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 Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:52 pm
I ask that you please delete your previous post Quiet because I do not want it there.
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:13 pm
Yuck-FOO I'm in a very fragile state of mind so I ask that if you must squash me do so without killing me. I will tell you what I believe so please do not be upset. Since the beginning of time we have been filled with what is right and what was wrong by God. He has told us what is right and he has told us what is wrong. You ask why being a homosexual is a sin, and I answer look at the consensus. If most people think it's a sin it probably is, why?, because since the beginning of time we knew what was right and what was wrong. Now that's ******** stupid. Islam is going to have the most followers in the world soon.. does that mean Islam is the truth? PRAISE ALLAH! Masha'allah! I give my heart to Muhammed.
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:22 pm
Yuck-FOO I ask that you please delete your previous post Quiet because I do not want it there. were you referring to me? And if so what did i DO.
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:30 pm
Yuck-FOO I'm in a very fragile state of mind so I ask that if you must squash me do so without killing me. I will tell you what I believe so please do not be upset. Since the beginning of time we have been filled with what is right and what was wrong by God. He has told us what is right and he has told us what is wrong. You ask why being a homosexual is a sin, and I answer look at the consensus. If most people think it's a sin it probably is, why?, because since the beginning of time we knew what was right and what was wrong. Geez, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to "squash" you. I don't see why this whole topic is such a freaking big deal. It doesn't matter. I'm going to state my opinion as gently as I can. You say you think it's a sin because God said so and because the bible said so, even if it doesn't make sense (I'm saying it doesn't make sense because it's not immoral). I am completely fine with that as long as you follow all of the other things in the bible that don't make sense. (burn a bull on the altar Lev.1:9, not being near women when they are one their period Lev.15:19- 24, not eating shellfish Lev. 11:10) I know you probably don't though. I'm sorry, I'm just telling you what I believe.
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:37 pm
Riiko..Izawa Yuck-FOO I'm in a very fragile state of mind so I ask that if you must squash me do so without killing me. I will tell you what I believe so please do not be upset. Since the beginning of time we have been filled with what is right and what was wrong by God. He has told us what is right and he has told us what is wrong. You ask why being a homosexual is a sin, and I answer look at the consensus. If most people think it's a sin it probably is, why?, because since the beginning of time we knew what was right and what was wrong. Geez, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to "squash" you. I don't see why this whole topic is such a freaking big deal. It doesn't matter. I'm going to state my opinion as gently as I can. You say you think it's a sin because God said so and because the bible said so, even if it doesn't make sense (I'm saying it doesn't make sense because it's not immoral). I am completely fine with that as long as you follow all of the other things in the bible that don't make sense. (burn a bull on the altar Lev.1:9, not being near women when they are one their period Lev.15:19- 24, not eating shellfish Lev. 11:10) I know you probably don't though. I'm sorry, I'm just telling you what I believe. There are only three people in this guild who are allowed to make an argument with Leviticus, and neither one of us have a problem with homosexuality, one is even gay and the other bisexual!
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:56 pm
Nebulance Mei tsuki7 quietstorm 2 In Medias Res IV Since when is it a sin? Better yet, since when does a toevah have ANYTHING to do with Christians? Oh Leviticus, the most raped book on Earth. From the beginning GOD created the heaven and the earth. He also created humans male and female. He could have made he and he or she and she. I don't believe he had homsexuality in mind for his designed. If it appears anywhere on earth it was by his design because he designed the earth. Nothing on earth is not his design. He created everything and that includes homosexuality. EDIT: By saying he didn't design something on earth that makes him not omnipotent or omniscient. This is the fallacy that claims God is not omnipotent because there is evil in the world. He didn't design evil, but He allowed it, because to do otherwise would interfere with our free will, which is more important. God didn't design murder, either, but that doesn't make him not omnipotent or not omniscient. That only matters if homosexuality is a choice which i believe it isn't.
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:00 pm
Yuck-FOO I'm in a very fragile state of mind so I ask that if you must squash me do so without killing me. I will tell you what I believe so please do not be upset. Since the beginning of time we have been filled with what is right and what was wrong by God. He has told us what is right and he has told us what is wrong. You ask why being a homosexual is a sin, and I answer look at the consensus. If most people think it's a sin it probably is, why?, because since the beginning of time we knew what was right and what was wrong. That is called an Appeal to Popularity fallacy.
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:02 pm
In Medias Res IV Riiko..Izawa Yuck-FOO I'm in a very fragile state of mind so I ask that if you must squash me do so without killing me. I will tell you what I believe so please do not be upset. Since the beginning of time we have been filled with what is right and what was wrong by God. He has told us what is right and he has told us what is wrong. You ask why being a homosexual is a sin, and I answer look at the consensus. If most people think it's a sin it probably is, why?, because since the beginning of time we knew what was right and what was wrong. Geez, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to "squash" you. I don't see why this whole topic is such a freaking big deal. It doesn't matter. I'm going to state my opinion as gently as I can. You say you think it's a sin because God said so and because the bible said so, even if it doesn't make sense (I'm saying it doesn't make sense because it's not immoral). I am completely fine with that as long as you follow all of the other things in the bible that don't make sense. (burn a bull on the altar Lev.1:9, not being near women when they are one their period Lev.15:19- 24, not eating shellfish Lev. 11:10) I know you probably don't though. I'm sorry, I'm just telling you what I believe. There are only three people in this guild who are allowed to make an argument with Leviticus, and neither one of us have a problem with homosexuality, one is even gay and the other bisexual! *grins* Can I veto that? It's a part of the holy text of a lot more than three people in this guild. @ Yuck-FOO, Argumentum ad antiquitatem is a widely used fallacy in debates. Just because something was viewed as okay and good by society at one point in time (or throughout a large period of time) doesn't mean that it should continue. Take slavery in US history for example, for a long time it was okay to treat black people as sub-human because the vast majority of the people believed it to be true. An argument needs to illustrate why that long held tradition is a good thing that should be continued when challenged. So basically you could use the argument but you would also have to show why it should be continued to the exclusion of other forms of marriage.
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:02 pm
quietstorm 2 Mei tsuki7 quietstorm 2 In Medias Res IV Since when is it a sin? Better yet, since when does a toevah have ANYTHING to do with Christians? Oh Leviticus, the most raped book on Earth. From the beginning GOD created the heaven and the earth. He also created humans male and female. He could have made he and he or she and she. I don't believe he had homsexuality in mind for his designed. If it appears anywhere on earth it was by his design because he designed the earth. Nothing on earth is not his design. He created everything and that includes homosexuality. EDIT: By saying he didn't design something on earth that makes him not omnipotent or omniscient. Where do you find instructions from GOD to indulge in the act of homosexuality. Be an angel and lead me to the instructions PLEASE?; direct me to the verses in his word. Now I found his words in opposition. He created the tree in the middle of the garden, and he also gave instructions. Just as the word spoke of man laying with man being an abomination, he detested the act. Trains and tracks were created but It don't mean you step in the pathway of a ongoing train without consequences to your body the train was created as a mode of transportation; It would be your decision to step in front of it. If homosexuality is not a choice then God created it because he created everything.
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:06 pm
Semiremis In Medias Res IV Riiko..Izawa Yuck-FOO I'm in a very fragile state of mind so I ask that if you must squash me do so without killing me. I will tell you what I believe so please do not be upset. Since the beginning of time we have been filled with what is right and what was wrong by God. He has told us what is right and he has told us what is wrong. You ask why being a homosexual is a sin, and I answer look at the consensus. If most people think it's a sin it probably is, why?, because since the beginning of time we knew what was right and what was wrong. Geez, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to "squash" you. I don't see why this whole topic is such a freaking big deal. It doesn't matter. I'm going to state my opinion as gently as I can. You say you think it's a sin because God said so and because the bible said so, even if it doesn't make sense (I'm saying it doesn't make sense because it's not immoral). I am completely fine with that as long as you follow all of the other things in the bible that don't make sense. (burn a bull on the altar Lev.1:9, not being near women when they are one their period Lev.15:19- 24, not eating shellfish Lev. 11:10) I know you probably don't though. I'm sorry, I'm just telling you what I believe. There are only three people in this guild who are allowed to make an argument with Leviticus, and neither one of us have a problem with homosexuality, one is even gay and the other bisexual! *grins* Can I veto that? It's a part of the holy text of a lot more than three people in this guild. . No, no it's not. Do you eat bacon?
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:24 pm
Mei tsuki7 quietstorm 2 Mei tsuki7 quietstorm 2 In Medias Res IV Since when is it a sin? Better yet, since when does a toevah have ANYTHING to do with Christians? Oh Leviticus, the most raped book on Earth. From the beginning GOD created the heaven and the earth. He also created humans male and female. He could have made he and he or she and she. I don't believe he had homsexuality in mind for his designed. If it appears anywhere on earth it was by his design because he designed the earth. Nothing on earth is not his design. He created everything and that includes homosexuality. EDIT: By saying he didn't design something on earth that makes him not omnipotent or omniscient. Where do you find instructions from GOD to indulge in the act of homosexuality. Be an angel and lead me to the instructions PLEASE?; direct me to the verses in his word. Now I found his words in opposition. He created the tree in the middle of the garden, and he also gave instructions. Just as the word spoke of man laying with man being an abomination, he detested the act. Trains and tracks were created but It don't mean you step in the pathway of a ongoing train without consequences to your body the train was created as a mode of transportation; It would be your decision to step in front of it. If homosexuality is not a choice then God created it because he created everything. This is not a good argument. I'm not disagreeing with you on the fundamental issue, homosexuality is not a sin, I'm not challenging that, I'm just challenging your method of proving it as such. The people who disapprove of homosexuality often compare it to murder. stare I believe God created free will. Because of free will there are bad things in this world like murder not because of God. Free will is a gift. (other people would then continue on and compare killing someone to homosexuality) I think this is an extremely valid argument. God doesn't cause bad things, people do. (you can disagree if you like, but I think this makes a lot of sense)
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:36 pm
Mei tsuki7 quietstorm 2 Mei tsuki7 quietstorm 2 In Medias Res IV Since when is it a sin? Better yet, since when does a toevah have ANYTHING to do with Christians? Oh Leviticus, the most raped book on Earth. From the beginning GOD created the heaven and the earth. He also created humans male and female. He could have made he and he or she and she. I don't believe he had homsexuality in mind for his designed. If it appears anywhere on earth it was by his design because he designed the earth. Nothing on earth is not his design. He created everything and that includes homosexuality. EDIT: By saying he didn't design something on earth that makes him not omnipotent or omniscient. Where do you find instructions from GOD to indulge in the act of homosexuality. Be an angel and lead me to the instructions PLEASE?; direct me to the verses in his word. Now I found his words in opposition. He created the tree in the middle of the garden, and he also gave instructions. Just as the word spoke of man laying with man being an abomination, he detested the act. Trains and tracks were created but It don't mean you step in the pathway of a ongoing train without consequences to your body the train was created as a mode of transportation; It would be your decision to step in front of it. If homosexuality is not a choice then God created it because he created everything. Homosexuality is more of a nurture aspect. It depends all on how a person was made up. You don't pop out of the womb with a sexuality, you gain one by the trials and the things that you go through in your life, and those shape you to what you desire. In that regard, homosexuality is neither something that you are born with, nor something that you have a choice in. It is a middle ground between those two.
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:47 pm
Someoneiknow Mei tsuki7 quietstorm 2 Mei tsuki7 quietstorm 2 In Medias Res IV Since when is it a sin? Better yet, since when does a toevah have ANYTHING to do with Christians? Oh Leviticus, the most raped book on Earth. From the beginning GOD created the heaven and the earth. He also created humans male and female. He could have made he and he or she and she. I don't believe he had homsexuality in mind for his designed. If it appears anywhere on earth it was by his design because he designed the earth. Nothing on earth is not his design. He created everything and that includes homosexuality. EDIT: By saying he didn't design something on earth that makes him not omnipotent or omniscient. Where do you find instructions from GOD to indulge in the act of homosexuality. Be an angel and lead me to the instructions PLEASE?; direct me to the verses in his word. Now I found his words in opposition. He created the tree in the middle of the garden, and he also gave instructions. Just as the word spoke of man laying with man being an abomination, he detested the act. Trains and tracks were created but It don't mean you step in the pathway of a ongoing train without consequences to your body the train was created as a mode of transportation; It would be your decision to step in front of it. If homosexuality is not a choice then God created it because he created everything. Homosexuality is more of a nurture aspect. It depends all on how a person was made up. You don't pop out of the womb with a sexuality, you gain one by the trials and the things that you go through in your life, and those shape you to what you desire. In that regard, homosexuality is neither something that you are born with, nor something that you have a choice in. It is a middle ground between those two. I agree that it's nature and nurture but the fact that it has any biological piece to it means God created it because he created us.
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:44 pm
In Medias Res IV ...There are only three people in this guild who are allowed to make an argument with Leviticus... Wha-? So only the English are allowed to argue Shakespeare then as well. I get it. And since I have an entire collection of the Talmud in French/Hebrew/English sitting here I cannot argue it either because I am not Ashkenazi descent as well, I take it? From hereon out anyone is able to argue using the Torah as an example go for it. No one here on this forum has the right to claim it as their own as it is a basic foundation for three of the major faiths of the World. Anyone who claims otherwise is an elitist and needs to back off. I am making this statement based on the abuse of Vayikra towards wording it in an attempt to condone homosexuality as common among the Jewish faith of today. This is a farce, and is abused by the non-faith practicing Jewish culture. Rabbinical Judaic Vayikra tradition upholds that homosexuality is not acceptable, even among Halacha teachings about the subject. Even in modern day, every Rabbi I have ever brought the issue to, including the two Chief Rabbis Yona Metzger and Shlomo Amar of Israel, both teach that homosexuality is not acceptable as a lifestyle and is forbidden in the eyes of HaShem. Both chief Rabbis are very cool, and I suggest meeting them any time in Israel. Yona's family makes awesome latkas.
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:35 pm
Semiremis In Medias Res IV Riiko..Izawa Yuck-FOO I'm in a very fragile state of mind so I ask that if you must squash me do so without killing me. I will tell you what I believe so please do not be upset. Since the beginning of time we have been filled with what is right and what was wrong by God. He has told us what is right and he has told us what is wrong. You ask why being a homosexual is a sin, and I answer look at the consensus. If most people think it's a sin it probably is, why?, because since the beginning of time we knew what was right and what was wrong. Geez, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to "squash" you. I don't see why this whole topic is such a freaking big deal. It doesn't matter. I'm going to state my opinion as gently as I can. You say you think it's a sin because God said so and because the bible said so, even if it doesn't make sense (I'm saying it doesn't make sense because it's not immoral). I am completely fine with that as long as you follow all of the other things in the bible that don't make sense. (burn a bull on the altar Lev.1:9, not being near women when they are one their period Lev.15:19- 24, not eating shellfish Lev. 11:10) I know you probably don't though. I'm sorry, I'm just telling you what I believe. There are only three people in this guild who are allowed to make an argument with Leviticus, and neither one of us have a problem with homosexuality, one is even gay and the other bisexual! *grins* Can I veto that? It's a part of the holy text of a lot more than three people in this guild. @ Yuck-FOO, Argumentum ad antiquitatem is a widely used fallacy in debates. Just because something was viewed as okay and good by society at one point in time (or throughout a large period of time) doesn't mean that it should continue. Take slavery in US history for example, for a long time it was okay to treat black people as sub-human because the vast majority of the people believed it to be true. An argument needs to illustrate why that long held tradition is a good thing that should be continued when challenged. So basically you could use the argument but you would also have to show why it should be continued to the exclusion of other forms of marriage. People also used the Bible to treat blacks as second class as they interpreted the Mark of Cain to be black skin.
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