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 Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:43 pm
@AS - I know, it is awsome. whee
I agree with you as well, but putting a year limit is encourging it all the same. I'm all for fetis dieing, to many people already. But I don't think it is right as an only form of birth control (when that does happen) or with it constantly being done, because that puts alot of stress on the body. When you say you can only get one a year, your just encouraging them to wait a year. It is still just as tramatic. I was refurring to a 3 hour course explaining abortion. What happens to the baby, etc. Sex ed is good, but a more focused class is needed. This is to serve the purpose of making sure they know what they are doing, and think about it. Make sure they are making the right choice.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:20 pm
marshjazz @AS - I know, it is awsome. whee
I agree with you as well, but putting a year limit is encourging it all the same. I'm all for fetis dieing, to many people already. But I don't think it is right as an only form of birth control (when that does happen) or with it constantly being done, because that puts alot of stress on the body. When you say you can only get one a year, your just encouraging them to wait a year. It is still just as tramatic. I was refurring to a 3 hour course explaining abortion. What happens to the baby, etc. Sex ed is good, but a more focused class is needed. This is to serve the purpose of making sure they know what they are doing, and think about it. Make sure they are making the right choice. She lay down on the grass,
Looking up at the sky,
thinking, it’s all she can do.
If she disappeared she would not be missed.
She will be gone just like everyone else.
Getting up from the grass,
she walks on the sand,
looking outward towards the sea.
She walks into the water high up above her knees.
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
Maybe they should just talk to Red Foreman from that 70's show.
"Birth control? Don't do it! That's your birth control."
XD
If you have a free half an hour this should entertain you: http://tv-links.co.uk/link.do/1/93/233/3250/5516
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
The waves softly hit her legs.
She looks at the sunset and its yellow-red hues
she walks into the sea, farther and farther,
opening her arms towards the wave.
The water is high up to her hips.
The wave comes towards her.
She looks at the wave with her arms stretched out;
the water starts to rage, the wave hits her body hard.
Then the water calms down. The water recedes,
then darkness falls, and all goes dark.
The sun goes down and the day is done.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:24 pm
Dumbass. xD
When I get a free 1/2 hour, I'll check it out.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:34 pm
marshjazz Dumbass. xD
When I get a free 1/2 hour, I'll check it out. She lay down on the grass,
Looking up at the sky,
thinking, it’s all she can do.
If she disappeared she would not be missed.
She will be gone just like everyone else.
Getting up from the grass,
she walks on the sand,
looking outward towards the sea.
She walks into the water high up above her knees.
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
You might have already seen the episode, but it fits the topic fairly well. [because of birth control, but not abortions.] XD
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
The waves softly hit her legs.
She looks at the sunset and its yellow-red hues
she walks into the sea, farther and farther,
opening her arms towards the wave.
The water is high up to her hips.
The wave comes towards her.
She looks at the wave with her arms stretched out;
the water starts to rage, the wave hits her body hard.
Then the water calms down. The water recedes,
then darkness falls, and all goes dark.
The sun goes down and the day is done.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:46 pm
There is a good chance I have sceen it already, but it has been awhile, so it'll be nice to see it again anyway.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:32 pm
Pro Life completely.
Firstly, let me make one thing very clear for all of the Pro Choicers who would like to debate this one with me. I'm mature enough to handle a friendly debate, and I have put a lot of thought into this topic while forming my opinion, so I am totally prepared to debate with you and wouldn't mind it at all. One thing that you need to know, though, is that part of my opinion on this matter involves my personal belief that a baby is a baby from the moment of conception. Please, for the love of Pete, don't throw science at me. It's my beloved biology that has lead me to this belief, partially. The reproduction system, both in humans and other animals, it's an incredible thing, and any fertilized embryo starts changing from the moment that sperm set's it's wiggly way in. Those changes are what make the baby, and there for, it is a baby. Do not argue this point with me, please. I will ignore it. This is what I believe, and there's no possible way for you to change it, especially with science. I repeat, it is partially due to science that I believe it is a baby, not a lifeless parasite.
Now that that silliness is out of the way, I suppose the best way to organize this is to set up the main points against my opinion and rebuttal them. This is the process I use to form my opinions in the first place, so I think it works pretty swell-ly.
1. It isn't alive.
Please refer to the first paragraph. It is very much so alive, just as any other group of cells is. Basic biology tells us it's alive. I'm done with this one.
2. It's the woman's choice.
Is it now? And does the baby have any say in it? I mean, considering we're ending the baby's life here, or even worse, we're preventing it from reaching what many people consider to be alive. What do you think that baby would say? "Sure, Ma, I understand. You just don't have time for me right now. No problemo, Ma. Go ahead and kill me before I have the chance to even see your face, or you mine." Yes, I am aware there are other cases in which abortions seems 'neccesary'. I'll address those later, no worries.
Back to the question, though. I agree, the woman in question has the right to decide what happens to her body. The baby, however, is not HER body. Arguable, you say? It wouldn't be there without her, you say? Let's look at this from another standpoint. That baby is not her body, no matter what stage of development it is at. It does not have her exact DNA, there for it is not her body. In fact, half of it's genetic coding comes from its father, making it just as much his body as hers. Even if he agrees to an abortion, they two combined two not equal the baby's body. Is your genetic code an EXACT mesh of your parents? Of course not. It's a mesh of their parents, as well... and then their parents... and then their parents, and so on, back until the beginning of time! If we're going to say it's the woman's body, we also need to say it's all of her ancester's body, and that it is also all of the father's ancester's body. If the woman has the right to choose what to do with her body, so do all of those other people. Considering most of them are long since dead, and a portion of them make monkey noises, I highly doubt the woman has their permission as well to destroy this 'body'.
If all things in a person are originated in their genetic code, then we could conceivabley be killing off the cure for cancer. No, I'm not saying that the person who will cure cancer has a giant red sign in their DNA that says 'CANCER CURER RIGHT HERE, BABY!' However, that person's smart stuff is in their genes, and it is conceivabley possible to kill off the person who has the right mix of smarts and medical intuition of sorts in their genes to cure cancer. Of course, it's likely another will come... But you could ahead and tell the millions of families morning the loss of their loved ones that there might be another one down the road. Now I ask you, does the woman have the right to her body? Of course. Does she have the right to kill her baby? Arguable. Does she have the right to kill all of those cancer patients? Anyone who's seen a cancer patient, lost a love one to the disease, or even survived it will quickly tell you no. Sure, this one is a long shot, but I decided to cover every point in this issue that I could.
3. Not every abortion is from the classic knocked up bimbo who doesn't want her kid. What about the rape victims?
Ha, I just love this one. Rape happens. Unless the woman is on birth control, there's a very good chance that it's unprotected sex. Seeing as unprotected sex can lead to the making of babies, it's logical that some rapes will result in a pregnancy. Yes, it is disgusting and horrible that something so brutal happened to the woman. Yes, that man deserves to have his d**k ripped off and roasted on a fire. Yes, the baby could possibley be a constant reminder of that horrible day/night. Yes, not everyone is read for a baby. Sure, that woman could be being very careful with her partner as to not have a child, and then bam, this horrible thing happens. Does any of this make it the baby's fault? Is the baby responsible for its father's sick act? Pregnancy isn't always fun, sure, and it must not be any more fun for someone who was forced into it. But does that make it the baby's fault? Should we punish the baby because the father's a s**t head? Of course not. There are other options here, options which allow that kid to live, such as adoption. I know, adoption systems aren't always fine and dandy, I'll address it later.
4. What about teen pregnancy? Would you really want to go through a pregnancy while in school? It would be painful, horrible... it could ruin your life.
Of course not. Why the hell would I want to be pregnant at 17? Why the hell would I want to be pregnant while still in high school? It would be absolutely awful, and could put my life on hold for a while, making me loose my edge. It won't ruin my life, though, I have proof of that, and I'll address it later. However, it would be the least enjoyable thing for any person my age to go through. In the end, though, is ANY of that the baby's fault? Of course it isn't. If I don't want the kid, I can give it to an adoption agency. Or even better, I can simply drop the kid off at a hopsital. In the US, at least, they have a policy at hospitals to cover this. If you walk in with a baby, they will take it, no questions asked. So no, I wouldn't want to be pregnant at this age. If I was due to my own stupidity, it's my own damn fault, not the baby's. If I was due to a rape, it's the jerk head's fault, not the baby's.
5. But having a baby as a teen can ruin your life.
Only if you allow it to. My cousin is living proof of that. Pregnant at sixteen, a mother a few months after her 17th birthday, she dropped out of hih school for obvious reasons. After a few years, however, she went back to school, got a GED. There are now plenty of GED programs out there to help those who didn't get a diploma. After getting that, she went on to four years of college, and is now a middle school english teacher and happily engaged to her boyfriend of several years. Not the father of her daughter, but he accepts her daughter and all that jazz. It didn't ruin her life because she didn't let it. It put it on hold a few years, sure, but if you really want to make something out of your ife, you do it. You don't complain about your pregnancy an the baby. You just suck it up and do it.
6. Before abortions were legal, women used coat hangers and went to unlicensed clinics that used rusty tools. That can kill people. We're protecting lives by keeping abortions legal.
Might I laugh a little at this, please? Does anybody else see a FLARING contradiction here? So, let me get this straight... The life of the mother, who is obviously not very intellegent to be using a coat hanger, is more important than the life of her unborn child? You protect a life by killing another? That just seems ridiculous to me.
Anywho, I have a great example for all of those people who cling to this ridiculous point. Heroin is illegal, but was at one time very legal. When it was legal, it was cool, and people didn't always use dirty needles. Now it's illegal, and such status has made it more scarce and has caused many users to share needles and contract AIDs/HIV. To prevent the spread of these viruses, do we legalize heroin? Of course we don't. Can we try to cut back on the number of people who use dirty needles? Sure. If abortion were illegal, could we do our best to shut down clincs that offered unsafe abortins? Surely. I rest my case.
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I think I've covered the main arguements. If I missed one, feel free to point it out. There are probabley a million typos in this, as I typed it all up in the reply box. Sorry if it makes for an uneasy read. :/ <3
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:57 pm
Scientifically the fetis (yes fetis not baby, if it was a baby they would call it a baby, but they don't) is a paristie. We don't consider a wart alive, yet it is just a wad of cells. But you don't want to argue over this, so you can just ignore that.
So long as the baby is inside her being a parisite it is the woman. You right though it isn't HER body, it's inside HER. We take out livers and lungs that are in our body, if you want to play it that way, why don't we stop doing transplants while were at it? And it definately shouldn't be your descion for wether or not some person you don't know keeps the baby or not. You have NO claim to the baby whatso ever. Your life wont change on bit if the unborn baby is aborted. If anything, it'll change your life for the better.
I'm not touching the pointlessness of your rape explaination. Except that, a fetis isn't worth it and you forgot teenage rape.
Of course nothing is the fetis' fault, it isn't even fully consious yet. Can't even register pain.
So you value a "baby's" life more than you value the life of that mother?
What if the mother would die during birth, and they can't do a C-section?
You can't say that any pro-choice point is ridiculious, because I find all your points ridiculious. It is all a matter of opinion.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:20 pm
Well, you for some reason felt the need to make a needless arguement against something I asked not to. I'm not even going to bother arguing against it. Waste of my time.
Ah, but if you reread my arguement about it no being her body, I sort of have that covered. I said she has the right to her body. Her liver is her body. It does, after all, have her DNA, does it not? She can do transplants all she wants. Why can she do that? Because that liver is actually hers. The baby isn't. I never said I have any claim to the baby, but since you went there... You can't claim a baby. You claim an object, you claim things you own. A mother does not own her child. That's called slavery and I think we all agree on that topic. There's no possible way for you to know how my life will be affected by an abortion, now is there? If you're saying it's going to make my life better, there's an equal chance it'll make my life worse than it could've been.
A baby isn't worth what? A pregnancy? A rape? First, a baby is the point of a pregnancy. Second, nothing is worth a rape, but you don't bargain for rape. Rape victims don't sit there and think, "gee, y'know, I would get raped, but I might have a baby, so it isn't worth it." Of course, you didn't say that, but you did say the baby wasn't worth it. There was nothing 'worth it' in the rape. The baby is just the end result.
Teenage rape was covered a little, actually. I really don't see a difference between teenage rape and the rape of an adult woman. Both are horrible, disgusting crimes. The age difference does not make one more disgusting than the other. My stance on rape pregnancy abortions is still the same, please refer to that part of my original post if you don't already know what I said about it.
I never talked about pain, now did I? The reason I didn't talk about it is because it's a pointless arguement. Just because something can't feel pain doesn't mean you have the right to inflict pain onto it. A person who is paralyzed doesn't feel anything from the point of paralysis and down, yet it would be wrong to beat them senseless, would it not? Pain has nothing to do with it. It's the act.
I never said I value the baby's life more than the mother. Their lives are equally important simply because there is a life there. If the mother is to die during birth, which might I add is extremely rare, it is a medical condition that is causing it. There is something wrong. It'd be no different than having a disease that's killing you. In many cases such as this, the baby is either already dead or will be dead within the hour, and saving the mother is what is important. That's just logic and has nothing to do with allowing a woman to kill her baby because she doesn't want it. That is a serious medical condition that needs serious medical procedures.
I can easily say that the point is ridiculous if you can easily say mine is pointless. You said my rape explanation was pointless. I say your coat hanger horror story is ridiculous. It is a matter of opinion, and that's what this debate is. A matter of opinion.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:57 pm
Oh but that liver contains her DNA. Which as you already stated is the DNA of her mother and father. Lets raise the dead, everybody who is in her direct line, should have something to say about it. It's their DNA anyway. I'm not tring to claim the baby like you are. Slavery involves people that actually serve a purpose in our society. Fetis's do not. I distinctly remember "if anything" there is no way that it will effect you in a bad way, unless it is someone you are close to. In which case I'm sure you'd force your view on them anyway. Don't even go into the - I'm forcing my view just as much as you are arguement, because I'm not the one tring to contol everyone. I say they have a choice in there own life
Again, I said that you can just ignore it since your not willing to argue about it. You for some reason felt the need to make a needless statement about a needless arguement (in your opinion) that I made against a needless arguement (my opinion) that you stated.
A rape fetis isn't worth the 9 months and labour. I'm sorry it just isn't. Earth is already way over populated. We don't need more unfortuate souls here.
While your right, it isn't right to inflict pain on anything, even if it can't feel it. It is way better doing it while it can't feel it than while it can. If I was forced to have a rape baby, I would either get an abortion somehow, commit suside, or kill it after it was born. I know I'm not alone. Just for spite.
I'll finish this later, I have to get off the computer.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:10 pm
... You would kill the baby after it was born? I'm not even sure what to say to that. Most prochoicers I've debated with drew a line at some stage of development or at least after birth... That's a little extreme.
Slavery did not serve a purpouse in society. I can't understand why you would think that. I'm not trying to claim any baby at all, and I'm not sure where you're pulling that one from. I never said any baby is mine nor did I ever say I claim one... What are you getting it from? I'm not even controling what the mother does with an unborn child, as I'm simply discussing it in a forum. I'm not lobbying in D.C. and I'm not pushing my opinions on any future abortion canidate. I personally find abortion to be wrong, on the grounds that no person has the right to say when somebody else's life is over. Just if you're curious, I'm also against war and the death penalty, so I'm not contradicting myself like many prolifers do.
Ha. You also felt the need to make a needless statement about a needless statement, so I'd say we're both on the same playing field in that arena, wouldn't you?
This debate isn't really getting anywhere. I'm just going to give up on it. Tata.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:36 pm
You are tring to control the mother. Your forcing her to keep the fetis that she doesn't want. If this was a democratic election everyone who was pro-life would vote to make it illegal, forcing the mother to keep the baby. If they won, you'd only be contributing to forcing that on the mother.
Slavery did involve people who had a purpose in society. All a fetis does is feed off of it's mother. Slaves worked. Which produced food for everyone. Slavery did serve a purpose and gave people a perpose. In a weird way.
I said just for spite, if I was forced to keep a rape baby. I personally find it discusting to force someone to change their life because other people they don't know think it is wrong to kill a little fetis. I'd probably go stand outside the emergancy room doors of a hospital and shoot my stomach, hopefully I could walk into the hospital. Hello abortion, good bye baby. Murdering the child would be the last option. The reason why I would murder it instead of adopting it, is because after a rape I know I would probably be in a depression cycle and I would feel that it wouldn't belong in the world.
Maybe claim isn't the best way of putting it. Forcing it to live. Claiming that you have some athority over it. That you have the right to tell the mother that it's fetis must live.
Since your bring in the death penatly. I'm for it. I think we should kill all prisoners who have a life sentence and without meds. While they are wide awake. Did their victums get the pleasure of dieing in their sleep? And also, we'd see a dramtic drop in crime. I also think that prisons should be prisons, not rehabilitation centers. As they are now, I don't understand why anyone is homeless. I'd be smart, go kill someone, confess, get life in prison. Never have to worry about a job, food, or money. And you even get internet and TV. What a deal, especially from being homeless. I'm against wars over religion, but for expansionist wars.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:09 am
I personally hate the idea of abortion especially if the reason for aborting the kid is because is mentally disabled or they just don't want it. I understand perfectly well why people abort kids and I would never stop them doing so though personally I could never do it. For a couple of reasons...
1) I know a baby who was born a week before the cut off for having an abortion. He could have been aborted by his parents if they didn't want him. He was born really early but perfectly healthy. They had to watch him for a while, make sure that he was OK and he was. He is now about 2/3 and is one the happiest and healthiest babies I know. If its possible for a baby to be born healthy when it could still be aborted what happens to those that are aborted at that age? They are either murdered (because yes it would be murder if the baby was alive and formed properly) or are just left to starve to death. Which I think is completely wrong, so if people have to keep having abortions then the time frame should be shortened. As I said I wouldn't stop anyone from choosing to have an abortion but I would at least hope they would think of the other options first and I believe a lot of people don't.
2) If a kid has a mental problem for example a learning difficulty or has downs syndrome then I think anyone who aborts it because of that reason is stupid. My cousin is adopted she is about 22 and is tiny, she has huge problems, she isn't mentally her age and has many defects. She is however one of the nicest girls I know and is always trying to please everyone. She found her family at 18 but not because she wanted to but because they got in touch with her, she was quite happy with us being her family as we have all been there for her since she was a baby. Not all adopted kids go looking for their parents.
Also I know 3 people with downs syndrome and they are the loveliest people I know. They will always hug people and try and make them feel better, I have not know them to be naughty or be a pain to anyone. They needed a little more attention as kids to keep check on their health but otherwise they were normal children so no a mentally disabled kid wouldn't necessarily need more attention or care then a 'normal' child.
If you had a child who was so mentally disabled you couldn't cope then there are people out there who will happily take the child on and bring it up and if that kids that mentally disabled I doubt very much it will come looking for you so you wouldn't need to worry about that either.
If someone chooses to have an abortion then its their choice, as long as they know what they are doing. I think the restrictions on abortion need to be changed and tightened. I will never agree with it for the two reasons mentioned above and some others. I couldn't do that to a baby or a bunch of cells that will turn into a baby.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:43 am
marshjazz Oh but that liver contains her DNA. Which as you already stated is the DNA of her mother and father. Lets raise the dead, everybody who is in her direct line, should have something to say about it. It's their DNA anyway. I'm not tring to claim the baby like you are. Slavery involves people that actually serve a purpose in our society. Fetis's do not. I distinctly remember "if anything" there is no way that it will effect you in a bad way, unless it is someone you are close to. In which case I'm sure you'd force your view on them anyway. Don't even go into the - I'm forcing my view just as much as you are arguement, because I'm not the one tring to contol everyone. I say they have a choice in there own life
Again, I said that you can just ignore it since your not willing to argue about it. You for some reason felt the need to make a needless statement about a needless arguement (in your opinion) that I made against a needless arguement (my opinion) that you stated.
A rape fetis isn't worth the 9 months and labour. I'm sorry it just isn't. Earth is already way over populated. We don't need more unfortuate souls here.
While your right, it isn't right to inflict pain on anything, even if it can't feel it. It is way better doing it while it can't feel it than while it can. If I was forced to have a rape baby, I would either get an abortion somehow, commit suside, or kill it after it was born. I know I'm not alone. Just for spite.
I'll finish this later, I have to get off the computer.
Also it is my opinion that the people who are less knowledgeable about biology tend to be pro-life. Seeing as most doctors and scientists are in support abortions being a woman's right.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:25 am
Remove:
So your moderate?
Nycus:
Yeah, I also find that alot of pro-life people are religious. I took biology two years ago and got mostly C's in it, but it was a hard course for me, cause I'm more of a Chemistry person. It just seems really weird how that is.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:09 am
She lay down on the grass,
Looking up at the sky,
thinking, it’s all she can do.
If she disappeared she would not be missed.
She will be gone just like everyone else.
Getting up from the grass,
she walks on the sand,
looking outward towards the sea.
She walks into the water high up above her knees.
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
Katersaur- You made some excellent points there. I respect your opinion and I'm not aiming to change it.
I just have some quick replies to some of those points you've mentioned. Whether you read them or not. If they were pointed out by Jazz or anyone else, then I am sorry for repeating them.
1. I do agree that the infant is alive from the moment of conception, but how would you define alive? Living and Breathing? Because clearly we know s/he's not breathing. s/he may be alive, but s/he's brain is so small for some time that s/he cannot function by his/herself. If a woman gives birth to the infant at such a stage in his/her development, s/he won't survive by his/herself. The mother makes decisions for the infant. So s/he is a parasite in the transition of developing and becoming more lively. Even after birth, the infant relies on the mother. Sure, she has no right to end his/her life so soon, and the infant has no say in it, but after birth she's still responsible for the infant. And the infant still has no say on what s/he does. Sure, infants may cry when they want food, warmth or attention. But s/he's not going to get it by his/herself. The dependent infant gets it from the mother.
2. I agree that it is not the infant's fault for his/her conception or for the mother being raped. But there are so many women out there who get psychologically damaged from this rape. They might even have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. If this happens, does the mother want a constant reminder of the rape every time she looks or thinks of the infant? No. But she would have to take care of him/her until no longer needed. And it would be very dangerous to put the mother and infant in that kind of a situation. I agree that putting the infant up for adoption would be a better choice, but if a woman has PTSD, she might even become suicidal. And having that infant in her for those nine months is a constant reminder of why she doesn't want to live. If a woman is able to go to the hospital, or an emergency room, before or by the next morning, would you tell her that she would not be able to take the "morning after" pill because it is just as morally wrong as getting an abortion? The infant has already been conceived.
Another point I'd like to make, what about an unhealthy infant [and I don't mean mentally challenged. I mean what if s/he is born with a defect. Or an illness that will cripple him/her for the rest of his/her life]? What if you know in advanced that your infant won't be born healthy and s/he would have to be living with a mechanical lung, or is born to die? What would you say about abortion then? Let the infant have his/her's life. Let him/her suffer. What if the infant is a stillborn? [Or dead while in the womb?] Then would you still disagree to the abortion? The woman has to go through nine months with a dead infant in her womb? I'm just curious about this. This is in no way trying to offend you. I want to know your opinion on these cases.
3. Teen pregnancies should not happen. I am totally 100% with you. That's what abstinence is for, or even the pill, and other methods of birth control. there are so many methods that it amazes me how many teen pregnancies there are. I am against having sex in high school [still a bit iffy about in college, but I'm a bit more lenient about college]. And if one doesn't want to take the chance of putting her life on hold, then she should think about what is important to her. If she school is important, then don't have sex. There are other pleasures other than sex, drugs and alcohol. But people want the easy, effortless way out. And that is completely their fault.
4. Not all teen mother cases are like those of your cousin's. There are several parents who would kick the woman out of her house and disown her. For those unlucky ones, life will be hard. No matter how much they try, life will be difficult. Some may get out of that rut, but some might not. And that's not because they gave up. Some places might not hire a woman without a GED. She won't have enough money to support herself AND a infant. And even though I think teen pregnancies are stupid, they happen, and that teen is still an independent person too. She shouldn't just be left on the streets to rot.
5. Just for kicks: Abortion was never illegal. It was just never medically practiced until more recently. You cant legalize something that was never illegal to begin with. People were stupid in the past about it because they were desperate. And they paid for that. In the past pregnancies and labor was not monitored so carefully, because they didn't have the medical advancements, so people were afraid. Now it is becoming more safe. So they don't have to risk their own lives for it. We're not protecting lives from keeping it legal, because there are several incidents where people do have complications and die. People die from medical mistakes every day. But we're not going to make medicine illegal.
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
The waves softly hit her legs.
She looks at the sunset and its yellow-red hues
she walks into the sea, farther and farther,
opening her arms towards the wave.
The water is high up to her hips.
The wave comes towards her.
She looks at the wave with her arms stretched out;
the water starts to rage, the wave hits her body hard.
Then the water calms down. The water recedes,
then darkness falls, and all goes dark.
The sun goes down and the day is done.
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