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Hiitachin Kaoru

PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:33 am


It's my opinion that people should not use the bible as an argument against homosexuality. They are using an ancient book (which may or may not be accurate) to avoid having to look bad for hating people who are different from them. Its just an excuse.
Being gay/lesbian/bisexual is just as normal as being heterosexual. Its not going to go away.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:16 pm


I agree with most of you here(i havent read the whole entire topic)gay,bis,lesbis,etc,they r all just regular poeple that some people
asault becuase of things they learned from the Bible,no,im not against the bible or anything,im just saying,some things that people have learend from the bible,i think they might have misread the bible,i mean,did the bible ever say to attack and hate anyone that is different from you?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:07 pm


Okay, I apologize for my absence, it seems things got a little heated while I was gone.

Rioku: Chill out, this place is for discussing things, so it's perfectly logical for someone to validate your statements. If you don't wish to do so, just say so.

souloe: It's a belief of mine that nothing can be proven absolute, and that everything we have can be flawed, criticized, and so forth. It's mostly about just arguments and logical deductions based on what we've measured thus far. There is no such thing as absolute proof, just what we can guess from our reasoning capabilities.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:41 pm


Forever_Night
Gays, lesbians, bisexuals, et cetera, are just people. i dont think they can realy help being who they are. why are they so socially rejected? I dont understand. Must everyone be closeminded to everything?


same reason blacks were treated that way half a century ago, because they're different.

it'll blow over, as long as people are willing to fight for their rights...so keep it up gays, your voices WILL be heard someday!

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FatherSalem

PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:02 pm


this is simple, people believe what they are taught (on average, some do not...) a child brought up in christianity, believes christianity, a child brought up islamic, there islamac, a person brought up in pure hatred of same sex relations...hate same sex realations, people brought up around same sex realations, see nothing wrong with it..(now again, there are a few who go against what they are taught) i am one who was brought up to believe what i want, I am a bisexual, and proud to admit it, if anyone has a problem, i shall ask "why do you think that", many say it is against the bible, so i ask if they like the fact that they are allowed to practice their religoin in this country, they would say yes, then i ask if they agree that freedom of religon is good?, many also say yes, so then i bring up that buhdism condones same sex realations...by saying that some one can not practice their religon, then they are saying they dont want to practice theirs....some say it's just wrong, so i ask if they believe in love being blind...and if so, then why should it matter on what physically lies between their legs......there are those who can not be attracted to the same sex, just like their are people you just couldn't date, and that fine, but do not hinder my way of thinking, just because i want to date that person.....
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:30 am


Being gay, bi, etc. is just a scientifically messed up brain. It's not their choice to be gay, bi, etc. because they were born that way. Of course, if someone suddenly declares themselves bi to sleep around with anyone, that annoys me. (I know people who do that.)

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:10 pm


FatherSalem
this is simple, people believe what they are taught (on average, some do not...) a child brought up in christianity, believes christianity, a child brought up islamic, there islamac, a person brought up in pure hatred of same sex relations...hate same sex realations, people brought up around same sex realations, see nothing wrong with it..(now again, there are a few who go against what they are taught) i am one who was brought up to believe what i want, I am a bisexual, and proud to admit it, if anyone has a problem, i shall ask "why do you think that", many say it is against the bible, so i ask if they like the fact that they are allowed to practice their religoin in this country, they would say yes, then i ask if they agree that freedom of religon is good?, many also say yes, so then i bring up that buhdism condones same sex realations...by saying that some one can not practice their religon, then they are saying they dont want to practice theirs....some say it's just wrong, so i ask if they believe in love being blind...and if so, then why should it matter on what physically lies between their legs......there are those who can not be attracted to the same sex, just like their are people you just couldn't date, and that fine, but do not hinder my way of thinking, just because i want to date that person.....


You're cutting a pretty thin slip here. People typically don't "beleive" what they are taught. It's closer to a 50/50 split in America. A child brought up christian will either accept it or defy it completely. In islam it's more than religion it's thier entire societal structure so even the ones that don't "beleive" still accept it as their cultural standard.

As for the implications on approval or dissaproval of same sex couples... that's hardly relevant. I have 3 brothers. One is a born again christian who accepts gats but does beleive they're wrong but he's the only christian I've ever met who actually approaches it for an actual christ-like stance of just accepting them in love in the hope that that will draw them to God. He never questions or judges them. Then there is me, I work at the Rocky Horror Picture Show. A good number of my friends are gay or lesbian. I've never had any question about my own tastes though. My next younger brother is very anti-gay. He calls people f*****t as a derogetory term. He's constantly using homosexual references as insults. We're also pretty sure he's gay. The next one is very homophobic. Just very bothered by gays. If a guy with a lisp talks to him he practically has a panic attack.

Sexual preference is something that developes. Sometimes it's innate. Sometimes it's circumstantially established. Sometimes it's conscious. The same can be said about how people feel towards such things.

Some people aren't naturally racist but they naturally fear unknown practices so other cultures cause emotional responses of confusion and anxiety. Over time this can easily become racism. This process is almost the same as towards gays and lesbians.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:13 pm


NishinAlchemist666
Being gay, bi, etc. is just a scientifically messed up brain. It's not their choice to be gay, bi, etc. because they were born that way. Of course, if someone suddenly declares themselves bi to sleep around with anyone, that annoys me. (I know people who do that.)


you're clustering gays in with transgenders. They've proven that transgendered perception is directly tied to the physical developement of the brain. Homosexuality has had nothing of the sort proven towards it.

Grypesagon


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:26 pm


Nothing proven, but it's a a definite belief within the scientific community that there may be more to homosexuality than just upbringing. Not saying that there's a specific gene attached to it, but a variety of different innate factors, such as chemicals in the brain and other physiological differences that may make someone gay.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:49 pm


dboyzero
Nothing proven, but it's a a definite belief within the scientific community that there may be more to homosexuality than just upbringing. Not saying that there's a specific gene attached to it, but a variety of different innate factors, such as chemicals in the brain and other physiological differences that may make someone gay.


I tend to lean more on the theory of preference.

The same way that as you age you build a preference of foods, forms of entertainment, musical styles.
Aesthetic attraction would presumably follow the same rules
While sometimes physical anomolies cause fluxuations in taste buds and emotional balances which can alter attachements. I have trouble getting onboard with the idea that the physical effects can have such a specific conscious alteration.

I don't know if there is a gene that actually controls it. I dunno if there is a physical construct of brain that causes it. I dunno if there is a chemical component. All I know is the odds of there being a gene, physical abnormality or chemical component that tells you brain "No... like boys instead" Seems to be very unlikely based on my understanding of such things.

Grypesagon


FatherSalem

PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:03 pm


Grypesagon
FatherSalem
this is simple, people believe what they are taught (on average, some do not...) a child brought up in christianity, believes christianity, a child brought up islamic, there islamac, a person brought up in pure hatred of same sex relations...hate same sex realations, people brought up around same sex realations, see nothing wrong with it..(now again, there are a few who go against what they are taught) i am one who was brought up to believe what i want, I am a bisexual, and proud to admit it, if anyone has a problem, i shall ask "why do you think that", many say it is against the bible, so i ask if they like the fact that they are allowed to practice their religoin in this country, they would say yes, then i ask if they agree that freedom of religon is good?, many also say yes, so then i bring up that buhdism condones same sex realations...by saying that some one can not practice their religon, then they are saying they dont want to practice theirs....some say it's just wrong, so i ask if they believe in love being blind...and if so, then why should it matter on what physically lies between their legs......there are those who can not be attracted to the same sex, just like their are people you just couldn't date, and that fine, but do not hinder my way of thinking, just because i want to date that person.....


You're cutting a pretty thin slip here. People typically don't "beleive" what they are taught. It's closer to a 50/50 split in America. A child brought up christian will either accept it or defy it completely. In islam it's more than religion it's thier entire societal structure so even the ones that don't "beleive" still accept it as their cultural standard.

As for the implications on approval or dissaproval of same sex couples... that's hardly relevant. I have 3 brothers. One is a born again christian who accepts gats but does beleive they're wrong but he's the only christian I've ever met who actually approaches it for an actual christ-like stance of just accepting them in love in the hope that that will draw them to God. He never questions or judges them. Then there is me, I work at the Rocky Horror Picture Show. A good number of my friends are gay or lesbian. I've never had any question about my own tastes though. My next younger brother is very anti-gay. He calls people f*****t as a derogetory term. He's constantly using homosexual references as insults. We're also pretty sure he's gay. The next one is very homophobic. Just very bothered by gays. If a guy with a lisp talks to him he practically has a panic attack.

Sexual preference is something that developes. Sometimes it's innate. Sometimes it's circumstantially established. Sometimes it's conscious. The same can be said about how people feel towards such things.

Some people aren't naturally racist but they naturally fear unknown practices so other cultures cause emotional responses of confusion and anxiety. Over time this can easily become racism. This process is almost the same as towards gays and lesbians.


I do beg the differ, the only reason america seems to be a 50/50 socitey. is because we "allow" it, i am talking soley upon those who push family raditions, you hit up the deep south, and you can see what i mean, all run, opperated, and controlled by tradition, if a gay/bi is not wanted, he will not be born there, now as i said, some will do so...but only to be different......
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:46 am


Hiitachin Kaoru
It's my opinion that people should not use the bible as an argument against homosexuality. They are using an ancient book (which may or may not be accurate) to avoid having to look bad for hating people who are different from them. Its just an excuse.
Being gay/lesbian/bisexual is just as normal as being heterosexual. Its not going to go away.

Those who believe in the bible hardly hate homosexuals. It simply states in the bible that a marrige is a covanent between a man and a woman. It is my personal belief that those who do not believe in God should be married, but the term marraige has been used for to long to change this.
As for teh bible perhaps not being accurate, archeological digs bring more and more evidence that supports the texts of the bible.

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Purification

PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:10 am


I agree, I'm straight but I get so angry when people reject theses beings.
I mean if the whole world was gay and you were the only one straight, how would you feel if you were rejected?
I mean they are people! Just people! Just they have a different preference.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:53 pm


I'm Bi, and i don't see anything wrong with it. My dad knows, and dosn't care, but if my mom found out she would probably disown me. i really don't understand what the big deal is, Love dosn't have a gender, and people should be tourtured, threatened, or killed because of who they chose to love.

SpellboundRayne


London Goth Goddess

PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:56 pm


No problem. People are afraid that by having gay people, they are going to threaten the straight people's heterosexuality or something weird like that. Everyone's so scared that they're going to be raped by someone of the same sex that they'd rather beat them to death than shake their hand.
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