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 Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:05 pm
Look, that is how Niman works. The whole style is designed around flexibility. It is a simpler form, true, and doesn't stand up to a master of a more dedicated form, but that doesn't mean that it is without value. And I disagree wholeheartedly with the last line in Nelo's OGG post. Exar Kun was a master of Niman, and he was a terror on the battlefield because of it. The only reason most Niman practitioners are considered weak is because (like Khyber) they are diplomats and scholars, and don't spend the necessary time on the form needed to master it.
Like I said before, I mean to illustrate both the strengths and weaknesses of the form in the battle that is currently ongoing. Khyber is meant to do well in the beginning, because Krosis is just lulling him into a false sense of security. Krosis is older and more experienced than Khyber, and in a straight fight is sure to win. He is also a Sith Assassin, and while not a strictly martial character, is trained equally in both swordplay and use of the Force.
Now please, wait until the battle is finished before you start picking apart every post.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:16 pm
Des Voh This is a rather unimportant planet, the Sith probably only have a basic infantry and some armour, maybe a regiment or two at best. The defenders probably consist of PDF with a few Republic Officers and maybe a company of real RTs. At that, the Sith may have taken heavy losses in the beginning depending on supply of helmets with re-breathers. Im kind of curious though about who dropped you off, Fury. A pod doesn't just fall out of the sky.
Actually, drop pods are designed to be released from orbit. So they do just fall out of the sky. As for who released it, a mandalorian ship swooped in, released it, then flew out again. Wasn't a major part of the conflict, and was probably written off as a civilian vessel by the higher-ups. Anyway, not important, so I didn't include it into the post.Nelowulf probably getting a bit overboard with our analysis too. been a while since we got excited over this stuff.
"Like i said: details, who needs them?"
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:17 pm
Cale Darksun Des Voh This is a rather unimportant planet, the Sith probably only have a basic infantry and some armour, maybe a regiment or two at best. The defenders probably consist of PDF with a few Republic Officers and maybe a company of real RTs. At that, the Sith may have taken heavy losses in the beginning depending on supply of helmets with re-breathers. Im kind of curious though about who dropped you off, Fury. A pod doesn't just fall out of the sky. The Mandalorians of course. They didn't stick around. Just shot the pod at the planet and left. Its kind of like the Mandie method of marooning.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:20 pm
Darth Fury Cale Darksun Des Voh This is a rather unimportant planet, the Sith probably only have a basic infantry and some armour, maybe a regiment or two at best. The defenders probably consist of PDF with a few Republic Officers and maybe a company of real RTs. At that, the Sith may have taken heavy losses in the beginning depending on supply of helmets with re-breathers. Im kind of curious though about who dropped you off, Fury. A pod doesn't just fall out of the sky. The Mandalorians of course. They didn't stick around. Just shot the pod at the planet and left. Its kind of like the Mandie method of marooning. Yes we do. Also, since I enjoy the name, I'm gonna say it again. Graviton Puncture Machine
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:22 pm
Darth Fury Des Voh This is a rather unimportant planet, the Sith probably only have a basic infantry and some armour, maybe a regiment or two at best. The defenders probably consist of PDF with a few Republic Officers and maybe a company of real RTs. At that, the Sith may have taken heavy losses in the beginning depending on supply of helmets with re-breathers. Im kind of curious though about who dropped you off, Fury. A pod doesn't just fall out of the sky.
Actually, drop pods are designed to be released from orbit. So they do just fall out of the sky. As for who released it, a mandalorian ship swooped in, released it, then flew out again. Wasn't a major part of the conflict, and was probably written off as a civilian vessel by the higher-ups. Anyway, not important, so I didn't include it into the post.Sorry, I guess my wording wasn't quite right. I was just curious 'who' dropped it from orbit. But its not important, I agree.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:29 pm
Graviton Puncture Machine.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:34 pm
Orbital Penetration Driver rofl
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 2:33 pm
You don't read my posts, do you, Des?
Those guys were with the Navy. Not the bloody Army.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 2:35 pm
Why would the Navy want infantry adrenals?
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 2:39 pm
Because they supply the troops on the ground. That and reflex adrenals are very handy for fighter pilots and gunners. Normal army soldiers probably couldnt fly a smuggler ship.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 2:42 pm
An duo of officers may, but whatever... Editing.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 2:47 pm
If you're gonna just snatch up my used NPCs, I just want a little consistency with what I've established about them.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 2:50 pm
I didn't mean in it that manner, I just kinda forget the reference to the Republic Navy.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 7:56 pm
Skyeborne Look, that is how Niman works. The whole style is designed around flexibility. It is a simpler form, true, and doesn't stand up to a master of a more dedicated form, but that doesn't mean that it is without value. And I disagree wholeheartedly with the last line in Nelo's OGG post. Exar Kun was a master of Niman, and he was a terror on the battlefield because of it. The only reason most Niman practitioners are considered weak is because (like Khyber) they are diplomats and scholars, and don't spend the necessary time on the form needed to master it. Exar Kun's badassery came more from his saberstaff than any real demonstration of Niman. As Jar'kai requires a niman background, and the majority of his time was spent with said saberstaff, I'd respectfully find the refuting of the original post I'd find still rather valid in most accounts. And I'm sorry to state, but yes, every single user of form VI was killed in the little duel at the Colosseum on geonosis. I verified that fact years ago. Disagree with that whole heartedly, but it will be a disagreement based on personal opinion. Not by anything solid and completely defensible. Proof: Quote: However, Niman demonstrated itself to be inadequate for the open battlefields of the Clone Wars, proven when all the Form VI adherents involved in the First Battle of Geonosis died in combat. Listen, this isn't meant to be a pissing contest. But there are two very distinct facts. The first is that just because a person borrows elements from a particular style, doesn't mean you're using it. This is, however, a point of subtlety, as it is very possible your sith assassin is completely inexperienced in recognizing the difference between styles, which seems quite valid, and instead sees your attack as a sloppy version of something else instead of what it truly is. Completely well within reason. The second, of course, is that it is niman. It is overly demanding, and fairly unimpressive. I have yet to see a jedi use strictly niman, including exar kun, and be considered deadly without the use of a support form. Obi-wan knew at least four styles himself, and many others often learned multiple styles before their swordsmanship was considered unrivaled. Kun is not an exception, as he knew Makashi (anti-force users) atop his niman and Jar'kai. Niman is a broad spectrum style, and yes, it can be powerful, but it is a cheap style to purchase in the system because it's easily noted to be the weakest of all the styles overall. Now, I'm not saying Niman isn't without value. I'm not saying that it cannot be strong. And ignoring a personal bias for kun, I'm not saying a guardian couldn't be badass with it. What I am saying, however, is the same thing as before: be wary about how liberal your interpretations are. This is not to say that you can't have an opinion. Not to say to abandon your beliefs. But do note that this isn't a powergamer's system. you're not automatically skilled in forms 1-5 just because you picked niman, because of creative wording. That's where I'm going with that. It isn't picking apart the post you made, it's picking apart your defensive rebuttal. If you wish to demonstrate your meaning further with another post, then do so. It's a moderator's duties to make sure that people aren't godmodding. This is merely ourselves fulfilling that spot.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 8:41 pm
Maybe I can help explain the general idea in a simple way.
Imagine every form has a rating, indicating what they're good at and bad at. An example is Makashi, a form designed to fight other lightsaber users. It's rating would be good for melee, but bad defense against ranged attacks.
Now, Niman is your jack of all trades form. It's average in everything. It's only strength is the lack of weaknesses, but this is where you must be a dedicated master to truly wield it effectively.
Having parts of all forms means, for example, that your use of Makashi elements in it amounts to " some fencing moves " but you'll get your a** kicked if you used it against a Makashi user.
It's a form of versatility and tactics, focusing on the elements of the forms it borrows from against the forms that are weak against those elements. For reference, look in the RP where Cinn and Danika fought on Thule. Cinn had every advantage because Danika's primary ability is agility. She was trapped in a small room where Cinn could overwhelm her with a head-on assault and had her beat in raw power.
That's basically the concept with Niman. You have to be a master to really be good with it because it requires a lot, like studying your enemy and finding their weaknesses, using the elements of the correct forms to capitalize on them, without being forced into using what they outclass you with, because then you're screwed.
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