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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:19 pm
Lol, now I really want to watch Wayne's World...And since I own it, I shall do just that! Peace.
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:50 pm
Thee Stranger Well, I'm the same way. I like to have a physical copy of my media. I like having a case and a collection and all that. Unfotunately, we're the minority. Well, still enough to keep HMV (or the American alternative of that store) in business. The best thing to do, if you wanna go that extra step to support those retailers is buy people DVDs as gifts, lol. Nobody's gonna be mad at you if you give them Die Hard for Christmas. Thee Stranger Well, I don't know. I mean, I'd agree that PS3 has caught up in terms of kick-a** exclusives, but that's the thing: they both have kick-a** exclusives. I'm not saying that you can't be perfectly happy with just the PS3's exclusives or just the 360's exclusives, or even the Wii's for that matter. But me, personally, if I didn't own all three *shrugs*, I'd feel like I'm missing out. Yeah, but it's like that either way. I mean, am I missing out on Alan Wake? Sure, but there never has been a single original title that was a must have for me. Not Uncharted, not Metal Gear Solid, not Resident Evil... Those are the titles that make me fall in love with the game in the first place, and then, when the sequel comes along, THEN it's a must have. But it's not like I have any attachment to Alan Wake, or those big guys from Gears of War, or whatever. Besides, I mean, money, money, money, dude. First of all, you gotta buy the consoles at $200 - $300 a pop. THEN, you gotta buy all those games... Look at it this way, the fact that I don't own a 360, I'm saving myself $60 by not buying Alan Wake. Same goes for crappy games. I mean, I was looking forward to Alpha Protocol a LOT, but it's getting very mediocre reviews. I'll still rent it, but if I don't like it, that's $55 that I didn't have to spend on it. It sucks that something I wanted isn't good, but at the same time, I'm almost happy to save money and NOT play a game. Thee Stranger Gah. I hate Mario Party. xd Well, I don't hate it, there's just too much bullshit randomness to it. You could be winning through the whole thing and just get completely ******** at the end. But I did always win at any mini game that required you to mash the A button as fast as you could. Thanks, Torture Chamber MGS. Wow... So the only Mario games that I actually miss quite a bit are the ones you hate? lol. Interesting. Thee Stranger I know exactly what you mean. I'm not so sure if it's the size of the game, or the fact that the game itself doesn't really ever put you in a position that requires you to use those mechanics. However, the online mode presents a few more. And I'd be down with that whole thing you were talking about. Yeah, but even online, I rarely find myself saying, "This is a good place to lay down the porno mag." Except that one time, when I was so into it, that I actually said, "Deploy the porno mag," which was a really weird choice of verb... Thee Stranger Again, no. I simply said that Mario is a big deal to me because his games are fun. I don't understand how that equates in your head as, "Mario is fun and no other games are". Or, "Mario is the funnest game in the world, and no other games are even close to being as fun as Mario". First off, I play (and enjoy immensely) many of the same franchises as you do. So why would you even think I would say that? I mean, how the hell am I supposed to answer that question, dude? The deep, engrossing narrative? That is certainly not Mario's strong suit. I do not play Mario games for a storyline. If Mario was just a cartoon show or something, I certainly wouldn't be watching it, or getting excited for it. Mario simply has very fun, addicting gameplay. And he pretty much always has. That's it. It just seems like a filler franchise to me. Like, between the Metroids and the Zeldas, when Nintendo needs to reel in more cash, they release a new Mario game. Thee Stranger And really, there's no way I could possibly answer that question satisfactorily to you. Anything I tell you isn't gonna make you "get" why Mario is a big deal to me. I think you simply come from a different school of thought when it comes to videogames than I do. I think you probably weren't very big into videogames before the Playstation era. Not that you didn't game at all before then, but my money says you really didn't get into videogames until the 3D age. Gaming to you, for the most part, must immerse you into the role of a character of some kind that you can identify with on some level, and provide an engrossing storyline to see through. And chances are some fat little plumber in mushroom land isn't really something you can get immersed in. So, not true. I've been playing old arcade games since I was like 2 years old. And I had an NES and a Sega Genesis with roughly... I dunno, 20 games for each at any given time. But man, when I played my first game that actually had an in-game cinematic, with voice overs and everything... It was like a switch... It simply changed the way I saw video games. Plus, I dunno... I tend to play video games like an actor. I tend to get inside the character's mind, and try to think like the character. And maybe that's why I need a little more interesting of a drive than "Save the princess from the dragon." Thee Stranger Like I said, I've played God of War and I've played Halo, and I don't get why those games are a huge deal. You can sit here and type a ten page essay about why it's a big deal to you, but that's not gonna make me understand it any better. Neither Halo nor God of War have an engrossing storyline to me. The character of Kratos is shallow and boring as ******** to me. Just like Master Chief. On top of that, God of War's gameplay is nothing phenomenal to me. The combat is pretty much just a button-mashing fest when it's not a QTE. You're pretty much just watching a cutscene and hitting a few buttons to it. Is this an action game or a rhythm game? God of War is simply technologically impressive. The sheer scale of it, the sizes of the bosses, all that... It's honestly, the single most epic game I've ever played. But hey, you don't get that, I'm not gonna go on. Thee Stranger And Halo, well, it's an FPS. But aside from that, I don't really care for its unique weaponary, or the fact that the big evil aliens that inhabit it... half of them are midgets and sound like muppets. Something like that might fit in a Mario-esq game that has that kind of whimsical style, but for an adult space epic like Halo, I just can't take these enemies very seriously. I did enjoy the original Halo, but it's nothing I can get fanatical about. It's just a matter of taste. Well, I don't either, so don't ask me about Halo. If I was gonna play an FPS, I'd rather play something a bit more down to earth, like The Darkness, which I wanna get, it's like 7.99 at EB games, used. Thee Stranger I haven't played Bayonetta, but certain reviews also gave MGS4 a 10/10. And whether you feel it deserves it or not, I was simply pointing out to Chase that the thing is getting glowing reviews across the board. IGN and Gamespot are not the only reviews that awarded it a perfect score. So, regardless of whether or not it deserves the 10s it's getting, judging by the sheer number of glowing reviews that have given it a very high-to-perfect score, it's probably going to be a pretty good ******** game. And in order to gain such high scores, I would think it was probably doing something a little more than just more of the same. Just sayin'. RE4 got an average of 9.6 I believe. And while I'm not denying that at its core mechanics, it's a good game, the point is, it got higher reviews that other games that were MUCH better than it. Honestly, Snake Eater/Subsistence was so much better than RE4 in terms of its mechanics and conventions. I mean, like I said, there wasn't enough game there to even explore all the features. That's like... People complain about games being repetitive, but MGS3 in a sense, wasn't repetitive ENOUGH. There was too much to it, and too little time to do it all. But that's where the replay value comes in I guess. Either way, point is, it's not just about what gets a good review, it's about what gets a better review than the other game that's actually better. I mean, I was actually pleasantly shocked that God of War 3 got a whole point higher than FF13, on average. It was just weird that the critics weren't riding Final Fantasy d**k for once. Pardon the imagery.
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:00 pm
I really, really hate the ice world in Shattered Memories.
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:05 pm
AngelaAshford I really, really hate the ice world in Shattered Memories. It's not so bad. Once you know your way around.
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:57 pm
Well...My plans for moving out this summer have fallen through... crying crying crying
The three "eager" candidates I had for potential roomies ALL backed out...Seems they're not ready to give up sucking their mothers...Anyways, I could always go solo and get a room at the YMCA, but where would the fun in that be?
*Sigh*
Since I'm not moving out, and since my ma was just recently laid off, I decided to be the good child that I am and give her my wages during her downtime. She got so effing emotional, which I so effing hate (I'm not down with the whole kisses and hugs and saying 'I love you" shi* because I'm neither a physical contact person or one who believes that I love you needs to be said on a daily basis).
I hope she finds a new job soon, or I'm gonna have a broke as* summer...
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I'ma gonna go slip into mild depression somewhere...
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:20 pm
Chase Me To The End Well...My plans for moving out this summer have fallen through... crying crying crying The three "eager" candidates I had for potential roomies ALL backed out...Seems they're not ready to give up sucking their mothers...Anyways, I could always go solo and get a room at the YMCA, but where would the fun in that be? *Sigh* Since I'm not moving out, and since my ma was just recently laid off, I decided to be the good child that I am and give her my wages during her downtime. She got so effing emotional, which I so effing hate (I'm not down with the whole kisses and hugs and saying 'I love you" shi* because I'm neither a physical contact person or one who believes that I love you needs to be said on a daily basis). I hope she finds a new job soon, or I'm gonna have a broke as* summer... ... I'ma gonna go slip into mild depression somewhere... Aww come on. At least you have... Umm... us... Oh hey, we got a bunch of recordings done today. Here's one of our songs! It's the most thrashy one, and it's so not my forte. The other ones are a lot more operatic and melodic, but they're not quite ready yet. http://www.myspace.com/celsiusofficial
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:47 pm
Biohazard EXTREME AngelaAshford I really, really hate the ice world in Shattered Memories. It's not so bad. Once you know your way around. Play it on the Wii. You're going to get as pissed as I did when the motion controls didn't register when you need to shake off the monsters from your sides.
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:51 pm
AngelaAshford Play it on the Wii. You're going to get as pissed as I did when the motion controls didn't register when you need to shake off the monsters from your sides. Oh, you got the Wii version? My bad, I didn't even realize that you had a Wii, I thouhgt you ordered the PS2 version, since it's difficult to find in stores (apparently?) Yeah, my friend tells me that the Wii version is problematic in the Ice World. Ironically, shaking them off on the PS2 and the PSP version is TOO easy I think. But still, if you know your way around, you'll rarely even get grabbed.
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:32 pm
Yeah I've had mine or like 3 years.
Glad to see I'm not the only one that has problems with that. I'm going to need to go to my local game store sometime this week to see if they'll try to repair the disc. I get to the part with the glass walls, and I'll get disc errors at random times.
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:12 pm
Weird. Well, I haven't had any problems, but then mine's the PS2 version, and my PSP version is digital. Looks like I'm pretty close to finishing Lunar, so hopefully it'll be another JRPG that I actually get to finish. Then maybe I'll check out Hexyz Force. After I beat the new MGS a couple of times, of course.
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:50 pm
Oi, I'll get to supplying some constructive criticism to Rats in the Wall by tomorrow, k mate? And although I may not be a progressive metal aficionado (Nor Thrash for the matter), I think I can still supply you with some knowledgeable advice, being the uber general Rock enthusiast that I am. =D
But to put it quickly, in a nutshell the song sounded a little amateurish in some areas while totally kick a** in others. But since you said Thrash isn't your forte, that's understandable.
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:51 pm
@ Angela: I forgot to reply earlier. Anyway, yeah, $40 for Dreamcast RE2 is a little steep, especially considering that it released at $20. That's the main reason I hate the 'Cube port so much. It released at $40, and I bought it. Only to discover that it was a crappy port, and inferior to the DC version which released at half the price.
@ Chase: For someone living with their mother (against their will no less), that's the manliest thing I think you could possibly do. I commend you, and hope your mom can find a job soon. Damn this economy. But I hear ya, I never feel comfortable when my mom is all emotional.
And back to Bio:
Is fyi the equivalent of the american HMV...?
Okay, but you might gain an attachment if you actually play something like Alan Wake. Also, I highly recommend Deadly Premonition. For $20, that game is ******** awesome. If you're a fan of oldschool survival horror, B horror flicks, good writing and uniqueness, you're gonna love this game. The graphics are last-gen, and hell, it even plays last-gen. But for me, that's nothing to complain about. I'd especially recommend this game to Chase, as he has an affection for off-the-wall stuff like No More Heroes. The main character is also something of an 80s horror movie aficionado, and he will talk about regularly with Zach (who I think is supposed to be the player?). And you actually can get it for the PS3, and play it in English (not sure if it has the English voice or not), if you import it. It's called Red Seeds Profile there. But it's probably gonna cost you more than the bargain $20 price tag. But I'm rambling. Anyway, yeah, even when you have all three consoles, you're still gonna have that age old problem of too many games, not enough money OR time. So either way, you still have to pick and choose. But your options are less limited.
That IS something. xd
Haha. That is awesome. When I finally break down and get a headset for the PS3, I'm totally gonna hop on MGO and use that. xD I camp like a mother ******** on MGO. But given that it's a Metal Gear game, I think hiding is appropraite. I love the jungle areas, because I got sick camo, and I just lay on my back and crawl into a thick brush and just pop people with my shotgun as they pass by. And they can never find me.
Sorry, but that's just not true. Not in the case of the main Mario games. You can see all the work that they put into things like Mario Galaxy. They meticulously and lovingly craft those games. Now the Mario Party games, I would consider s**t like that filler. I couldn't name you any distinguishable differences between Mario Party 7 and Mario Party 28.
Okay, so I was slightly off about the ladder, but not so much the former. I got my first taste of cutscenes with the Sega CD. s**t like Lunar, while the Sega CD custscenes may not seem like much today, they blew us away at the time. I mean there was that, and SNES and Genesis. Nothing compared. My first truly cinematic experience was probably Snatcher. And hell, I even enjoyed some of the FMV games that everybody tears the Sega CD up about. At the time, it was the new frontier of gaming. I could see how one who wasn't there could look back and say "what, why?" I guess you would have just had to have been there. Blah. I'm rambling again. Aaaaanyway. It's not saving the princess from the dragon that's the draw. It's how we get there that counts.
Okay... but I would also argue that Super Mario Galaxy is impressive in size and scope. But hey, you don't get that.
I think I'm going to check out the Resistance games soon. I hear nothing but good things about them.
Um, alright. I don't want to get into RE4 again, but we all know it was a huge influence on the industry. From MGS4 to Uncharted. That's nothing against MGS3, but RE4 was a game changer. I don't think MGS3 was. And since you haven't played Galaxy 2, what basis do you have as to whether or not it deserves its scores, or what should have gotten a higher score?
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:41 pm
Thee Stranger Is fyi the equivalent of the american HMV...? I guess you guys have it there too, huh? lol Thee Stranger Okay, but you might gain an attachment if you actually play something like Alan Wake. Yeah, but you can say that about any game, including ones for the Wii too. And yeah, if you can easily afford the luxury of owning all three consoles, then it's a different story entirely. And yeah, I can't really play Alan Wake, am I missing out? Sure. I'm missing out. But am I missing out on much? I don't think so. I mean, it's one or two franchises that are out of my hands, but that's exchanging it for two OTHER franchises that I DO have access to. And we're talking about God of War, Ratchet and Clank and Metal Gear Solid, which I was ALREADY following before the PS3 even came out. So I'd rather not miss out on those I'm already loyal to. But either way, like I said, there's Gears of War and Alan Wake, and those are the only two 360 franchises that I think I'm missing out on, but I'd still prefer to have Uncharted and Heavy Rain over those. And yeah, there's other games out there like Deadly Premonition, but the PS3 has Siren: Blood Curse. Not that I'm EXTREMELY interested in it, but even if I was running short on PS3 excusives to play, I could always get inFamous and enjoy that. And those are just the games that are on my radar. If I counted stuff like Little BIG Planet, Gran Turismo, and other genres that I'm not particularly interested in... My point is, I'm pretty sure that by now, the PS3 is pretty caught up with the 360. And I'm talking purely about good games. The 360 has had SO many exclusives that just sucked, that it's nothing to brag about. All I'm saying is that by now, 2010, I don't think we're at the point where the PS3 is the underdog anymore. I'd say it's at the exact same place, where Xbox 360 would have been, had they come out at the same time. Thee Stranger Haha. That is awesome. When I finally break down and get a headset for the PS3, I'm totally gonna hop on MGO and use that. xD I camp like a mother ******** on MGO. But given that it's a Metal Gear game, I think hiding is appropraite. I love the jungle areas, because I got sick camo, and I just lay on my back and crawl into a thick brush and just pop people with my shotgun as they pass by. And they can never find me. But still, Online play is naturally more fast paced than playing single player, and because of that, I think it's probably impossible to have the exact same experience online as you do in single player mode. Thee Stranger Sorry, but that's just not true. Not in the case of the main Mario games. You can see all the work that they put into things like Mario Galaxy. They meticulously and lovingly craft those games. Yeah, but I just pegged that for budget. But still, Mario Galaxy is the biggest Mario game today, so yeah, I wouldn't deny that it's the most enjoyable one of them all. But considering games like the New Super Mario Bros Wii, or whatever, that kind of stuff seems like filler to me. And honestly? I thought it was ******** ridiculous that Mario Kart for the Wii actually sold 8 million units. Thee Stranger Now the Mario Party games, I would consider s**t like that filler. I couldn't name you any distinguishable differences between Mario Party 7 and Mario Party 28. I half a gree. Like, I do think there's no point in owning all of them. It's thoroughly enjoyable, but you don't need every single one. It's more of a, "Get the most recent one and you're set." kinda deal. Thee Stranger Okay, so I was slightly off about the ladder, but not so much the former. I got my first taste of cutscenes with the Sega CD. s**t like Lunar, while the Sega CD custscenes may not seem like much today, they blew us away at the time. I mean there was that, and SNES and Genesis. Nothing compared. My first truly cinematic experience was probably Snatcher. And hell, I even enjoyed some of the FMV games that everybody tears the Sega CD up about. At the time, it was the new frontier of gaming. I could see how one who wasn't there could look back and say "what, why?" But even back in the NES days... My very favorite NES game of all time and still to this day is Double Dragon 2. And one thing I especially loved about that game was that between every level, there'd be a mini slide show with narrative to it. Primitive cinematics, so to speak, that helped to drive the story along. And hell, not only did I not speak English when I first played it, but the version I had was in Japanese anyway, so I didn't really need to understand what it said, the pictures spoke a thousand words. Point is, there was something outside the main gameplay that drove the story along. It's not so much the STORY itself that enticed me (about games in general) it's things that helped turn an avatar into an actual character. I'm not playing as a dude who beats up bad guys, I'm playing as a guy named Billy Lee who's trying to save his love interest from some Martial Arts crime lord. That's why I liked Disney games a lot back then, like Chip & Dale Rescue Rangers, because I've seen the shows, and I already knew the characters. And as much as I loved the original Super Mario Bros, you think I ever beat it? No, because there was no motivation to do so. It was just obstacles that got progressively more difficult. And yes, in the exact same way as a game of Tetris gets more difficult. It was fun, but I didn't care about how it ends. Thee Stranger Okay... but I would also argue that Super Mario Galaxy is impressive in size and scope. But hey, you don't get that. Hey, honestly? From what I've seen, it's nothing extremely impressive. Like, not by today's standards. Here's the thing, people talk about how Revolutionary Mario is, and don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to diss it right now. But that whole concept of going from planet to planet, visiting a variety of different worlds and environments, jumping from moon to moon, things like that? Ratchet and Clank did that way before Mario Galaxy was around. And if you wann dig, yes, that concept has been around for a long time, like even games like Ristar come to mind. So there's really nothing revolutionary about the Mario Galaxy concept. If it's fun, it's fun. But I don't think Mario should be revered as the platformer that's always miles ahead of other platformers in its ideas. Thee Stranger I think I'm going to check out the Resistance games soon. I hear nothing but good things about them. Well, I beat the first one... As much as I suck at FPS games. I just used duck and cover a lot. It was pretty fun. Certainly gave me my fix of commandos battling evil bug alien creatures, which I had a craving for back then. Haven't checked out the second one, but it looked so much more epic. Thee Stranger Um, alright. I don't want to get into RE4 again, but we all know it was a huge influence on the industry. From MGS4 to Uncharted. That's nothing against MGS3, but RE4 was a game changer. I don't think MGS3 was. MGS3 still pushed the conventions of stealth games forward by a lot. Its food, camo and healing mechanics have never been done before. Not to that extent anyway. Just because nobody decided to rip it off doesn't make it a worse game than RE4. And even if RE4 was this big revolutionary title, I'm talking purely from the PS2 perspective here. The graphics on the PS2 version of RE4 were underwhelming, the gameplay wasn't as fluid and fun, and the GameCube version has been out for... What? At least 6 months before it came out. But even not counting those factors, RE4 wasn't nearly as deep or fulfilling as MGS3. And it's not like RE4 didn't rip off every other game franchise itself, in its design and conventions. Everything from Zelda, to Battletoads, to the very same MGS with its radio conversations. Subtle. And hell, even that Merchant system that you say MGS4 ripped off, I mean, that's been around for ages in RPGS, and even Survival Horror/RPGS like Parasite Eve 2. So it's not like it was anything new. RE4 simply happened to get the most hype. Thee Stranger And since you haven't played Galaxy 2, what basis do you have as to whether or not it deserves its scores, or what should have gotten a higher score? Well, because I highly doubt that Mario Galaxy 2 is a better game than MGS4. Now, they're very different, sure, but point is, I don't even think MGS4 deserved a perfect 10. EDIT: Well, I just finished Lunar. Which as I've said, is the first JRPG I've beaten since Persona 4, even though I've actually played at least 5. So that says good things. It didn't have a complex storyline, extremely deep characters, or crazy plot twists like Final Fantasy or Persona, but you know what? I kind of like that. It was simple, it wasn't very long, but it had great pacing and memorable characters, and didn't require extreme grinding. I've always wanted to play it. So them remaking it for the PSP was very good for me. Next JRPG on my list is Hexyz Force.
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:12 pm
Well, I got my first 360 for just $40 from my brother. But it was the lowest-end model, and didn't have a hard drive or any backwards compatablity. Then I got my Elite for just $100... Um, some druggie fiend I know stole it from the Best Buy warehouse and sold it to me. So I got all my 360s cheap. xd And I only payed $150 for my Wii. I haven't gotten Alan Wake yet so I can't really speak on it, but you should definitely play Deadly Premonition. And I have played SIREN: Blood Curse, and it was a pretty good game, but I enjoyed Deadly Premontion a lot more. And like I said, you can import it on the PS3. eBay it up sometime or somethin' and see if you can find it fairly cheap. I'm tellin' ya. Trust me. You would love this game, Bio. But like I said, they both have good exclusives under their belts. Depending on your personal preference, you may either enjoy the 360s or the PS3s exclusives more. That's up to you to decide. I'm just glad I got 'em both for certain titles. I pretty much use my 360 just for exclusives.
Well, it is. But I certainly found myself using a lot more techniques that I didn't really utilize in single player on the online mode. CQC for instance.
Well, I think the end goal of any company producing a new installment in a big name franchise or whatever is profit. *shrugs* And I have Mario Kart Wii... I liked it. It's the best Mario Kart yet. It was certainly ten times better than the Gamecube one.
Yeah, it's kinda like sports games.
You should have played Golgo13. That was an SNES game with quite a bit of story. And it even had a sex scene. Yes, a sex scene in an NES game. Well, it didn't show anything but a silhouette before the curtains closed, but you definitely got the idea. Also, Mickey Mouse used to have some kick a** games. Mickey Mania on Sega CD was a classic. What happened there? And again, I don't watch Mickey.
Eh. Whatever. From what I've seen, God of War 3 doesn't look very impressive. And yes, I have seen some of this "epicness" in motion. And my thoughts are "meh". And okay then, but Sonic Adventure 2 did it way before Ratchet and Clank. *shrugs* Mario Galaxy is no Sonic Adventure 2, and it is no Ratchet and Clank. And the basic concept is not the sum of all its parts. I'm not going to argue with you about whether or not it's revolutionary; that wasn't the argument I brought to the table in the first place. And coincidentally, if you're approaching your video game character like an actor or whatever, R&C are still platforming games with cute little cartoon characters as the main protragonists.
All I know was some s**t that my brother was telling me about the second one, and it sounds really ******** badass. But I don't want to play the second one until I've beaten the first. So I'll have to start there.
I won't deny that MGS3 pushed the conventions of the stealth genre. And I'm not going to argue whether or not MGS3 was a better game than RE4. As a whole, when taking in all of its parts, I myself would probably put MGS3 over RE4, thanks to RE4's storyline. But it is undeniable that RE4 had a much larger impact, and a much bigger influence. And was, in the end, more important to the gaming industry as a whole. I see RE4's influence just about everywhere nowadays. And in games that you yourself hail as some of the best games of this generation, MGS4 and Uncharted included. I never played the PS2 version of RE4. I pre-ordered it on the 'Cube and got it release day. So I cannot speak on the PS2 version, but that doesn't really have any bearing on my argument. I'm not sure where Battletoads comes in as an RE4 influence, and I've never said that RE4 was completely original. But it was revolutionary. Pretty much all videogames borrow certain elements from each other. There's a difference between that and a complete rip-off. I certainly don't consider either MGS4 or Uncharted complete rip-offs of RE4, but RE4's influence is definitely present. And those games would not exist as they do today without RE4. So whatever high grades RE4 got, be it a 9.6 to a 10, it probably deserved them. And yes, I don't care what you say, Drebin is MGS4's Merchant. He is just done in a (slightly) more intelligent manner. You never purchased weapons from a dealer of any sort in any MGS game before RE4 came along. The over-the-sholder aiming mechanic was also never present in MGS before RE4 came along and pioneered it. The codec in RE4 is indeed an MGS ripoff. but that doesn't have any impact on the gameplay itself. It's not like you could just call Hunnigan any time you wanted.
And lets just not even compare MGS4 to Mario Galaxy 2. They are completely different games. Maybe they are rating it a 10 as a platformer. Not a Stealth Action game.
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:40 pm
Thee Stranger Well, I got my first 360 for just $40 from my brother. But it was the lowest-end model, and didn't have a hard drive or any backwards compatablity. Then I got my Elite for just $100... Um, some druggie fiend I know stole it from the Best Buy warehouse and sold it to me. So I got all my 360s cheap. xd And I only payed $150 for my Wii. Well, we don't all have awesome contacts like that. Thee Stranger I haven't gotten Alan Wake yet so I can't really speak on it, but you should definitely play Deadly Premonition. And I have played SIREN: Blood Curse, and it was a pretty good game, but I enjoyed Deadly Premontion a lot more. And like I said, you can import it on the PS3. eBay it up sometime or somethin' and see if you can find it fairly cheap. Erm... Import it from where? I didn't even think a PS3 version of it existed at all. At least I can't find it. Thee Stranger But like I said, they both have good exclusives under their belts. Depending on your personal preference, you may either enjoy the 360s or the PS3s exclusives more. That's up to you to decide. I'm just glad I got 'em both for certain titles. I pretty much use my 360 just for exclusives. Yeah, but it's pretty fuzzy. I mean, it's one thing if one console had all the exclusive racing games, sports games and FPS games, and 360 had exclusive platformers, 3rd person shooters, and RPGs. Then yeah, it's a heavy line of what type of games you like. But right now there's still a fair amount of every type of game on each. Thee Stranger Well, it is. But I certainly found myself using a lot more techniques that I didn't really utilize in single player on the online mode. CQC for instance. CQC is a bit of a pain in the a** in MGS4, which sucks, because it was so awesome in MGS3, and even Portable Ops. But it could have been programmed differently, like the melee system in Uncharted 2, which is drastically different on the single and online modes. Same with a few other mechanics. Thee Stranger Well, I think the end goal of any company producing a new installment in a big name franchise or whatever is profit. *shrugs* And I have Mario Kart Wii... I liked it. It's the best Mario Kart yet. It was certainly ten times better than the Gamecube one. Still, 8 million units within a year of release? Of course, it could be because 80% of Wii racing games are garbage. Or at least were by this time last year. Since then, I've been a little less in the loop. Thee Stranger You should have played Golgo13. That was an SNES game with quite a bit of story. And it even had a sex scene. Yes, a sex scene in an NES game. Well, it didn't show anything but a silhouette before the curtains closed, but you definitely got the idea. Also, Mickey Mouse used to have some kick a** games. Mickey Mania on Sega CD was a classic. What happened there? And again, I don't watch Mickey. Kingdom Hearts happened. Thee Stranger Eh. Whatever. From what I've seen, God of War 3 doesn't look very impressive. And yes, I have seen some of this "epicness" in motion. And my thoughts are "meh". Still, it's different to see something and to experience it. Also, no offense, but if you're not impressed with the scale of God of War, I don't see how you could be with Shadow of the Colossus... Thee Stranger And okay then, but Sonic Adventure 2 did it way before Ratchet and Clank. *shrugs* Mario Galaxy is no Sonic Adventure 2, and it is no Ratchet and Clank. And the basic concept is not the sum of all its parts. I'm not going to argue with you about whether or not it's revolutionary; that wasn't the argument I brought to the table in the first place. And coincidentally, if you're approaching your video game character like an actor or whatever, R&C are still platforming games with cute little cartoon characters as the main protragonists. So what? They're still characters, with personalities. But they're very developed. The characters in the game have plenty of dialogue, and it's extremely well written. That's one of the best things about it. Certainly the thing that kept me buying the sequels. Afterall, I was very interested to see what would happen in the next one. Dude, even when doing voice overs, an actor would have to delve into what it's like being this character, what their motivations are, etc. Otherwise you get RE1. Thee Stranger All I know was some s**t that my brother was telling me about the second one, and it sounds really ******** badass. But I don't want to play the second one until I've beaten the first. So I'll have to start there. It's fun. I mean, it's the same team that made Ratchet and Clank, so you can expect some pretty creative weapons. Thee Stranger I won't deny that MGS3 pushed the conventions of the stealth genre. And I'm not going to argue whether or not MGS3 was a better game than RE4. As a whole, when taking in all of its parts, I myself would probably put MGS3 over RE4, thanks to RE4's storyline. But it is undeniable that RE4 had a much larger impact, and a much bigger influence. And was, in the end, more important to the gaming industry as a whole. I see RE4's influence just about everywhere nowadays. And in games that you yourself hail as some of the best games of this generation, MGS4 and Uncharted included. I never played the PS2 version of RE4. I pre-ordered it on the 'Cube and got it release day. So I cannot speak on the PS2 version, but that doesn't really have any bearing on my argument. I'm not sure where Battletoads comes in as an RE4 influence, and I've never said that RE4 was completely original. But it was revolutionary. Pretty much all videogames borrow certain elements from each other. There's a difference between that and a complete rip-off. I certainly don't consider either MGS4 or Uncharted complete rip-offs of RE4, but RE4's influence is definitely present. And those games would not exist as they do today without RE4. So whatever high grades RE4 got, be it a 9.6, to a 10, it probably deserved them. And yes, I don't care what you say, Drebin is MGS4's Merchant. He is just done in a (slightly) more intelligent manner. You never purchased weapons from a dealer of any sort in any MGS game before RE4 came along. The over-the-sholder aiming mechanic was also never present in MGS before RE4 came along and pioneered it. Still, you're missing the point. There's no such thing as a game that's revolutionary on release date. It's not like the critics waited to see how RE4 affected the industry years down the line, and THEN gave it a score. My point was that RE4 got a higher rating than MGS3, and it shouldn't have. Thee Stranger The codec in RE4 is indeed an MGS ripoff. but that doesn't have any impact on the gameplay itself. It's not like you could just call Hunnigan any time you wanted. Which, like the binocluars, makes it an inconsistent, underdeveloped feature of the game. And as for no impact on the game? What it does do, is it totally breaks the conventions of ANY Resident Evil game right at the beginning by saying, "I'm sending you a training manual." Thee Stranger And lets just not even compare MGS4 to Mario Galaxy 2. They are completely different games. Maybe they are rating it a 10 as a platformer. Not a Stealth Action game. Well, I don't believe that it's a PERFECT platformer. I can't even think of a single game that I'd give a perfect score to. Not without bias. Thee Stranger So, in my eyes, had it not been for RE4's storyline, it may very well have deserved a 9.6 to a 10. Well, then MGS3 deserves an 11. By those standards.
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