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Ya I know.

That was bad wording on my part. What I meant was when you have an rp, and there's like... different groups of people, typically bad a good, it's often the case that most people choose to have a good character over a bad.

Anyways, who gives a crap anymore, we all have our different opinions, let's get on with our lives and stop discussing something that doesn't really need to be discussed and argued about.

Case closed.

That is where I agree with soren, RPing is made for fun and it a hobby. some comes along and tell me what I ahve to play and who I have to play with and I have to do this and that, I Get pissed off.

Then maybe you should join a debate team instead of arguing with people over the internet about the stupidest things to argue about.

I don't get it. Using your own analogy of football and referees, doesn't that mean you ARE for professional football games not having referees because the players are good? And that only--say--little league kids should have referees, because they suck?

But if it's an artform, you shouldn't have them there either?

@Kayako: DUDE, YES! Totally YES!! Maaan, Taylor's wife's kid Reed is a dumbass. razz And man, that cabbie was a freak-o.

So which of the CSIs you like better, if you've seen more than one? I like the first one the most. Saw New York first, though, and I haven't seen too much of Miami to really form an opinion.

I am soooo sad that Grissom left! He was the best character on that one!

No, Soren, this is what I mean:
When you roleplay as a game, it can be related to football, but when it's a form of expression... well, of course not. I'm saying that starting it off as a game is better for noobs than starting as an expression. Why? Because noobs are trying to rp in the form of expression will suck, downright suck, which is where this argument originally started. I've stated that they need a moderator to help them a long, I never said they had to have one. Also, in this statement, noobs work great in game rps. So yeah, you can't relate the two, unless you accept the fact that there are multiple ways to rp. For Gaia, I would have to say the gaming form is needed more because a lot of people here are just plain noobs who want to mess around, not truly write. The gaming form suits them, and the moderator is like a referee in that game.
Hence, my point. Does that make sense?

Come on Soren, don't misinterpret what I'm saying man. We're in agreement, it seems like our stasis is just a bit off. Or in other words, we're not really sure where are disagreement lies.

Let me recap this discussion real quick.
I say "Some rps require a moderate to make sure the rp runs smoothly and the rules are obeyed, like a referee for a game."
Shen says "If it's a form of expression, why would it need a referee? Does an artist have a referee directing him through every stroke?"
I respond, "Of course not, interpretation of definition. Some rps are played more like games, some are played purely as a form of writing/expression. But bad rpers might want to try out a moderator to help them out and understand a good way to go about rping."
Shen "So when football players get really good, they shouldn't even need referees anymore?"
(Bing!!!!)
That's where are stasis is off. You see, I think you see my point as saying rping is always a game, and it always remains that way, but this isn't true. Some people get into some intense game form rps and the moderator will always be there, because it's a game. But in the form of expression, the referree would only get in the way of the story progression, because the players are all writers and contribute to the story, not to the fun of the game (because it's not a game anymore, it's all about writing a story). So the referee would disturb that flow by trying to steer the story in his/her direction (wherein we find ourselves at our first problem in this argument of the pride issue in rps. Although this time, it's not pride, it's duty). See what I mean?

Also, Rekka, give us a break. We're not fighting or arguing, we're just discussing/debating the topic. Neither one of us has begun to insult or degrade the other, so don't turn this into something it isn't. Or at least, I've tried not to, there's a lot of miscommunication on the different definitions of rping here. So sorry Shen, no offense to you good friend. But if you don't appreciate it Rekk, then just skip over it.

So you see my point Shen?

Though the argument wavered off of the original point. I was arguing originally that rps becoming immature or childish when you have those kinds of players. Not it seems we're arguing the analogy I presented which purpose was to solve the problem of noobs trying to play the expression way.

Holy Krum Ok, I'm sorry, I didn't realize I went into this much detail. I'll stop this arguing thing now, it's gotten out of hand, I admit.