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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:10 pm
Its a super dense organic ablative material, I had guessed that much already... I wasnt actually thinking of using it directly (for that very same reason), but using it for inspiration in a composite Ceramic (primarily dioxide based) which would reduce weight and improve thermal load efficiency, as well as mechanical shear strength and well just be one tough nut to crack... it wouldn't be looking at the organic material itself merely how it all bonds together, and it would give me a good excuse for where and how this material came about.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:27 pm
it came from the creature. he but i know what you mean. your going to have to view its genetic structure and posibly do research into its evolution and components. one part however is since he ate rock its to be figured that there skin is basicly organic rock. this also leads to the posability that depending on the minerals he eats his body will change in composition, this leads to the posability that if he eats reciouse metals or gems his body can eventualy change composition, if he managed to eat enough diamonds in a steady supply its posible he could eventualy take on an armor of diamond. this is all just ooc theory on my part but he could esentialy become one of the most valuable creatures in the universe.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:54 pm
When looking at material sciences, it has nothing to do with Genetics, I dont care how monolith came to be, I do care how hes essentially shown to defy structural strain on a given frame, and when one considers armor upgrades: what monolith just survived=holy-grail.
Armor of diamond =fail anyways its hard, yet brittle, has no ductility and would shatter easily. Even if it would be hard to cut, shear strength of diamond is low, if monolith was diamond or really anything but massive super dense steel alloys or handwavium (which is what Im assuming considering it pretty much ignored 200mm mortar blasts, ignored several thousand tons of water, and shrugged off a triple 6" artillery barrage to the head...) nothing wrong with handwavium, but its bad to make existing material correlations and then have them deny those, so no Id vote no on Diamond, or the second closest Alumina Oxide.
As for valuable, I'd say as a study project perhaps, but hes also too stupid to be co-operative, and Id much rather keep him unconscious at least till the several hundred billion gold cost Edana is repaired to seaworthy status...
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:57 pm
i didn't say there was any defence increase from diamonds, i said valvue, he would literaly become the world's largest diamond. geh i can just think of how many diamonds a day he would have to eat for a change like that to take place and to boot you couldn't let him eat anything else or it would change the effect. but this also would only happen if his body's chemical makeup changed depending on the minerals he has consumed.
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:15 pm
*realizes he desperately needs to do some power-armor designs*
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:25 pm
Power Armor eh? I would have thought you wouldn't care for it. Since you seem to have said somewhere "Mecha, GN, NO!" wink I usually lump them in the same category. Because a lot of power armor is a little too bulky and cumbersome to be used as Infantry.
Or Marines for that matter. I can only imagine how much a bother moving around in Power Armor would be in a cramped ship. sweatdrop
But I suppose I could help you come up with some designs if you wanted a brainstorm council. My Engineering sciences are weak though.
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:52 pm
Arcturus Highwind Power Armor eh? I would have thought you wouldn't care for it. Since you seem to have said somewhere "Mecha, GN, NO!" wink I usually lump them in the same category. Because a lot of power armor is a little too bulky and cumbersome to be used as Infantry. Or Marines for that matter. I can only imagine how much a bother moving around in Power Armor would be in a cramped ship. sweatdrop But I suppose I could help you come up with some designs if you wanted a brainstorm council. My Engineering sciences are weak though. Im generally against PA unless theres a shown need for that kind of force, considering my current romp with Monolith, yeah id say that kind of force may be warranted...
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:13 am
Monolith was more of a problem of Firepower... which would suggest to me that Power Armor wouldn't be a good choice to remedy it. After all, unless you're doing something like BattleTech Super Elementals, their payload would be fairly limited. It'd seem to me the most logical route would be for scientists to design a new AP type round for GN artillery based off tests done against the creature and the limitations of its shell.
But... Power Armor. Generally I like the Power Armors that are closer to something like Cyclone Ride Armor over Elementals. Smaller Frame, more limited payload. More like, well, Power Armor, than like the Mini-Mechs that are Elementals, RIFTS glitterboys, etc.
Of course... I'd have to consider the role the Power Armor would be created for. If it's heavy Assault against Monolith type things, than yeah, you would probably end up with something like a Glitterboy. Large, lots of armor. And probably one freakin' huge gun of Doomsday. Rail Guns and Lasers are a bit over done though. Maybe make it like say... the Hellbores from Star Trek? That would fit in with the Taking Down Heavy Targets role. Not to mention hellbores had a very long range, which would make up for a relatively slow, powerful ground based (Or perhaps some sort of Amphiban craft like Metal Gear Ray) Power Armor.
Hellbores were a Hydran weapon in Star Trek by the way. What they were was a sort of energy torpedo type weapon. You set the range before hand. When the Range is reached, the weapon breaks into a number of smaller projectiles which then attacked a target from all directions at once. Idea being to batter all the shield facings on a ship at once so they couldn't just reinforce a single section against your assault. I suppose the same principle would hold for Monolith like targets. It can't just turn it's more heavily armored back on you and take the beating, etc. And as everywhere is geting pounded at once it'd be easier to detect and exploit a c***k the armor.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:45 am
I could have ideas on how to develop a high speed light power armor with lots of fire power. I also have an idea for a balistic stiker heavy powerarmor which the idea came from dirty pair flash in the 3rd season. It contains a nuclear generator for its power supply. its has a energy field which would make a a Top class superdreadnougth cry (i'm not kidding about this things shield they literaly had to blast it with a satelite oribital station grade energy cannon which was in the bottom of the base to break threu the energy shield it had) not to mention laser eqiped drone bits, a fexible high intensity beam laser, a load out of 80 medium missiles, heavy chain gun built into the arm, i don't recal if it shot energy shots or solid ammo. high speed thrusters and antigrav pads in the legs. i remember the villian who was useing it said something about without the right training for it anyone who pilots it will snap there spine. I'm not sure why thou.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:08 am
Because with a payload like that you'd talking about something that probably has the weight of a Nuclear Submarine... in power armor size... that'd be so super dense...
You realize with the exception of the Zentraedi.... Power Armor really doesn't get bigger than 10 feet in height. Any more than that and it's "Mecha" (After all, according to the original sources the Gundams were only 12 feet tall). One of the primary requirements and distinctions between Mecha and Power Armor is how you Pilot it. Power Armor is generally piloted by just moving your body inside it. Mecha are not.
I can't imagine how you could build a Power Armor like that without, I dunno, Pocket Dimensions. Hell, the Nuclear Reactor alone would take up a lot of the alotted space. Unless you wanted to use something like the Fusion Battery instead. Even then it'd be cumbersome. And that's not even talking about the 80 medium missiles (4 feet long each generally...).
Also Power Armor tends not to have weapons "Built In" as often as it has Hand Held weapons or weapons that snap on.
Eh... Point is... it'd probably have to be a Mecha... Something like a MAC II, or I dunno, a tank the size of "Dead Reckoning" from Land of the Dead to fit all the armament and power supply on it.
Plus... as a GM and Antagonist (As I'm usually in that role) I would so shoot down that design. Generally anytime you say something like "Needs to be directly hit by Orbital Laser bombardment just to break its shields".... yeah, that's a No Go.
Compare to say, the design fof this Power Armor.
Size is 8 feet tall. The Power Armor is made of relatively light weight materials, specced to have a "Near Human" balance and proportion to make it easier to Pilot. The Head Unit is where the Sensors package is, as well as the comm equipment, and the most heavily armored section as that's where the pilot's head is. His arms are in the arms, his legs in the legs (Though too short for most to hit the ground). Inside the armor is thickly padded to help absorb shock and keep the pilot more or less stationary in the armor. With only a small room for a tube to drink out of and a small pouch of water behind his head. (Not to mention a bag for fluids and waste coming out the other end...) It's only Built In armament is a long rifle, which is mounted on a 360 degree swivel from the left or right shoulder (Pilot's choice), so that if the Pilot needs his hands free he can drop his weapon without losing it, and retrieve it quickly. Has four small Manuevering jets to help with Free Fall manuevers, space operations, or Underwater. The unit is a self contained enviroment capable of sustaining life for 4 hours in inhospitable enfiroments where air scrubbers, etc, can't work. (Radiaton, space, nerve gasses, underwater, etc)
Other than that, no standard equipmet.
I actually consider it a pretty average armor. The all rounder. Good for a Superiority Role, rather than just mobile Artillery or some Melee swording with Light Sabers.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:54 am
i'm not sure about some of the stuff since i have not watched that episode in about a year. but i know they got to one of the building armorys to the biggest guns from it and emptyed every single round at it and they couldn't weaken the shields. the boss of the 2 girls even set his own power armor to self descrtuct sent it raming at the bad guy and jumped off and it didn't effect the shield. hwoever his power armor looked like a motor cycle with ostrich legs and arms with a big bullet proof face plate in front.
and kei literaly whent into the basement hooked up a n bunch of cables to the cannon which i belive was called the thunder hammer as yuri and tehre boss whent to the roof and when she got it setup she fired it blew half the buidling away and the power armor's shield withstood the blast for about 3 seconds. after that the bad guy and the pwoer armor just disolved.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:24 am
Cyclone=no, blah transformable armor make my head hurt...
...and to be honest, yes I do like elementals (we also have a good IC reference source for their construction and repair as well), however I'm not into the whole proto-mech craze and prefer to cap off powered armor at around 9 feet (or to be more precise: 3 meters which is a little more than 9 feet) in absolute height. Though my current design plan will probably cap out at a about ~8 feet. The actual need comes from the fact that other than the Edana, and Dock stations No heavy weapons were available to assist in the pummeling, had heavy weapons been available sooner -especially in a amphibious form- this might have ended sooner, and more efficiently. Plus I already have light power armor, of the infantry side style thats really not much of power armor except that it allows slightly heavier armament, and armor, but not a whole lot more than normal, after all I cant just use all heavy power armor, Ive got too many tight spaces they wouldn't fit in.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:10 am
Actually when I was mentioning Cyclones I ment something of the relative size and power of a Cyclone in Power Armor form, not something transformable. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:23 am
razz the very name gives me a headache.. transforming bicycles my engineering a**.. wink
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:48 am
Eh, it was the only thing I could think of of the relative size and power I wanted to mention. Or rather, the only one likely to be recognized.
If I said something like Exoskeleton you probably wouldn't recall that show. You'd probably think of something like the machines from The Matrix before you knew what I was talking about.
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