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 Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:41 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Yes, that whole 'unlawful killing' dealio. So, by that logic, if we were to make abortion 'unlawful' then it would be murder. Of course. In fact, I said something just a few posts ago which quite clearly points this out. Me Murder is based on the law. If the law changes, what actions count as "murder" change as well. Pretty clear. Again, the issue I am addressing at the moment (since you seem to have forgotten) is that abortion isn't murder, not that it should or shouldn't be. Quote: Random assertions about something that is an abstract concept (and, by definition, cannot be proven/disproven)? Sure. Fantastic for you. But since you can't back it up, your claim is completely worthless in this discussion.
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:28 pm
Sinner Of course. In fact, I said something just a few posts ago which quite clearly points this out. Me Murder is based on the law. If the law changes, what actions count as "murder" change as well. Pretty clear. Again, the issue I am addressing at the moment (since you seem to have forgotten) is that abortion isn't murder, not that it should or shouldn't be. Ok. So it isn't legally murder. I'll concede that point. But it should be.
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:54 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Ok. So it isn't legally murder. I'll concede that point. But it should be. Okay, now that we're cleared that minor hurdle (something which should have been ended as soon as the dictionary had been quoted), here's the real issue. Why in the world would people think that abortion should be illegal?
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:08 pm
Sinner Why in the world would people think that abortion should be illegal? Because some consider fetus' to be human and, therefore, have rights.
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:15 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Sinner Why in the world would people think that abortion should be illegal? Because some consider fetus' to be human and, therefore, have rights. Which them requires them to provide proof that a fetus is, in fact, a person. Which they cannot, so the whole thing falls apart.
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 10:53 pm
Sinner Which them requires them to provide proof that a fetus is, in fact, a person. Which they cannot, so the whole thing falls apart. No it doesn't. Proof that it is human is sufficient.
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:26 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Sinner Which them requires them to provide proof that a fetus is, in fact, a person. Which they cannot, so the whole thing falls apart. No it doesn't. Proof that it is human is sufficient. Please, back this up.
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 3:04 pm
Humans get rights automatically. Simple as that.
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 3:13 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Humans get rights automatically. Simple as that.
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:34 pm
What is the basis for natural rights? Humanity (whether one is human or not). It's quite simple, really.
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:54 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor What is the basis for natural rights? Humanity (whether one is human or not). It's quite simple, really. Go on, keep repeating yourself. Maybe it'll become true eventually.
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:30 pm
Sinner Go on, keep repeating yourself. Maybe it'll become true eventually. this will go one a while, won't it. Ok, smart-guy you come up with a better definition.
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:33 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Sinner Go on, keep repeating yourself. Maybe it'll become true eventually. this will go one a while, won't it. Ok, smart-guy you come up with a better definition. Hey, hey, you made the claim. Don't go shoving your responsibilities off on me. And I don't really know what you mean by "definition". The definitions are not the issue, it is your baseless assumption that humanity is the defining attribute that grants us our rights.
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:06 pm
Sinner Hey, hey, you made the claim. Don't go shoving your responsibilities off on me. I'm not. Rights need some basis for being granted. If my claim is 'false', then we must automatically go to any other possibilities as to how rights are granted. Since there, currently, are none, the only option is to return to my claim and, until another viable alternative is presented, assume it to be true. Quote: And I don't really know what you mean by "definition". The definitions are not the issue, it is your baseless assumption that humanity is the defining attribute that grants us our rights. ... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? you do realise that you just said that the definition of the attribute that gives us rights are not the issue, yet your problem is with my definition of of the that attribute.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:47 am
Cometh The Inquisitor I'm not. Rights need some basis for being granted. If my claim is 'false', then we must automatically go to any other possibilities as to how rights are granted. Since there, currently, are none, the only option is to return to my claim and, until another viable alternative is presented, assume it to be true. Just because no one's presented an alternative yet doesn't make your system a valid one. Cometh The Inquisitor Quote: And I don't really know what you mean by "definition". The definitions are not the issue, it is your baseless assumption that humanity is the defining attribute that grants us our rights. ... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? you do realise that you just said that the definition of the attribute that gives us rights are not the issue, yet your problem is with my definition of of the that attribute. Ah, so you meant "defining attribute". In the context of your previous post, this was difficult to decipher. I'll provide my alternative system just as soon as we've established that your system of automatically giving all humans rights is a ridiculous one. One step at a time.
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