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 Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:42 pm
Lethkhar Once again, we've left the ability to debate. If there aren't any guidelines like logic, then niether of us can be right. If God isn't logical nor rational, for all intents and purposes He is assumed not to exist, at least within the confines of human thought and discussion. Just like Santa and The Flying Spaghetti Monster. Or emotions such as love or loathing. Not taking sides, necessarily, but just because something is abstract, doesn't mean it doesn't exist (as well as the opposite of that).
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:47 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar Once again, we've left the ability to debate. If there aren't any guidelines like logic, then niether of us can be right. If God isn't logical nor rational, for all intents and purposes He is assumed not to exist, at least within the confines of human thought and discussion. Just like Santa and The Flying Spaghetti Monster. Or emotions such as love or loathing. Not taking sides, necessarily, but just because something is abstract, doesn't mean it doesn't exist (as well as the opposite of that). No, but love and loathing are logical. God, as she has admitted, is not.
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:13 pm
I thought that this topic suppose to handle animals and Heaven. This conversation is out of topic. Anyway, for me God is something that doesn't have room in our heads. It's something so major and holy. That's why He is out of logic. Miracles happen and you say that everything is just accident. You can claim that you haven't ever saw any miracles. I think that the biggest miracle is the world. It's so unlikely that you are here on this earth and consider these things. Don't you think that's out of logic?
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:08 pm
Meloreiel I thought that this topic suppose to handle animals and Heaven. This conversation is out of topic. Anyway, for me God is something that doesn't have room in our heads. It's something so major and holy. That's why He is out of logic. Miracles happen and you say that everything is just accident. You can claim that you haven't ever saw any miracles. I think that the biggest miracle is the world. It's so unlikely that you are here on this earth and consider these things. Don't you think that's out of logic? 1. God should not be excluded from logic. I find that to be an exceedingly boring and rather silly excuse. 2. Prove to me that it was "so unlikely" for life to have developed. Do you have any idea how big the universe is? The answer, consequently, is no. No one does. 3. I find it much more believable than some invisible man who came out of nowhere, created some stuff, made a bunch of logical contradictions, encouraged genocide, oppression of women, and overall barbarity. Then sacrificed his own son so that he could break his own rules and not have to burn everyone (The majority still do) for eternity after they die. But that's just me. rolleyes As for this being off-topic: Once again, not my fault. I'm simply defending my beliefs.
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:59 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly KJV And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. NKJV Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens." NLT And God said, "Let the waters swarm with fish and other life. Let the skies be filled with birds of every kind. NIV And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky.” ESV And God said, “Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens.” NASB Then God said, "Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens." But why, then, do the original Greek and Hebrew transliterations say he gave them a soul? Soul and spirit are two different things. The Spirit is the part of you that is immortal, with your memories, your thoughts, your personality. God breathed that spirit into all of us (Spirit comes from "espiritu", which means breath of life.). Soul is the life force, the spark of life. Humans and animals alike have these qualities. When you see a dead person or an animal, the being you knew and loved has clearly shed his body of flesh and blood the same way a snake sheds its skin. That's why the symbolism of the caterpiller turning into a butterfly is such a beautiful Christian metaphor.
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:35 pm
Wind-Whisper Fushigi na Butterfly KJV And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. NKJV Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens." NLT And God said, "Let the waters swarm with fish and other life. Let the skies be filled with birds of every kind. NIV And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky.” ESV And God said, “Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens.” NASB Then God said, "Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens." But why, then, do the original Greek and Hebrew transliterations say he gave them a soul? Soul and spirit are two different things. The Spirit is the part of you that is immortal, with your memories, your thoughts, your personality. God breathed that spirit into all of us (Spirit comes from "espiritu", which means breath of life.). Soul is the life force, the spark of life. Humans and animals alike have these qualities. When you see a dead person or an animal, the being you knew and loved has clearly shed his body of flesh and blood the same way a snake sheds its skin. That's why the symbolism of the caterpiller turning into a butterfly is such a beautiful Christian metaphor. I find it interesting that about every other Christian I meet claims they can speak fluent Greek and Hebrew. It's almost worth learning those languages just to speak to them in it and see if they can actually have a conversation without grammatical errors that would obviously stem from an online translator. I already know a bit of Greek...Present tense, at least.
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:56 pm
I think both languages are necessary if you want to really understand the Bible. They're certainly on my list of languages to learn. I've gotten Spanish out of the way and in a few years Japanese'll be done. Then there's Cantonese, Mandarin, Korean, Arabic, and Hebrew and Greek. Don't ask me what's compelled me to want to learn so many languages. I find them all fascinating. heart
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:23 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly I think both languages are necessary if you want to really understand the Bible. They're certainly on my list of languages to learn. I've gotten Spanish out of the way and in a few years Japanese'll be done. Then there's Cantonese, Mandarin, Korean, Arabic, and Hebrew and Greek. Don't ask me what's compelled me to want to learn so many languages. I find them all fascinating. heart Oh, quite. Arabic sounds facsinating. Hablas espanol? (Perdon para los errores gramaticas y de ortografia. No tengo una computador espanola. sweatdrop )
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:59 pm
Lethkhar Fushigi na Butterfly I think both languages are necessary if you want to really understand the Bible. They're certainly on my list of languages to learn. I've gotten Spanish out of the way and in a few years Japanese'll be done. Then there's Cantonese, Mandarin, Korean, Arabic, and Hebrew and Greek. Don't ask me what's compelled me to want to learn so many languages. I find them all fascinating. heart Oh, quite. Arabic sounds facsinating. Hablas espanol? (Perdon para los errores gramaticas y de ortografia. No tengo una computador espanola. sweatdrop )
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:06 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly Lethkhar Fushigi na Butterfly I think both languages are necessary if you want to really understand the Bible. They're certainly on my list of languages to learn. I've gotten Spanish out of the way and in a few years Japanese'll be done. Then there's Cantonese, Mandarin, Korean, Arabic, and Hebrew and Greek. Don't ask me what's compelled me to want to learn so many languages. I find them all fascinating. heart Oh, quite. Arabic sounds facsinating. Hablas espanol? (Perdon para los errores gramaticas y de ortografia. No tengo una computador espanola. sweatdrop ) Oh, just a couple of minor mistakes. You should say "puedo hablar", not "poder a hablar", but it was intelligible. My girlfriend's taking Japanese. I never really saw the need for it. It's spoken in one country, so it's hardly useful. I would much sooner learn Arabic. But that's just me. She watches a lot of anime, so she likes to speak it so she can understand the original versions of the animes. Plus, we plan on travelling Asia sometime together...It might come in handy then, though Mandarin would be much more useful. Whatever. At least we both know how to say "I love you" in about 20 different languages.
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:09 pm
Oh, jeez, five years of Spanish and three years of working in a mostly Spanish-speaking environment and that's what it's done for me?? sweatdrop Whatever. I don't actually like Spanish. It was cool before I moved to a place where everyone was from a Spanish speaking country.
And people who learn Japanese just to watch anime without subtitles get on my nerves just a little, but I think that's because I go to a college whose sister school is in Japan and half our student population attends for that reason alone, and then my Japanese class is full of girls whose reasons for taking Japanese is just that. You should take a language because you like the language, not because anime compels you to. But that's just my opinion, and being multi-lingual is awesome, so kudos to your girlfriend. ^^d
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:31 pm
Meh...She's enjoying the class. That's the most I can hope for. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:20 pm
Lethkhar No, but love and loathing are logical. God, as she has admitted, is not. No, emotions such as love and loathing impede the very core instincts that we, as animals, have (eating, living, and procreating).
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:55 am
Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar No, but love and loathing are logical. God, as she has admitted, is not. No, emotions such as love and loathing impede the very core instincts that we, as animals, have (eating, living, and procreating). Yah think? Let's consider this: Love-Strong connections between family and friends. A sort of "stay together" instinct, if you will. Seems rather coincident to me. Loathing-Disliking another person or thing. Quite natural. If something hurts a person, it is perfectly instinctual to avoid it. Any others that you come up with may be deviants. There are deviants in all organisms.
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:13 pm
Okay, I have to intrude here..
God (I'm going to use the monotheistic God for a while but keep in mind, by saying God I mostly mean w/e higher being you worship.) is logical. It's stupid not to beleive that s/he is logical. If s/he isn't logical, than God can not be perfect because logic is perfect.
Now, I really don't see the point in prooving that a God exists. Why should you? Either way your going to die and once you die, whatever is going to happen will happen. If we just stop functioning, and do the atheist thing, than why would it matter if we are right? Were going to be a decomposing rotting stump of dirt and no one cares what a decomposing rotting stump of dirt thought was going to happen to it.
What really matters is what we do on earth. We need to stop focusing on whether or not God exists, and more one what we do. If we happen to beleive in a God and that God helps us do good, than why should we remove that God from the picture?
Why I don't care whether or not the God and Goddess exist is simply this: Even if they don't (which I doubt), they help and assist me to live my life to the fullest of it's pottential. Why should I care then, whether or not if they actually are real?
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