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 Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:12 am
could be difficult with hormagaunts in hth with your infantry...
Shoot the FAST ones!
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:39 pm
lol! All of these are good ideas.
Okay so here it is.
Specialize different units to deal with different problems!
Oh and Van.
If he is using warwalkers or a Tank to kill the big things than... they wont be tied up by Hormagaunts.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:21 pm
warwalkers will be... as walkers they are fighting hth normally
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:16 pm
Well my reasoning behindt he warwalkers was you wouldnt USUALLY throw warwalkers right where gaunts could get them.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:15 pm
one unit of warriors is really rather vunerable as the only hq choice, take them out, and unless he's lucky with leadership tests, his gaunts should either start falling back if he trys to move them, or be stuck lurking. so yeah, warriors, carni, then worry about the gaunts.
@ andreis: someone seriously said fire dragons for a carni? i know their tough, but that still seems like major overkill to me.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:30 pm
Its overkill, but there is no possible way it can survive. It is the only surefire way any infantry unit can take down a carnifex.
For the purposes of being able to transport them in a falcon lets say it is 5 firedragons and a fire dragon exarch. 6 S8 AP1 shots... the likeleyhood of a carnifex surviving that is the lower possible aside from having a unit of 10.
It is supposed to be total assurance of destruction.
If you NEED soemthing absolutely destroyed. Get some fire dragons.
Not much takes S8 AP1 Melta in multiples and lives....
And now I have to question why I dont own any. D:
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:30 am
my army list doesn't have any either, it has all aspects except fire dragons and shining spears. i can't see a carni standing up to a charging banshee squad either, especially with an exarch with mirror swords, i mean, thier low strength, but thats 5 armour save ignoring attacks just from the exarch.
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:35 pm
A figment of imagination my army list doesn't have any either, it has all aspects except fire dragons and shining spears. i can't see a carni standing up to a charging banshee squad either, especially with an exarch with mirror swords, i mean, thier low strength, but thats 5 armour save ignoring attacks just from the exarch. In which you have to roll sixes to wound. I am gonna do a test. Not a test CC, but a test for wounding likelyhood. This is assuming that the Carnifex has a basic stat-line without alterations. TEST 1 17 out of 23 hits. 0 out of 17 wounds. TEST 2 12 out of 23 hits. 3 out of 12 wounds. TEST 3 16 out of 23 hits. 1 out of 16 wounds. My point by this is, that is a gamble to pit howling banshees against a carnifex. (for those who dont know none of those killed a carnifex.) With that nice 23 power weapon attacks, it looks like it would work well, but it is still only Strength 3. To entertain myself I am going to proxy a close combat with Banshees charing a Carnifex of close to equal points value. I tried it out and the howling banshees didn't do much. They inflicted a few wounds before being broken and falling back with just 2 people left. I tested fire dragons and they tore the carnifex apart with just one round of shooting. This is all assuming that the situation that you choose to do this is was in YOUR FAVOR. The fire dragons were able to shoot unobscured at the carnifex and before he could eat them up. The howling banshees were on the charge and had no hinderance either. All of them got in 2" of the carnifex. It is, frankly, a BIG gamble to even try any eldar CC unit against a carnifex.
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:26 pm
I just found out something interesting.
I read about a Saim Hann eldar army vs. Tau on Tau online and the Saim hann emerged victorious. The Saim hann player fielded three wave serpents, carrying guardians and storm guardians aboard each and then it struck me. (Even though this battle was fought before the new codex)
In the new eldar codex, a guardian defender squad MUST take a heavy weapons platform, but in the old codex you couldn't fleet of foot or transport them if they had a platform!
Well after some digging through my codex and looking at fluff and army list entries I can find nothing against your lovely squad of 12 defenders with a bright lance loading up into a wave serpent.
So: In the new codex. You can fleet and transport even with a heavy weapon platform.
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:49 pm
remember carnifex can get T7, making him immune to banshees...
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:58 pm
Van Evok remember carnifex can get T7, making him immune to banshees... Indeed so. So yea. I stick with my thing. Fire dragons PWN carnifex.
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:27 am
Andreis I just found out something interesting. I read about a Saim Hann eldar army vs. Tau on Tau online and the Saim hann emerged victorious. The Saim hann player fielded three wave serpents, carrying guardians and storm guardians aboard each and then it struck me. (Even though this battle was fought before the new codex) In the new eldar codex, a guardian defender squad MUST take a heavy weapons platform, but in the old codex you couldn't fleet of foot or transport them if they had a platform! Well after some digging through my codex and looking at fluff and army list entries I can find nothing against your lovely squad of 12 defenders with a bright lance loading up into a wave serpent. So: In the new codex. You can fleet and transport even with a heavy weapon platform.
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:33 am
King Kento Andreis I just found out something interesting. I read about a Saim Hann eldar army vs. Tau on Tau online and the Saim hann emerged victorious. The Saim hann player fielded three wave serpents, carrying guardians and storm guardians aboard each and then it struck me. (Even though this battle was fought before the new codex) In the new eldar codex, a guardian defender squad MUST take a heavy weapons platform, but in the old codex you couldn't fleet of foot or transport them if they had a platform! Well after some digging through my codex and looking at fluff and army list entries I can find nothing against your lovely squad of 12 defenders with a bright lance loading up into a wave serpent. So: In the new codex. You can fleet and transport even with a heavy weapon platform. Yea. That reffers to LoS fire. Yea I had not really noticed! I mean. I had noticed you could fleet with them, but did not think about the transport thing.
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:43 pm
Andreis King Kento Andreis I just found out something interesting. I read about a Saim Hann eldar army vs. Tau on Tau online and the Saim hann emerged victorious. The Saim hann player fielded three wave serpents, carrying guardians and storm guardians aboard each and then it struck me. (Even though this battle was fought before the new codex) In the new eldar codex, a guardian defender squad MUST take a heavy weapons platform, but in the old codex you couldn't fleet of foot or transport them if they had a platform! Well after some digging through my codex and looking at fluff and army list entries I can find nothing against your lovely squad of 12 defenders with a bright lance loading up into a wave serpent. So: In the new codex. You can fleet and transport even with a heavy weapon platform. Yea. That reffers to LoS fire. Yea I had not really noticed! I mean. I had noticed you could fleet with them, but did not think about the transport thing. It aslo says in the first line of the weapon platform descriptive paragraph that a heavy weapon mounted on a platform counts as an assault weapon in all respects. Infantry moving and shooting with a heavy weapon? yes please!
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:48 pm
A figment of imagination Andreis King Kento Andreis I just found out something interesting. I read about a Saim Hann eldar army vs. Tau on Tau online and the Saim hann emerged victorious. The Saim hann player fielded three wave serpents, carrying guardians and storm guardians aboard each and then it struck me. (Even though this battle was fought before the new codex) In the new eldar codex, a guardian defender squad MUST take a heavy weapons platform, but in the old codex you couldn't fleet of foot or transport them if they had a platform! Well after some digging through my codex and looking at fluff and army list entries I can find nothing against your lovely squad of 12 defenders with a bright lance loading up into a wave serpent. So: In the new codex. You can fleet and transport even with a heavy weapon platform. Yea. That reffers to LoS fire. Yea I had not really noticed! I mean. I had noticed you could fleet with them, but did not think about the transport thing. It aslo says in the first line of the weapon platform descriptive paragraph that a heavy weapon mounted on a platform counts as an assault weapon in all respects. Infantry moving and shooting with a heavy weapon? yes please! Yea I remember that.
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