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I didn't gripe about the laughing, it was more the fact that what seemed to be coming through a lot was that pro-choicers are people who advocate and encourage illegal and unsafe abortion because it "helps our cause". Which was my complaint about the thread. Maybe it was just how I was interpreting it, but it certainly seemed that way. (I will put quotes in if necessary.)

I said there are people who do. And there are, and that makes me mad. I said that in my posts...I ALSO said, "Not all pro-choicers, just the ones who do promote it."

And she isn't talking about like herbal abortions either. That, at least, I could understand, sort of (though they are very dangerous herbs as well). Just about any untrained person who attempted that would kill their patient. I don't care what sort of point this woman is trying to prove, she is advocating a very risky procedure.

I understand that many women would still want abortions if it were illegal. But most of them would go to illegal "clinics" or even doctors who would perform them illegally, like they did before abortion was legal.

I do agree that abortion isn't a need, it is a want (you know, like the internet). But the fact that more people would die from it were it illegal is one of the reasons I feel it should not be made illegal.

I don't think I would get an abortion if it were illegal. Simply because both my fiance and I have families that would help take care of any resulting children (his with monetary help, mine with childcare), if it came to that. I don't know if I would tell women looking for an illegal abortion about any place to get one that I'd heard of. It's such a hypothetical, that I really cannot be sure of anything.

I don't think that advocating illegal abortions is the correct way to go about things, personally. I think that working to make abortion unneeded, and trying to keep it legal until it can be replaced in non-life-threatening cases is more important.

Wasn't the first post of the thread they're bitching about something about how a woman who dies from an illegal abortion should get the Darwin Award? Personally, I feel that, were abortion illegal, too many women would die from it for any of them to qualify. Drunk driving is a stupid thing that kills many people who do it, and so is too common to qualify for the Darwin Award. You have to exit a moving bus for a cigarette in order to make it to the nominations. *wink*

That is so awesome! I really wish that such programs existed, well, everywhere!

My sister had a baby about halfway through her college career. While she did get significantly more grant and loan money, most of that went to childcare (for a while, they were just living off her student loans). If she hadn't been close enough for family to watch my nephew a lot of the time, I don't know if she could have gone through college.

I didn't mean to advocate herbal abortions. I just feel that mentioning the herbs that can be used and the amounts they can be used in safely, is probably less dangerous than trying to explain how to do a surgical abortion. I would very much suggest that no one ever try either without a very skilled health care professional.

If you are telling people how to do something, you are advocating that they do it. If someone dies from doing that, it is (at least) indirectly your fault. I don't see how it could be the fault of Pro-Lifers if someone dies from a botched illegal abortion technique they found on a Pro-Choice site.

That's like saying that the War on Drugs is at fault when morons make bad LSD from a recipe they found on a Pro-Drug site. Yes, if it were legal, morons wouldn't be making it. But no one made those morons do what they did.

I also think that prostitution should be legal and regulated.

Because according to Jack Chick, they'll burn in hell?