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writerserenyty

PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:03 am


4 octaves... eek

This is my 6th year of playing the clarinet, and the best I could do was 3 and a half. That was the best anyone could do!!!

Anyways, I GOT INTO WIND ENSEMBLE!!!! *dances around*. That's one audition that was a success...! Yay!!

biggrin biggrin biggrin
PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:17 am


Chocovash3
Miyoko Clarinetti
blaugh YAY! this saturday I'm getting a new mouth piece!!!!!!!! Going to this music store in L.A called RDG woodwinds...i think o.O;;;;;;

>w< I'm listening to my lesson and I find i'm improving uberly fast O_o;; =D, o_o yeahh randomness....

argh! i think my clarinet audition is next week =_=

had a scale test today during clarinet lessons gonk in my opinion I failed it, i got a three on my chromatic O_O X_X _(out of ten) and i think a 3 on my DMajor too O_O X_X for some reasons i have some slips o_O; crying i was playing it perfectly during the weekend too >_<

Miyoko, you know better than that! C'mon, you should be playing the chromatic scale in 4 octaves now at least


xD!!!! O_O CHOCOVASH MOTIVATING SOMEONE???????? eek eek woahhh

j/k xd

I can only do up to the high g...like all the other top 14 clarinets in my weird middle school band =_= I don't wanna risk doing the high g right now for my auditions though, for my chromatic is perfect up to high e o_o ::has been stupid enough to not practice up to high g for two months:: but I shall try high g

and thennnnnnn over the weekend...I SHALL TRY FOUR OCTAVES AND FAIL AT IT!!!!! XD

and then mmake chocovash listen to my horribleness and watch him critique away! whee

well...you can't kill someone whose been playing only for like two years or one and a half to play four octaves.........okay well maybe you can o.-;; I used to know i think 12 scales...or 14...iono but I forgot them eek when I quit lessons at the music store and waited to weeks for a new teacher (the one i have now)....maybe that was when i forgot it...or was it during all southern..? o_O;;;

btw...I need to record myself on my scales and solo piece and get someone (or mr. chocovash D= ) to listen to it a score it and all that...for i think my audition is next week eek Its not a good thing that my own teacher is doing the auditions...he's harsh as it is at scale tests...that reminds me of the scores I gave to one of fmy bestest friends when i was testing her a week ago...she got a 31 out of 80..................O_O she was that horrible........

wryterserenyty-Yey! good job whee whee

Chocolate ish Good


Flaming_Ninja_Dragon

PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:21 pm


Miyoko Clarinetti

I can only do up to the high g...
Wait a minute... *checks really old fingering chart that's nearly unreadable and falling apart* I thought the highest note on a clarinet was a high G. you know, the one that's quite a few lines above the staff with the really awkward fingering? If there are higher ones, then what are the fingerings?

and seriously, why are scales so important? Wouldn't it be more important for anyone to be capable of playing the music, instead of worrying about memorizing scales?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:20 pm


Flaming_Ninja_Dragon
Miyoko Clarinetti

I can only do up to the high g...
Wait a minute... *checks really old fingering chart that's nearly unreadable and falling apart* I thought the highest note on a clarinet was a high G. you know, the one that's quite a few lines above the staff with the really awkward fingering? If there are higher ones, then what are the fingerings?


There are a few higher. The high G is the highest that I can play, but there are more. All of them have really weird fingerings, and I don't know any of them. Up there, it gets to be pretty much inaudible squeaks.

writerserenyty


Ash Rail

PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:55 pm


Flaming_Ninja_Dragon
Miyoko Clarinetti

I can only do up to the high g...
Wait a minute... *checks really old fingering chart that's nearly unreadable and falling apart* I thought the highest note on a clarinet was a high G. you know, the one that's quite a few lines above the staff with the really awkward fingering? If there are higher ones, then what are the fingerings?

and seriously, why are scales so important? Wouldn't it be more important for anyone to be capable of playing the music, instead of worrying about memorizing scales?


Why are scales important?

Easy answer:
They train your ears and fingers.


You, miss, are thinking like Plato's Musica Instrumentalis.
That's something we need to work on.

Plato believed that the natural laws governing music were the same laws that govern all natural order.
Musical harmony exists on three levels.
Musica Mundana is the highest order of harmony. This is the natural and most pure harmony of the cosmos. The stars and planets exist in harmony through musica mundana. Plato saw music on a cosmic level.
Musica Humana, though not as high as Mundana, was the goal of human thought. The idea was that the greatest harmony humans were capable was the harmony coming from human science and philosophy.
Musica Instrumentalis is the lowest form of music. This is the "music" that we think of today. As Plato saw it, such harmony was meant purely for entertainment, thus at the bottom of his order.

When Platonic thought on the musics was applied to music in general, people came up with this new order for musicians.
The Musician Instrumentalis is someone who can only play the notes given to him. He is a slave to the works of others.
The Musician Humana is someone who can write his own music, but only at the academic level. He knows "how" but he doesn't know "why."
Finally--
The Musician Mundana is a master of harmonics. He has reached a point where he is one with harmony, thus one with natural order.

Taken into a more contemporary perspective, in my opinion one of the greatest modern examples of the Musician Mundana is John Coltrane.
He started out as a back up guy, a no name. He appeared on several recordings, playing for someone else. Eventually, he gained his reputation as a composer and jazz great. Still, he would later comment that his solos from this period in his career were often little more than applications of some technical concepts.
But at some point, he had an epiphany.
Even though a lot of people dislike his later work, his "Ascension" and A Love Supreme marked a turning point. Now Coltrane is known for all of his avante guard and experimental music. He's gone beyond conventional rules of music, to find something greater. What he heard in his head, conventional music couldn't replicate.

So how does all of this apply to scales?

If all you can do is play the notes written before you, then you are a slave to what is written there. You can get each notes, but you won't pick up on the overall idea.
If you practice your scales and arpeggios, you can hear what's going on.

Say for example you might see a chromatic run. So what if you can play it? Maybe you don't see why it's chromatic. Maybe you don't see that this run is leading you to a chord tone. Maybe you don't hear this line connects the third of one chord with the fifth of another. Maybe it's even leading you back to tonic.

Maybe you need to play this one phrase, but you don't realize that it's actually just outlining the B minor scale. It'll be so much harder to mess up if you can hear that B minor scale.
Then again... maybe you can learn something about what's going in the song because of how and where this scale is placed.



More Complicated answer:
Practicing scales and arpeggios will help train your ear to hear these kinds of things. When you can hear what's going on, everything becomes easier to play. Now you know why, not just how.

So please practice your scales. They will help you so much.
*just remember to do them in as many keys as you can do.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:24 pm


Ash Rail

*long post*

So please practice your scales. They will help you so much.
*just remember to do them in as many keys as you can do.

...and all of that, miss, boils down to the question, "What is the meaning of life?" There are actually many theories as to the meaning of life, some of which...
fixed. xd
anyway, thanks for the advice. On another note ,my algebra teacher yelled at me a few weeks ago because I asked her what I would use algebra for in real life.

I'll try to practice up on my scales. I can play pretty much every note on the clarinet that's written on my fingering chart that doesn't have all the notes. Although I only know the concert Bb and C scales, I'll try to learn more.

Flaming_Ninja_Dragon


Chocolate ish Good

PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:33 pm


no the highest is this

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I think my teacher played that note while explaining something i was like X_X...

yeah, usually the highest note a song will have for a clarinet is the G...atleast i think so...so alot of fingering charts go up to only G

ash rail-Lol wow I have learned something new today whee YAY! Lol scales are VERYYYY important, I first found out how important (i knew they were important but never knew just how important they were) they were back before winter break, I was looking at this piece my middle school's wind ensemble got called africa: ceremony and ritual, it looked VERY hard to me i was like O_O;!! It was a level four song (=D levels used to make me twitch, i ignore them now) but...

i sat down while waiting for my mom to pick me up, and looked at it, "is it me or is that the chromatic right there!? oh! lookie thats that one scale..." forgot what scales were hidden in it but it helped me understand the piece, i did that with mozart's clarinet concerto too but i kinda got all the scales mixed up x_x

so anyways, yup i totally agree, scales are important ^_^!! Makes our lives soo much easier biggrin

and say you're auditioning for a real good orch, or a college or something--they put this song you have to site read and it has all these fast rhythms and everything, most likely it'll be full of scales if you look closely ^_^

D= flaming_ninja_dragon! I thought you'd know that already O_O!!!! O.o i'm 13 and i know that...D= (no offense...i'm just surprised)
PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:45 pm


Hey. Be nice, Miyoko. Everyone doesn't know at some point.

That's very good that you're already recognizing these things in your music. I'm impressed.

Ash Rail


Chocolate ish Good

PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:59 pm


Ash Rail
Hey. Be nice, Miyoko. Everyone doesn't know at some point.

That's very good that you're already recognizing these things in your music. I'm impressed.


i'm harsh and proud blaugh should've seen the score i gave to the people i judged for a test o_O;;;;....well...it did sound that bad gonk and my own student couldn't even play her scales O_O i felt offended =_=


lol =D but whats odd is just two weeks ago i found out there is 48 scales

only two weeks ago

thats sad

very sad D=
PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:08 pm


There are actually many more than 48. Unless you aren't counting the different keys as different scales, that might be more reasonable.

Sorry.

Ash Rail


Chocolate ish Good

PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:00 pm


Ash Rail
There are actually many more than 48. Unless you aren't counting the different keys as different scales, that might be more reasonable.

Sorry.


O____O OMG HOW MANY MORE ARE THERE!????????
PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:13 pm


Enough to fill a fairly thick book my friend has.

I remember seeing like 4 different versions of the Locrian mode.


Good news is that unless you seriously get into jazz, you'd only be expected to know the major scales, and the minor scales in their different forms.

That's probably the 48 you're thinking of.

Though even more likely, you won't be asked about the harmonic and melodic minors for a very long time. Possibly even the natural minor.

Just get your twelve majors done with and you'll be set for awhile. If you can get those down, the minors won't be that hard.

Ash Rail


Chocolate ish Good

PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:35 pm


lol icic 3nodding

wahh1 so excited! whee whee I'm gonna get my new mouth piece tomorrow!!! I hope my tone will open up more...=/
PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:17 pm


Oh are you just picking one up, or are you going shopping? : )

Ash Rail


Chocolate ish Good

PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:44 pm


Ash Rail
Oh are you just picking one up, or are you going shopping? : )


going shopping for it rofl

I'M SO HAPPY! ::runs in circles::
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