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 Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:31 pm
All right I'll step in and vote too.
Best: For me I gotta go with Dean. Lets take a look. He joins on a chapter where you need as many people as you need him. On top of that his level and stats are decent enough that you can use him from there. And a C rank in Swords and A in lances? He can use all the lances and most swords when he is unmounted.
Not only that, but he comes along with the Dain scroll which will help out in the long run. Plus he gets his personal weapon the Dragon Lance which gives him the option to attack twice no matter what. He's an A in my book for sure.
Worst: FD laid out out for Eda. She is no Dean and needs scroll abuse.
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Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:03 pm
Nomad Rath LOLWUT @ ID (Purpose) for worst up the shizzles like crizzles. What game were you playin'.
I know it sounds rude and disrespectful and I apologize to you, but that is the same attitude you threw at me in that last comment as well as the other comments you've made such as the one during the Lord topic. Now just because my choices are different from you, you don't see me making rude comment and critiques about your choices. Why? Because you gave your reasons and opinions about your choices and I respect that.
And although my choices are "weird" to you that you have overlooked (again), you should fully be aware that I don't play as many FE games as you. After all, there are some of us like Mordecai and Legault who haven't play other games, putting us in a disadvantage when making decisions of which is best and worst. Furthermore, you should also be aware that even though we haven't play the games, it doesn't mean that the choices we've made are permanent. I have no yet play other FE games such as FE4, FE6, or Gaiden, but when I do, my opinions will be different than what I've placed in this thread.
In addition, some of us were given no choice when deciding for the worse if being limited to few games such as myself on the Lords and you on the Wyvern units, despite how well aware we are about the stats and experience growth that the units have.
Now I don't mind if you or anyone disagrees with me and like to know my reason behind the choice. After all, you are freed to question my choices as well as making a discussion. However, if I see any rude comment/critique or questions that make it sounds like I've lost my sanity, then I will pull out the Vaida card. So please, shows some courtesy next time. And if you have a rude comment to say, I suggest you keep it to yourself and deal with it on my limited and no-choice-but-being-forced choices. And if you have issue about this post, feel free to contact me either through PM or private IM me. I don't want to create more drama to this thread than it was before.
Okay? Okay. d(^.^)bAnyway, onto the topic... Best: To be quite honest, my mind is quite foggy on Haar (10). I vaguely remember he did most of the killing when he was (re)introduced in Part 2, but I can't remember if he did well toward the end of the Part 2. I may need to find an emulator and play Radiant Dawn to see how well the units are. However, I did remember Haar (9) did well in Path of Radiance. Heck, he soloed his fights during the final chapter. >>; So I give my vote to Haar (9). Worst: Although I would give this vote to Jill (9) since her stats felt mediocre to me at the beginning, thus ditched her when I recruited Haar, I have to agree with what FD said about Cherche. She did came kinda late as we're half way through the game and she was underwhelmed in both offense and defense, even when you promoted her into Wyvern Lord.
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Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:42 pm
I actually agree with you on Id (Purpose), Izzy. It's a nice track and all and it tries to create a certain atmosphere, but I'm honestly not impressed by it. All a matter of opinion for last week since people have different tastes in music, though.
Anyway, I decided I'm going to change my vote to Dean. FE10 Haar is going to win anyway, so it's not like it matters that much, but I think Dean deserves the credit, and even if he's not going to win the whole thing, as much as I think he deserves to, he can at least have my vote.
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Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:53 pm
...Really? Again? I'm getting really tired of seeing these aggressive responses. It's getting old.
1. If you have to put words in my mouth to make what I'm saying sound insulting, then that pretty much proves you're only hearing what you want to hear.
2. You claim I don't respect people having a different opinion. Hm, maybe you be wary about pointing your finger at somebody like that, you know what they say about having 3 pointed right back at you. You wouldn't be making such a fuss if you did respect a combating opinion, would you?
3. I haven't overlooked a thing, Hun. I'm fully aware you haven't played all the games. I don't need you thinking I'm stupid by constantly repeating it. But, um, this topic was about music. It's called playing all the themes in YouTube.
4. Nobody has ever made a rude comment to you as has been explained multiple times. The only thing rude I ever see posted in this topic are your uncalled for reactions because heaven forbid we voice that we disagree with your opinion, without you getting majorly defensive. If you don't want to see people disagreeing, then don't take part in a thread where disscussion happens.
Peace.
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Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:21 pm
Nomad Rath ...Really? Again? I'm getting really tired of seeing these aggressive responses. It's getting old. 1. If you have to put words in my mouth to make what I'm saying sound insulting, then that pretty much proves you're only hearing what you want to hear. I don't think anyone's put words in your mouth, Rath. I think that, maybe, the tone of what you said was lost in the text-based nature of the internet. You said, and I quote: Quote: "LOLWUT @ ID (Purpose) for worst up the shizzles like crizzles. What game were you playin'." Now, depending on how you articulate that, it could come across as either rude, playful, joking, or sarcastic. Without you specifying which it was, we just have to guess at what you meant by that statement, since it changes slightly based on how you'd articulate it IRL. I may not be right about this, but I think these harsh feelings may be stemming from a misunderstanding of intent. I don't know about everyone else, but I'm just gonna assume the best possible intention for any ambiguous comment from now on. But anyway! We were talking about best and worst wyvern riders, right? Let's get back to that. ... Um... the only thing I can really add to progress the discussion is that I don't think Cherche is the worst. She does have lack-luster stats, but she's also in a game with random encounters, so the player can level-grind to get her to usable status. (Of course, I personally don't think I'll ever list a character from FEA as best or worst, though, since you can level-grind and change classes enough to make any of the units useful.)
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Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:42 pm
Grimalkenkid Now, depending on how you articulate that, it could come across as either rude, playful, joking, or sarcastic. Without you specifying which it was, we just have to guess at what you meant by that statement, since it changes slightly based on how you'd articulate it IRL. Taste in music is obviously subjective, so I thought it was very clear that Rath was saying it in good spirits. Rath used the words "shizzle" and "crizzle" even. Fo shizzle is was light-hearted. On the subject of "LOLWUT" though, where the ******** is that guy? I'd be very happy if he were still around right now because he'd almost certainly be voting for Dean this week. Grimalkenkid But anyway! We were talking about best and worst wyvern riders, right? Let's get back to that. ... Um... the only thing I can really add to progress the discussion is that I don't think Cherche is the worst. She does have lack-luster stats, but she's also in a game with random encounters, so the player can level-grind to get her to usable status. (Of course, I personally don't think I'll ever list a character from FEA as best or worst, though, since you can level-grind and change classes enough to make any of the units useful.) This comes down entirely to a different measurement of units and probably a completely different play style (ergo: I'm not saying you're wrong or criticizing you in any way, shape, or form). But when comparing units that are in games featuring infinite grinding, it's commonly assumed no grinding is actually done. Otherwise we could just spam everyone to max stats, but what would that prove? That everyone is awesome with infinite stats? For FE8 and FE13 characters, I always consider their value without any grinding at all. This is how units are compared on other FE sites for tier lists and Best/Worst topics as (I frequent the Forest), from what I've seen. It's further complicated when you're comparing units with access to grinding against units without access to it, so not considering the grinding at all is done to level the playing field in a way, also, as I understand it. Especially since all of the games can be done without any grinding at all. Just throwing that out there. Not saying you have to agree with it. I agree that Cherche isn't the WORST, though. Bottom half, definitely, but certainly not the worst. Flying in Awakening is really good, and Carrier is a really awesome skill.
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Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:11 pm
Manic Martini Grimalkenkid Now, depending on how you articulate that, it could come across as either rude, playful, joking, or sarcastic. Without you specifying which it was, we just have to guess at what you meant by that statement, since it changes slightly based on how you'd articulate it IRL. Taste in music is obviously subjective, so I thought it was very clear that Rath was saying it in good spirits. Rath used the words "shizzle" and "crizzle" even. Fo shizzle is was light-hearted. On the subject of "LOLWUT" though, where the ******** is that guy? I'd be very happy if he were still around right now because he'd almost certainly be voting for Dean this week. I don't normally hang out with people who even use the words "shizzle" and "crizzle," so I had no idea how one should interpret them. People can also get extremely defensive about music, but I don't know anyone here well enough to know if anyone would get up in arms about music choice. I just wanted to try and defuse some of the tension I was sensing before someone blew up. Manic Martini Grimalkenkid But anyway! We were talking about best and worst wyvern riders, right? Let's get back to that. ... Um... the only thing I can really add to progress the discussion is that I don't think Cherche is the worst. She does have lack-luster stats, but she's also in a game with random encounters, so the player can level-grind to get her to usable status. (Of course, I personally don't think I'll ever list a character from FEA as best or worst, though, since you can level-grind and change classes enough to make any of the units useful.) This comes down entirely to a different measurement of units and probably a completely different play style (ergo: I'm not saying you're wrong or criticizing you in any way, shape, or form). But when comparing units that are in games featuring infinite grinding, it's commonly assumed no grinding is actually done. Otherwise we could just spam everyone to max stats, but what would that prove? That everyone is awesome with infinite stats? For FE8 and FE13 characters, I always consider their value without any grinding at all. This is how units are compared on other FE sites for tier lists and Best/Worst topics as (I frequent the Forest), from what I've seen. It's further complicated when you're comparing units with access to grinding against units without access to it, so not considering the grinding at all is done to level the playing field in a way, also, as I understand it. Especially since all of the games can be done without any grinding at all. Just throwing that out there. Not saying you have to agree with it. I agree that Cherche isn't the WORST, though. Bottom half, definitely, but certainly not the worst. Flying in Awakening is really good, and Carrier is a really awesome skill. Hm... not considering grinding when looking at characters... I'll definitely consider that next time it comes up. I don't think that'll change my opinion for this week's poll, though, as I don't usually use Heath or Cormag that much, so it all came down to which unit could most easily be made usable given the in-game mechanics. Will definitely think of characters without level-grinding from now on, though. Thanks.
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Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:13 pm
...I'm not having words put in my mouth?
"But besides that, what the heck you're smoking when telling everyone to go screw themselves if not agree with you? =P "
^ TELL me that she's not trying to put words in my mouth.
I fail to see how such an obviously lighthearted comment could be taken as rude. However, let's go with your argument; we can't ever know how people mean things on the internet. This is true! But it serves in my defense, not hers. This isn't the first time somebody in here has made a simple comment and it's been interpreted as insulting and a big ordeal was made about it.
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Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:25 pm
Nomad Rath ...I'm not having words put in my mouth? "But besides that, what the heck you're smoking when telling everyone to go screw themselves if not agree with you? =P " ^ TELL me that she's not trying to put words in my mouth. Okay... maybe you never said those specific words, but sometimes your lighthearted comments (lacking articulation) came across as implying that. I really don't know what else to say. I'm trying not to take sides because I'm an observer of this conflict and really just want everyone to take a deep breath and move on.
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Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:35 pm
I'd like nothing more. I haven't blown up or lost my temper over this. I'm just expressing that I'm tired of seeing aggressive, over-defensive and rude replies whenever somebody disagrees or questions the reasoning given in a choice.
It's like we're walking on egg shells. Like I told her in IM, I'm not going to tiptoe around people just to make sure nothing I say can possibly be misconstrued. It's the internet and aint nobody got time fo that.
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Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:04 pm
Anyways moving right along then... sweatdrop
Best: There has been some great Dragon riders/Wyvern Riders/ Dragonlords/ Wyvern Lords or however you'd like to classify them. But if I was going to decide on the best out of the best it's going to be a character that has pretty good availability and is just an all around strong unit that is reliable for me. So really out of the bunch it is kinda between Haar from either versions FE9/FE10 and most recently Dean from Thracia 776. I haven't exactly finished this game yet, but I got far enough to get him and I've been using him so I'll just talk about what I can from here. If I didn't play FE5, I probably would've chosen Haar. xD
Haar by all means is one of the best fliers you can get in the game. He'll tank the enemies pretty well from what can recall. The guy just has great bases when you first get him in your group. But on the other hand Dean is actually very good too. He comes right around at chapter 15 I believe, the really big map where there's so many things to deal with in that map I think I am going to go with Dean because he does deserve this spot in my book. He's just a very helpful to have around for me. I never did get the Dragon lance, but I do know that it's a very nice weapon for him to have.
Though, I guess part of the reason why I like him is that Dean doesn't really need it to be a good unit at all. What's cool about FE5 is that there's these things called movement stars. And if you're lucky that character could essentially move again after moving somewhere. Dean surprisingly has a pretty high number of those stars so his chances of moving again can happen more often than usual. He also has a pretty good support bonus from Lady Linoan which actually can help her a lot once you first get her. There is also Dismounting in this game and he can fight pretty darn well with a sword and at a A rank in them is very good! So yeah, my choice is definitely Dean for the best. And that Dain Scroll he carries is very very nice for a chance of getting that 5% movement.
Worst: I originally was going to go with Zeiss for this. Since he suffers being the est archtype. It's kinda like if you put in the effort he can grow crazy good and cap stats. While at the same time, you get Miledy way earlier than when he finally joins you. She'll most likely become promoted already by the time you reach chapter 16. Stat wise in between the two, I have found that they tend to be pretty similar in stats.
But anyways I actually have to agree with both FD and Nom about Eda. I do find her much worst than Zeiss even if he is an est archetype. He can at least grow pretty well if you give him kills if you wish to. I don't particularly find her very useful in much for anything. Her starting bases are kinda not that impressive either. I have tried using her, but so far I ended up going with Dean because he's just so much better. She does come with a killer lance and it's a nice weapon to have but yeah that's kinda all I can say about her... >.<
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Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:10 pm
Maybe I'm mistaken but doesn't Dean have an A in swords?
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Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:24 pm
Oh wait you're right Dean does have an A in swords actually. My mistake~ sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:31 am
This makes me wish I had played FE5, because I have no idea who either of these characters are. Well, I know Dean in name only, but nothing about him.
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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:24 pm
You should totally play FE5, Rath! Especially since you've already played FE4.
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