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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:02 pm
1 Corinthians 13 Silent Harry Mason 1 Corinthians 13 Silent Harry Mason Dalcain Silent Harry Mason That's true maybe, I'm sick of the greed, murder, violence, pain, and suffering in this world. However, we are called to fight it now. God wants us to reach out to others as much as possible before the Rapture, there are still those that need him, until he's ready to come, I'm going to live the best that I can for him. I give only heed to those who do not take warning. After that, I have no help nor aid to give. you can't save everyone. Yeah, not everyone will listen, just like with Noah. But if there is even a chance that one person will listen and believe, then I'm willing to do that. Good for you! I am pleasantly surprised to see I am not the only Christian here. Although I wouldn't say we see eye to eye on this subject, but when has any one sect of Christian faith ever fully believed in the other lol. However, there have always been disaster, Slient Harry, what makes todays disasters so much larger than life than the ones of our forefathers? That's the reason there are so many false prophecies of when the world is going to end. It may seem larger than life to us now, but we haven't seen anything yet. At least that is my take on it. Glad to hear the same thing I guess. ^^ What makes today's disasters different then the last? Well for one, it is happening more then in the past. We have always had wars, and rumors of war, famines, droughts, natural disasters. However, they have gotten much worse, World War 2 took us a step farther down the line, but it will get worse then that if Iran and its allies get their wishes. Now where did I say the end of the world? Now that just covers war, famines and pestilences, look at places in Africa that are really plagued with suffering, Rhonda for example. As for Natural Disasters, think of the Tsunami and all the other things that have happened in Japan lately, think about the other Tsunamis, Hurricanes, and other things of that nature that have happened in certain years. Look at the headlines around us, look at all the violence and negativity in the world, it has worsened severely over the last 40 years. It isn't that these disasters are new things, it is just that they are happening more commonly, you realize that there are False Prophets and teachers around us? Like the prophecy of the Rapture occurring that Saturday, there have been several people stepping up in front of services and claiming to be Jesus. “But realize this, that in the last days perilous times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.” 2 Timothy 3:1-5 The people in the world have become more selfish, the morals we used to stand on, they tend to be losing relevance in society, a lot of governments have taken God out of society around us. Without things like the Ten Commandments being allowed in public, the crosses being allowed in society, and teaching that we are just highly evolved apes in school, what is to stop people from saying killing is wrong? Why because you say so? Because the law says so? The Rapture doesn't refer to the end of the world, it refers to the coming of Jesus. When he comes, what Paul said will happen, at least I fairly certain Paul was the one saying this, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." 1 Corinthians 15:52-54 Then there is this this, "1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." It refers to the Rapture before the tribulation, now, let me explain why that isn't the end of the world when he comes back to set up his kingdom, I'm just saying this for clarification. It is better to call it the end of the age, not the world. We are currently in the grace period where people are coming to Jesus, it is changing to the Tribulation period eventually. Then, there is eternity, the Bible also states this, "Isaiah 45:17 - But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. Ephesians 3:21 - Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen." Furthermore, in the Book of Revelation where God cleanses the world with fire, he renews it, not destroys it. Renews it from our sins that we committed, currently, we are in a fallen world, basically it means that it is the end for evil, and the restoration of how things were before Adam and Eve sinned. Jesus did say that we wouldn't know the exact day or hour, but know when it is near, even at the door. Israel's rebirth as a nation is foretold in Bible prophecy, Iran as a government along with many other Middle Eastern countries are against Israel, Iran's president's hatred towards the Jewish people is very much like Adolf Hitler's. He claims that his Muslim Messiah will not come back until they exterminate all the Jews. Fun fact: Persia was renamed by Hitler during WWII days, he renamed it Iran, it means arian, basically white supremacy. There is a bible prophecy stating that Magog and Persia would be against Israel in the last days. Magog meaning Russia in this case. Russia seems to be aligning with Iran. Look it up, the things going on around us are in the Bible. Jesus said all of these things would happen before he came back, Israel's rebirth as a nation in 1948 being a big one. It's nice to see all the scriptures together on this however they are not really helping. I know what the word says about what will happen at the rapture, I am just wondering why we think it will happen soon. We've always had false prophets, famines, war, violence. and in just as vast a quantity too. People thought the world was going to end during world war II, when Y2K happened, when Alexander the great died, when budda died, when Britain lost its hold on America,the bubonic plague Etc... Matthew 24:36 says that "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father," so why do we even bother pretending like we can know when it is, or even saying that today was worse than our yesterdays? I'm am positive that people thinking the world was going to end centuries ago felt that things couldn't possibly get worse so God must be coming soon too. Let me explain what I said above about that better. People use that verse constantly to justify us being able to say he isn't coming soon. And true, he could very easily come back in a decade, however he can be here as soon as you read this. Another thing, scoffers, saying, "But we don't know the time or the hour" NO- but we are commanded to know the seasons, he said that the generation who saw the rebirth of Israel would not pass away until he came right? It is obvious that we won't know the exact day or hour, he stated this. But then again, let me say this. He said when all of these things would start to come to pass more rapidly like right now, that he was coming, when exactly? We don't know, but it is clear, that he is walking up to the door, look at all that is happening, read what Jesus said here: Below to his disciples "1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down." 3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" 4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains. 9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." Now look at stations such as Trinity Broadcast Network, or The Church Chanel. Look at several churches around the world, a lot of people are coming to believe in Jesus through these. I don't know the time or the hour, but God is making it clear that it is soon, if I am not mistaken the last thing it says above is that the gospel will be preached in the whole world, then the end would come. If you can see that, you realize that places in the Middle East and other countries weren't always accessible to hear anything about Jesus, but look where we are now. Now there is a time in history where he definitely will appear. Whether that time truly is within the next ten years or in the next fifty years isn't important, God commands us to watch because we don't know the day or the hour. I am not disagreeing and am not giving a date or timeline, I don't know anymore then anyone else. I just know someday soon that it will happen. To deny that it isn't going to happen soon after seeing all that is around us exactly how it is is not his will either. Another interesting thing to note is timezones, when it is the morning here, it is late somewhere else, and vice-versa, there are so many different dates and timezones that specifying a date is pointless anyways.
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:15 pm
Silent Harry Mason 1 Corinthians 13 Silent Harry Mason 1 Corinthians 13 Silent Harry Mason Yeah, not everyone will listen, just like with Noah. But if there is even a chance that one person will listen and believe, then I'm willing to do that. Good for you! I am pleasantly surprised to see I am not the only Christian here. Although I wouldn't say we see eye to eye on this subject, but when has any one sect of Christian faith ever fully believed in the other lol. However, there have always been disaster, Slient Harry, what makes todays disasters so much larger than life than the ones of our forefathers? That's the reason there are so many false prophecies of when the world is going to end. It may seem larger than life to us now, but we haven't seen anything yet. At least that is my take on it. Glad to hear the same thing I guess. ^^ What makes today's disasters different then the last? Well for one, it is happening more then in the past. We have always had wars, and rumors of war, famines, droughts, natural disasters. However, they have gotten much worse, World War 2 took us a step farther down the line, but it will get worse then that if Iran and its allies get their wishes. Now where did I say the end of the world? Now that just covers war, famines and pestilences, look at places in Africa that are really plagued with suffering, Rhonda for example. As for Natural Disasters, think of the Tsunami and all the other things that have happened in Japan lately, think about the other Tsunamis, Hurricanes, and other things of that nature that have happened in certain years. Look at the headlines around us, look at all the violence and negativity in the world, it has worsened severely over the last 40 years. It isn't that these disasters are new things, it is just that they are happening more commonly, you realize that there are False Prophets and teachers around us? Like the prophecy of the Rapture occurring that Saturday, there have been several people stepping up in front of services and claiming to be Jesus. “But realize this, that in the last days perilous times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.” 2 Timothy 3:1-5 The people in the world have become more selfish, the morals we used to stand on, they tend to be losing relevance in society, a lot of governments have taken God out of society around us. Without things like the Ten Commandments being allowed in public, the crosses being allowed in society, and teaching that we are just highly evolved apes in school, what is to stop people from saying killing is wrong? Why because you say so? Because the law says so? The Rapture doesn't refer to the end of the world, it refers to the coming of Jesus. When he comes, what Paul said will happen, at least I fairly certain Paul was the one saying this, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." 1 Corinthians 15:52-54 Then there is this this, "1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." It refers to the Rapture before the tribulation, now, let me explain why that isn't the end of the world when he comes back to set up his kingdom, I'm just saying this for clarification. It is better to call it the end of the age, not the world. We are currently in the grace period where people are coming to Jesus, it is changing to the Tribulation period eventually. Then, there is eternity, the Bible also states this, "Isaiah 45:17 - But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. Ephesians 3:21 - Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen." Furthermore, in the Book of Revelation where God cleanses the world with fire, he renews it, not destroys it. Renews it from our sins that we committed, currently, we are in a fallen world, basically it means that it is the end for evil, and the restoration of how things were before Adam and Eve sinned. Jesus did say that we wouldn't know the exact day or hour, but know when it is near, even at the door. Israel's rebirth as a nation is foretold in Bible prophecy, Iran as a government along with many other Middle Eastern countries are against Israel, Iran's president's hatred towards the Jewish people is very much like Adolf Hitler's. He claims that his Muslim Messiah will not come back until they exterminate all the Jews. Fun fact: Persia was renamed by Hitler during WWII days, he renamed it Iran, it means arian, basically white supremacy. There is a bible prophecy stating that Magog and Persia would be against Israel in the last days. Magog meaning Russia in this case. Russia seems to be aligning with Iran. Look it up, the things going on around us are in the Bible. Jesus said all of these things would happen before he came back, Israel's rebirth as a nation in 1948 being a big one. It's nice to see all the scriptures together on this however they are not really helping. I know what the word says about what will happen at the rapture, I am just wondering why we think it will happen soon. We've always had false prophets, famines, war, violence. and in just as vast a quantity too. People thought the world was going to end during world war II, when Y2K happened, when Alexander the great died, when budda died, when Britain lost its hold on America,the bubonic plague Etc... Matthew 24:36 says that "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father," so why do we even bother pretending like we can know when it is, or even saying that today was worse than our yesterdays? I'm am positive that people thinking the world was going to end centuries ago felt that things couldn't possibly get worse so God must be coming soon too. Let me explain what I said above about that better. People use that verse constantly to justify us being able to say he isn't coming soon. And true, he could very easily come back in a decade, however he can be here as soon as you read this. Another thing, scoffers, saying, "But we don't know the time or the hour" NO- but we are commanded to know the seasons, he said that the generation who saw the rebirth of Israel would not pass away until he came right? It is obvious that we won't know the exact day or hour, he stated this. But then again, let me say this. He said when all of these things would start to come to pass more rapidly like right now, that he was coming, when exactly? We don't know, but it is clear, that he is walking up to the door, look at all that is happening, read what Jesus said here: Below to his disciples "1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down." 3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" 4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains. 9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." Now look at stations such as Trinity Broadcast Network, or The Church Chanel. Look at several churches around the world, a lot of people are coming to believe in Jesus through these. I don't know the time or the hour, but God is making it clear that it is soon, if I am not mistaken the last thing it says above is that the gospel will be preached in the whole world, then the end would come. If you can see that, you realize that places in the Middle East and other countries weren't always accessible to hear anything about Jesus, but look where we are now. Now there is a time in history where he definitely will appear. Whether that time truly is within the next ten years or in the next fifty years isn't important, God commands us to watch because we don't know the day or the hour. I am not disagreeing and am not giving a date or timeline, I don't know anymore then anyone else. I just know someday soon that it will happen. To deny that it isn't going to happen soon after seeing all that is around us exactly how it is is not his will either. Another interesting thing to note is timezones, when it is the morning here, it is late somewhere else, and vice-versa, there are so many different dates and timezones that specifying a date is pointless anyways. Hey! I just read that in the book of Mark! Or was is Matthew? lol I can see what you are saying a little better now, but I am still not sold on it being soon. Maybe it is just the picture in the back of my mind of God sitting on his throne saying," Man! They found out when I set the rapture date again! I guess I'll just push it back another century to mess with them," lol. It's entirely possible that someone had guessed the right date and he changed it, you know, because he can and he is obligate to fufill the Matthew prophecy.
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:23 pm
1 Corinthians 13 Silent Harry Mason 1 Corinthians 13 Silent Harry Mason 1 Corinthians 13 Silent Harry Mason Yeah, not everyone will listen, just like with Noah. But if there is even a chance that one person will listen and believe, then I'm willing to do that. Good for you! I am pleasantly surprised to see I am not the only Christian here. Although I wouldn't say we see eye to eye on this subject, but when has any one sect of Christian faith ever fully believed in the other lol. However, there have always been disaster, Slient Harry, what makes todays disasters so much larger than life than the ones of our forefathers? That's the reason there are so many false prophecies of when the world is going to end. It may seem larger than life to us now, but we haven't seen anything yet. At least that is my take on it. Glad to hear the same thing I guess. ^^ What makes today's disasters different then the last? Well for one, it is happening more then in the past. We have always had wars, and rumors of war, famines, droughts, natural disasters. However, they have gotten much worse, World War 2 took us a step farther down the line, but it will get worse then that if Iran and its allies get their wishes. Now where did I say the end of the world? Now that just covers war, famines and pestilences, look at places in Africa that are really plagued with suffering, Rhonda for example. As for Natural Disasters, think of the Tsunami and all the other things that have happened in Japan lately, think about the other Tsunamis, Hurricanes, and other things of that nature that have happened in certain years. Look at the headlines around us, look at all the violence and negativity in the world, it has worsened severely over the last 40 years. It isn't that these disasters are new things, it is just that they are happening more commonly, you realize that there are False Prophets and teachers around us? Like the prophecy of the Rapture occurring that Saturday, there have been several people stepping up in front of services and claiming to be Jesus. “But realize this, that in the last days perilous times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.” 2 Timothy 3:1-5 The people in the world have become more selfish, the morals we used to stand on, they tend to be losing relevance in society, a lot of governments have taken God out of society around us. Without things like the Ten Commandments being allowed in public, the crosses being allowed in society, and teaching that we are just highly evolved apes in school, what is to stop people from saying killing is wrong? Why because you say so? Because the law says so? The Rapture doesn't refer to the end of the world, it refers to the coming of Jesus. When he comes, what Paul said will happen, at least I fairly certain Paul was the one saying this, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." 1 Corinthians 15:52-54 Then there is this this, "1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." It refers to the Rapture before the tribulation, now, let me explain why that isn't the end of the world when he comes back to set up his kingdom, I'm just saying this for clarification. It is better to call it the end of the age, not the world. We are currently in the grace period where people are coming to Jesus, it is changing to the Tribulation period eventually. Then, there is eternity, the Bible also states this, "Isaiah 45:17 - But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. Ephesians 3:21 - Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen." Furthermore, in the Book of Revelation where God cleanses the world with fire, he renews it, not destroys it. Renews it from our sins that we committed, currently, we are in a fallen world, basically it means that it is the end for evil, and the restoration of how things were before Adam and Eve sinned. Jesus did say that we wouldn't know the exact day or hour, but know when it is near, even at the door. Israel's rebirth as a nation is foretold in Bible prophecy, Iran as a government along with many other Middle Eastern countries are against Israel, Iran's president's hatred towards the Jewish people is very much like Adolf Hitler's. He claims that his Muslim Messiah will not come back until they exterminate all the Jews. Fun fact: Persia was renamed by Hitler during WWII days, he renamed it Iran, it means arian, basically white supremacy. There is a bible prophecy stating that Magog and Persia would be against Israel in the last days. Magog meaning Russia in this case. Russia seems to be aligning with Iran. Look it up, the things going on around us are in the Bible. Jesus said all of these things would happen before he came back, Israel's rebirth as a nation in 1948 being a big one. It's nice to see all the scriptures together on this however they are not really helping. I know what the word says about what will happen at the rapture, I am just wondering why we think it will happen soon. We've always had false prophets, famines, war, violence. and in just as vast a quantity too. People thought the world was going to end during world war II, when Y2K happened, when Alexander the great died, when budda died, when Britain lost its hold on America,the bubonic plague Etc... Matthew 24:36 says that "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father," so why do we even bother pretending like we can know when it is, or even saying that today was worse than our yesterdays? I'm am positive that people thinking the world was going to end centuries ago felt that things couldn't possibly get worse so God must be coming soon too. Let me explain what I said above about that better. People use that verse constantly to justify us being able to say he isn't coming soon. And true, he could very easily come back in a decade, however he can be here as soon as you read this. Another thing, scoffers, saying, "But we don't know the time or the hour" NO- but we are commanded to know the seasons, he said that the generation who saw the rebirth of Israel would not pass away until he came right? It is obvious that we won't know the exact day or hour, he stated this. But then again, let me say this. He said when all of these things would start to come to pass more rapidly like right now, that he was coming, when exactly? We don't know, but it is clear, that he is walking up to the door, look at all that is happening, read what Jesus said here: Below to his disciples "1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down." 3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" 4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains. 9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." Now look at stations such as Trinity Broadcast Network, or The Church Chanel. Look at several churches around the world, a lot of people are coming to believe in Jesus through these. I don't know the time or the hour, but God is making it clear that it is soon, if I am not mistaken the last thing it says above is that the gospel will be preached in the whole world, then the end would come. If you can see that, you realize that places in the Middle East and other countries weren't always accessible to hear anything about Jesus, but look where we are now. Now there is a time in history where he definitely will appear. Whether that time truly is within the next ten years or in the next fifty years isn't important, God commands us to watch because we don't know the day or the hour. I am not disagreeing and am not giving a date or timeline, I don't know anymore then anyone else. I just know someday soon that it will happen. To deny that it isn't going to happen soon after seeing all that is around us exactly how it is is not his will either. Another interesting thing to note is timezones, when it is the morning here, it is late somewhere else, and vice-versa, there are so many different dates and timezones that specifying a date is pointless anyways. Hey! I just read that in the book of Mark! Or was is Matthew? lol I can see what you are saying a little better now, but I am still not sold on it being soon. Maybe it is just the picture in the back of my mind of God sitting on his throne saying," Man! They found out when I set the rapture date again! I guess I'll just push it back another century to mess with them," lol. It's entirely possible that someone had guessed the right date and he changed it, you know, because he can and he is obligate to fufill the Matthew prophecy. God would only delay his timing so more people could be able to come to him, he would never do that to mess with people. Dx He is still coming soon, when soon, or how soon? Who knows. And no, Jesus said himself that only the father knows the day and the hour, nobody could ever guess it exactly. "21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God bis within you. 22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. 23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. 24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day"
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:25 pm
Silent Harry Mason 1 Corinthians 13 Silent Harry Mason 1 Corinthians 13 Silent Harry Mason Glad to hear the same thing I guess. ^^ What makes today's disasters different then the last? Well for one, it is happening more then in the past. We have always had wars, and rumors of war, famines, droughts, natural disasters. However, they have gotten much worse, World War 2 took us a step farther down the line, but it will get worse then that if Iran and its allies get their wishes. Now where did I say the end of the world? Now that just covers war, famines and pestilences, look at places in Africa that are really plagued with suffering, Rhonda for example. As for Natural Disasters, think of the Tsunami and all the other things that have happened in Japan lately, think about the other Tsunamis, Hurricanes, and other things of that nature that have happened in certain years. Look at the headlines around us, look at all the violence and negativity in the world, it has worsened severely over the last 40 years. It isn't that these disasters are new things, it is just that they are happening more commonly, you realize that there are False Prophets and teachers around us? Like the prophecy of the Rapture occurring that Saturday, there have been several people stepping up in front of services and claiming to be Jesus. “But realize this, that in the last days perilous times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.” 2 Timothy 3:1-5 The people in the world have become more selfish, the morals we used to stand on, they tend to be losing relevance in society, a lot of governments have taken God out of society around us. Without things like the Ten Commandments being allowed in public, the crosses being allowed in society, and teaching that we are just highly evolved apes in school, what is to stop people from saying killing is wrong? Why because you say so? Because the law says so? The Rapture doesn't refer to the end of the world, it refers to the coming of Jesus. When he comes, what Paul said will happen, at least I fairly certain Paul was the one saying this, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." 1 Corinthians 15:52-54 Then there is this this, "1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." It refers to the Rapture before the tribulation, now, let me explain why that isn't the end of the world when he comes back to set up his kingdom, I'm just saying this for clarification. It is better to call it the end of the age, not the world. We are currently in the grace period where people are coming to Jesus, it is changing to the Tribulation period eventually. Then, there is eternity, the Bible also states this, "Isaiah 45:17 - But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. Ephesians 3:21 - Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen." Furthermore, in the Book of Revelation where God cleanses the world with fire, he renews it, not destroys it. Renews it from our sins that we committed, currently, we are in a fallen world, basically it means that it is the end for evil, and the restoration of how things were before Adam and Eve sinned. Jesus did say that we wouldn't know the exact day or hour, but know when it is near, even at the door. Israel's rebirth as a nation is foretold in Bible prophecy, Iran as a government along with many other Middle Eastern countries are against Israel, Iran's president's hatred towards the Jewish people is very much like Adolf Hitler's. He claims that his Muslim Messiah will not come back until they exterminate all the Jews. Fun fact: Persia was renamed by Hitler during WWII days, he renamed it Iran, it means arian, basically white supremacy. There is a bible prophecy stating that Magog and Persia would be against Israel in the last days. Magog meaning Russia in this case. Russia seems to be aligning with Iran. Look it up, the things going on around us are in the Bible. Jesus said all of these things would happen before he came back, Israel's rebirth as a nation in 1948 being a big one. It's nice to see all the scriptures together on this however they are not really helping. I know what the word says about what will happen at the rapture, I am just wondering why we think it will happen soon. We've always had false prophets, famines, war, violence. and in just as vast a quantity too. People thought the world was going to end during world war II, when Y2K happened, when Alexander the great died, when budda died, when Britain lost its hold on America,the bubonic plague Etc... Matthew 24:36 says that "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father," so why do we even bother pretending like we can know when it is, or even saying that today was worse than our yesterdays? I'm am positive that people thinking the world was going to end centuries ago felt that things couldn't possibly get worse so God must be coming soon too. Let me explain what I said above about that better. People use that verse constantly to justify us being able to say he isn't coming soon. And true, he could very easily come back in a decade, however he can be here as soon as you read this. Another thing, scoffers, saying, "But we don't know the time or the hour" NO- but we are commanded to know the seasons, he said that the generation who saw the rebirth of Israel would not pass away until he came right? It is obvious that we won't know the exact day or hour, he stated this. But then again, let me say this. He said when all of these things would start to come to pass more rapidly like right now, that he was coming, when exactly? We don't know, but it is clear, that he is walking up to the door, look at all that is happening, read what Jesus said here: Below to his disciples "1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down." 3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" 4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains. 9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." Now look at stations such as Trinity Broadcast Network, or The Church Chanel. Look at several churches around the world, a lot of people are coming to believe in Jesus through these. I don't know the time or the hour, but God is making it clear that it is soon, if I am not mistaken the last thing it says above is that the gospel will be preached in the whole world, then the end would come. If you can see that, you realize that places in the Middle East and other countries weren't always accessible to hear anything about Jesus, but look where we are now. Now there is a time in history where he definitely will appear. Whether that time truly is within the next ten years or in the next fifty years isn't important, God commands us to watch because we don't know the day or the hour. I am not disagreeing and am not giving a date or timeline, I don't know anymore then anyone else. I just know someday soon that it will happen. To deny that it isn't going to happen soon after seeing all that is around us exactly how it is is not his will either. Another interesting thing to note is timezones, when it is the morning here, it is late somewhere else, and vice-versa, there are so many different dates and timezones that specifying a date is pointless anyways. Hey! I just read that in the book of Mark! Or was is Matthew? lol I can see what you are saying a little better now, but I am still not sold on it being soon. Maybe it is just the picture in the back of my mind of God sitting on his throne saying," Man! They found out when I set the rapture date again! I guess I'll just push it back another century to mess with them," lol. It's entirely possible that someone had guessed the right date and he changed it, you know, because he can and he is obligate to fufill the Matthew prophecy. God would only delay his timing so more people could be able to come to him, he would never do that to mess with people. Dx He is still coming soon, when soon, or how soon? Who knows. And no, Jesus said himself that only the father knows the day and the hour, nobody could ever guess it exactly. "21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God bis within you. 22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. 23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. 24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day" I'm not saying that God would actually delay the rapture for funsies. I'm just saying that runs through my mind every time I think of the rapture lol. Although I don't doubt that he could, for any reason.
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:40 pm
Oh, I see what you mean. xD
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:29 pm
As much I believe in God and Jesus, I don't think the Bible is a reliable source of information. It has been edited so much that it's barely a fraction of what it's supposed to be. Not only that, but many of the passages are only a mans opinion, not God's Word. The only thing that's reliable is the ten commandments, and even THOSE have been altered or misinterpreted. For instance, thou shalt not kill is supposed to be thou shalt not MURDER, because killing and murder are different. It's ok to KILL someone for trying to MURDER you or your family, or for stealing you livelihood.
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:44 am
Akakia Blossom As much I believe in God and Jesus, I don't think the Bible is a reliable source of information. It has been edited so much that it's barely a fraction of what it's supposed to be. Not only that, but many of the passages are only a mans opinion, not God's Word. The only thing that's reliable is the ten commandments, and even THOSE have been altered or misinterpreted. For instance, thou shalt not kill is supposed to be thou shalt not MURDER, because killing and murder are different. It's ok to KILL someone for trying to MURDER you or your family, or for stealing you livelihood. So in other words, you believe that you can't trust the bible because people have "edited it" Why do you say that? Can you show me the editing? Where is it edited. I believe that that really doesn't count, because it is rather obvious that it's saying that if you base on what God told them to do and what not to do. The bible was given by inspiration. Now you have pointed out that, but it isn't edited, it depends on how you interpret it, and there IS a Wrong and Right interpretation of what the Bible says. I don't think God would tell the Israelites to not kill one minute, then the next minute attack a city and destroy it, in that case they weren't murdering, because if God were tempting them, he wouldn't be holy. And I do agree on one thing, it isn't wrong to defend yourself, I believe that God stated that in his law, if not in that paragraph. Not to sound rude, but how do you know for sure that it is wrong at ALL if it were edited? Have you looked at it yourself very closely or do you say that because you hear it said a lot? I'm not saying that there aren't people out there who try to edit and pervert the gospel, but prove that any of it is wrong, I mean you can try to prove it, but really can't say that it is wrong ya know? That sounds more opinionated to me. But do you know what the Ten Commandments are for? They are to show us that we can't keep them. We have all lusted, lied, killed, stealed, worshiped idols in the like. If you can only trust that you are doomed what good is it to you? Let me elaborate. Based on the bible, if you violated any of those commandments, you have violated them all, if you've looked towards someone with lust after them, you've committed adultery, it is to explain that we can't obey God in any of these things, Jesus fulfilled all of the commandments so that we wouldn't have to go to hell. And that's by accepting him. So say if I were wrong, based on the context, we are all screwed anyways and might as well struggle through life hoping to do just well enough that we don't go to hell. It doesn't work like that either, it's pretty simple like this: We aren't basing our goodness on if we are better then Adolf Hitler, or some serial killer, we are basing it on how we compare to God, and according to the Bible God is holy, he is perfect, and flawless. We can't compare, that's why he sent his son. I'm not trying to sound religious or anything like that. To say that it is unreliable makes me question how much you believe, because this is the only book that God Communicates from, not the Quran, or books on living a better life from your psychologist or something.
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:23 pm
Silent Harry Mason Akakia Blossom As much I believe in God and Jesus, I don't think the Bible is a reliable source of information. It has been edited so much that it's barely a fraction of what it's supposed to be. Not only that, but many of the passages are only a mans opinion, not God's Word. The only thing that's reliable is the ten commandments, and even THOSE have been altered or misinterpreted. For instance, thou shalt not kill is supposed to be thou shalt not MURDER, because killing and murder are different. It's ok to KILL someone for trying to MURDER you or your family, or for stealing you livelihood. So in other words, you believe that you can't trust the bible because people have "edited it" Why do you say that? Can you show me the editing? Where is it edited. I believe that that really doesn't count, because it is rather obvious that it's saying that if you base on what God told them to do and what not to do. The bible was given by inspiration. Now you have pointed out that, but it isn't edited, it depends on how you interpret it, and there IS a Wrong and Right interpretation of what the Bible says. I don't think God would tell the Israelites to not kill one minute, then the next minute attack a city and destroy it, in that case they weren't murdering, because if God were tempting them, he wouldn't be holy. And I do agree on one thing, it isn't wrong to defend yourself, I believe that God stated that in his law, if not in that paragraph. Not to sound rude, but how do you know for sure that it is wrong at ALL if it were edited? Have you looked at it yourself very closely or do you say that because you hear it said a lot? I'm not saying that there aren't people out there who try to edit and pervert the gospel, but prove that any of it is wrong, I mean you can try to prove it, but really can't say that it is wrong ya know? That sounds more opinionated to me. But do you know what the Ten Commandments are for? They are to show us that we can't keep them. We have all lusted, lied, killed, stealed, worshiped idols in the like. If you can only trust that you are doomed what good is it to you? Let me elaborate. Based on the bible, if you violated any of those commandments, you have violated them all, if you've looked towards someone with lust after them, you've committed adultery, it is to explain that we can't obey God in any of these things, Jesus fulfilled all of the commandments so that we wouldn't have to go to hell. And that's by accepting him. So say if I were wrong, based on the context, we are all screwed anyways and might as well struggle through life hoping to do just well enough that we don't go to hell. It doesn't work like that either, it's pretty simple like this: We aren't basing our goodness on if we are better then Adolf Hitler, or some serial killer, we are basing it on how we compare to God, and according to the Bible God is holy, he is perfect, and flawless. We can't compare, that's why he sent his son. I'm not trying to sound religious or anything like that. To say that it is unreliable makes me question how much you believe, because this is the only book that God Communicates from, not the Quran, or books on living a better life from your psychologist or something. They have found NUMEROUS books that have been taken out of the Bible over the years. All it takes is a small amount of research, hell all I typed in was 'Was the bible edited' here are some links. http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/thomas.html http://reluctant-messenger.com/gospel-magdalene.htm http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/apocrypha.html http://www.forbiddengate.com/BookOfEnoch.pdf I'm not going to argue over what YOU interpret the Bible or the commandments to mean. I am talking about actual linguistic studies, how language changes over time. Back in Jesus's time a Virgin was a woman who had not been ejaculated into. As we all know pre-c** causes pregnancy which was not known back then. There was a lot of 'immaculate conception' going on back then. When I say misinterpreted I mean it in a very literal sense.
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:32 pm
Silent Harry Mason Akakia Blossom As much I believe in God and Jesus, I don't think the Bible is a reliable source of information. It has been edited so much that it's barely a fraction of what it's supposed to be. Not only that, but many of the passages are only a mans opinion, not God's Word. The only thing that's reliable is the ten commandments, and even THOSE have been altered or misinterpreted. For instance, thou shalt not kill is supposed to be thou shalt not MURDER, because killing and murder are different. It's ok to KILL someone for trying to MURDER you or your family, or for stealing you livelihood. So in other words, you believe that you can't trust the bible because people have "edited it" Why do you say that? Can you show me the editing? Where is it edited. I believe that that really doesn't count, because it is rather obvious that it's saying that if you base on what God told them to do and what not to do. The bible was given by inspiration. Now you have pointed out that, but it isn't edited, it depends on how you interpret it, and there IS a Wrong and Right interpretation of what the Bible says. I don't think God would tell the Israelites to not kill one minute, then the next minute attack a city and destroy it, in that case they weren't murdering, because if God were tempting them, he wouldn't be holy. And I do agree on one thing, it isn't wrong to defend yourself, I believe that God stated that in his law, if not in that paragraph. Not to sound rude, but how do you know for sure that it is wrong at ALL if it were edited? Have you looked at it yourself very closely or do you say that because you hear it said a lot? I'm not saying that there aren't people out there who try to edit and pervert the gospel, but prove that any of it is wrong, I mean you can try to prove it, but really can't say that it is wrong ya know? That sounds more opinionated to me. But do you know what the Ten Commandments are for? They are to show us that we can't keep them. We have all lusted, lied, killed, stealed, worshiped idols in the like. If you can only trust that you are doomed what good is it to you? Let me elaborate. Based on the bible, if you violated any of those commandments, you have violated them all, if you've looked towards someone with lust after them, you've committed adultery, it is to explain that we can't obey God in any of these things, Jesus fulfilled all of the commandments so that we wouldn't have to go to hell. And that's by accepting him. So say if I were wrong, based on the context, we are all screwed anyways and might as well struggle through life hoping to do just well enough that we don't go to hell. It doesn't work like that either, it's pretty simple like this: We aren't basing our goodness on if we are better then Adolf Hitler, or some serial killer, we are basing it on how we compare to God, and according to the Bible God is holy, he is perfect, and flawless. We can't compare, that's why he sent his son. I'm not trying to sound religious or anything like that. To say that it is unreliable makes me question how much you believe, because this is the only book that God Communicates from, not the Quran, or books on living a better life from your psychologist or something. And I'll thank you for not presuming to know how faithful I am. God will communicate in any way He sees fit. If you will do a LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH you will see that many holy books hold the same teachings as the Bible, not only that, they are much OLDER then the Bible. He will open any door necessary to bring his children home. It says in the Bible he has many names.
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:04 pm
Hold on, I wasn't trying to assume how faithful you were, I came across the wrong way if you think that. sweatdrop I know that some of the translations differ slightly, or a lot depending. The Greek and Hebrew languages have words in their language that we don't. But that still doesn't prove that it's wrong. And what I meant was even if what you say is true, that it was edited, what difference does it make? Either way, I guess that we'd be screwed. But you know, if God had this book for us to learn from him, what makes you think that it is all edited? I don't think that a book God intended for us to learn from like this could be changed forever, there are different versions of the bibles with different translations such as references to the rapture. Can you prove that what was supposedly taken out is true or vice-versa? That is what I meant really. And by what I meant by your faith, I mean do you believe the word of God? God says that his book is unalterable in Isaiah 45: 21, by that I believe he means that you can't keep his truth away, yes people can try to pervert, change, edit, redefine, and explain it, even kill off people who believe it, but if it's all distorted and changed throughout all languages, then why do millions of Christians, heck, a large amount of the Christians around the world believe many of the same things? Like the languages should be distorting a lot of the meanings, I'm not saying that they all believe the same thing, but if you look at some of the churches around the world, they seem to believe pretty similarly. Also, if so MUCH of it was distorted, explain why the Torah has predicted many things before they have happened? And no, don't feed me the old "They predict obvious things" kind of stuff. The torah predicts Jesus coming to save us before it even happened, several hundred years in fact. And remember the Dead Sea scrolls? God predicted that Israel would become a nation again according to his word, and it did, but if you look at the close history behind how they made it, it seems like 1 in a million that they would survive, I point that out to show how it isn't a simple prediction. You know? It even goes as far to say that Persia(Iran) and Gog and Magog(Russia) would be against Israel in the last days, do a little bit of research into that and it's not a bland report either, it's no secret that Iran's president hates us, and hates Israel. Isn't it also a bit funny how it said that wars, rumors of wars, disasters, and the like would INCREASE? Yes you can call predicting disasters, plagues, and war like that basic, but that isn't what Jesus said, he said that they would increase until he came. I'm not trying to point these things out to be a jerk, and no he isn't here yet, but you see how things have been heading since 1948 when Israel have become a nation? You can't just disregard all that the bible has said would happen because of editing right? It still happened, which means it must be true. The only thing that hasn't happened yet is Israel being invaded, I mean truly invaded. When that happens, it'll all be set into motion.
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:30 pm
Silent Harry Mason Hold on, I wasn't trying to assume how faithful you were, I came across the wrong way if you think that. sweatdrop I know that some of the translations differ slightly, or a lot depending. The Greek and Hebrew languages have words in their language that we don't. But that still doesn't prove that it's wrong. And what I meant was even if what you say is true, that it was edited, what difference does it make? Either way, I guess that we'd be screwed. But you know, if God had this book for us to learn from him, what makes you think that it is all edited? I don't think that a book God intended for us to learn from like this could be changed forever, there are different versions of the bibles with different translations such as references to the rapture. Can you prove that what was supposedly taken out is true or vice-versa? That is what I meant really. And by what I meant by your faith, I mean do you believe the word of God? God says that his book is unalterable in Isaiah 45: 21, by that I believe he means that you can't keep his truth away, yes people can try to pervert, change, edit, redefine, and explain it, even kill off people who believe it, but if it's all distorted and changed throughout all languages, then why do millions of Christians, heck, a large amount of the Christians around the world believe many of the same things? Like the languages should be distorting a lot of the meanings, I'm not saying that they all believe the same thing, but if you look at some of the churches around the world, they seem to believe pretty similarly. Also, if so MUCH of it was distorted, explain why the Torah has predicted many things before they have happened? And no, don't feed me the old "They predict obvious things" kind of stuff. The torah predicts Jesus coming to save us before it even happened, several hundred years in fact. And remember the Dead Sea scrolls? God predicted that Israel would become a nation again according to his word, and it did, but if you look at the close history behind how they made it, it seems like 1 in a million that they would survive, I point that out to show how it isn't a simple prediction. You know? It even goes as far to say that Persia(Iran) and Gog and Magog(Russia) would be against Israel in the last days, do a little bit of research into that and it's not a bland report either, it's no secret that Iran's president hates us, and hates Israel. Isn't it also a bit funny how it said that wars, rumors of wars, disasters, and the like would INCREASE? Yes you can call predicting disasters, plagues, and war like that basic, but that isn't what Jesus said, he said that they would increase until he came. I'm not trying to point these things out to be a jerk, and no he isn't here yet, but you see how things have been heading since 1948 when Israel have become a nation? You can't just disregard all that the bible has said would happen because of editing right? It still happened, which means it must be true. The only thing that hasn't happened yet is Israel being invaded, I mean truly invaded. When that happens, it'll all be set into motion. I probably should have been more clear. When I said the Bible has been edited I mean the stories have been cut, some people have been left out or their importance subverted, the links gave you will shine a light on much of that. I do believe that most of what's STILL in the Bible has not been changed overly much. (though I have found some disturbing changes from some older copies vs newer ones) Just that it has been misinterpreted. I agree that many of the important revelations and predictions have been left mostly unaltered, I agree entirely about God's word coming through, but you have to remember he gave us free will. He gave us the Word and left it to us to do with it as we would. Unforgivably, greed and pride often cause things to be tweaked. Revelations is about the only thing I consider to be reliable. As it's the most unchanged in the entire Bible. The things that have come to pass are truth and cannot be denied. I like how you had an argument about predictions all by your self. That was highly amusing.
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:40 pm
Ok, I see what you are saying now, I'm not denying the possibility of any changes, and yes, he did give us free will, but I still don't believe that he'd leave us in the world without his truth either, so if there was no one who knew any of it, I think everyone would be in trouble you know? So I don't believe everything has been distorted, or that every bible we have now a days is wrong, however I do believe that there are false interpretations, doctrines, false prophets, liars, and greedy people who have been trying to mess with it. There have been many examples of that greed in recent years.
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