hold a 25lb bag for 2 hours. As far as finger positioning goes, that's not the job of the neckstrap. On clarinet, your fingers should be curved as if your hand were relaxed, but note that the thumb is able to move independently... If you are having difficulty holding the clarinet properly when marching, I suggest that you move the thumb rest down si that the thumb is in between the middle and ring fingers, which will inevitably cause the fingers to curve to balance. Clarinet neckstraps are bizzarre contraptions that attach in such a way that is difficult for A) manuevering the clarinet for horn manuals or parade rest/attention positions B) create a focal point on the clarinet, allowing you to hold it only at a certain angle unless you change the straps tightness (which you can't do in the middle of a parade, one of our saxes' neck straps broke before competition, and he should have just left it, but he continously had it break WHILE marching, not good) C) there just is no real reason to. I don't march clarinet as a choice, because I want to use my professional instruments and wood clarinets crack in that sort of climate. The only reson bass clarinetists use a strap is because they have no focal point; they are used to having the instrument rest on the floor when playing concert. Clarinets are just not desgned for a strap, so pardon me for my specific degradation of you, missy (that was sarcasm, I only meant these statements to show the unconventionalness of a clarinet strap. Thank you for paying attention) I don't march with it either. My school doesn't have a marching band. Only pep band. So yeah. If it's so unconventional and rarely needed, then why is it carried at all sorts of music stores (I found mine at a store in the mall). And my hand isn't misplaced out of any particular reason, it's out of habit. My 4th grade clarinet teacher (when I first started) was just the band teacher who only knew about brass instruments and not how to hold an instrument. My 5th grade/middle school teacher never bothered to change my behavior. Therefore, I have a really misplaced thumb and my bottom lip is positioned wrong. I'm working really hard on getting this right, and my teacher suggested a neckstrap, so I get my mind off actually holding the clarinet and onto how I'm positioning my thumb. Oh, and I'm not mad at you, I just wanted you to know I CAN handle weight. Plus, I do want to learn how to play a brass instrument (I want to be in the jazz band but not play saxophone). I played my friend's trombone a couple of days ago. It was fun. biggrin
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:33 pm
Music stores carry a lot of junk that is completely useless, or possibly even bad for your instrument. You know those big fluffy "pad savers" for saxophones? They actually trap the moisture against the pads.
Music stores still carry them. Why? Because they know people will buy them.
I remember joking around with my director about getting a sax harness for my bari. Eventually he thought I was serious and asked me what size he should get for me.
My friend shouts out from across the room, "What's your bra size?"
The fact is that the music store will often carry whatever they think will sell. If someone sees a strap or a harness, they could very well think they need them. If they think they need them, then they'll probably buy them. If they buy them, then the store makes money.
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