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| an island. |
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0% |
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| an underwater city. |
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10% |
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| an airship. |
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40% |
[ 4 ] |
| a flying city. |
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40% |
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| an ocean-going city. |
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10% |
[ 1 ] |
| other. |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
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| Total Votes : 10 |
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 Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:18 am
Behatzlacha-S Captain Amaranth Behatzlacha-S Heaven forbid some part of Anachronism be common or cheap! We are citizens of fine culture, arts and words! We do not allow filth to intergrate itself onboard! The how, good sir, would you explain your own presence here? But seriously, what stuff and nonsense! Anyone with a decent head 'pon their shoulders has a place here. 'Twas a jest. I was only making a joke (a farce, really), of your previous comment. I apologise if no one picked up on my humour... Bah; shame 'pon me for not realising that, and thus doubting you - my apologies.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:33 pm
Previous Poll:
Flying: XXII
Floating: VIII
Submerged: VI
Terrestrial: II
Underground: I
I'm still thinking of designs! Still trying to work a right balance between what people have suggested/asked for.
New poll up!
What power source should the city use?
Coal Fired Steam-Power: Truly the Steampunk staple power source; vast piles of coal are burnt to vaporise tones of water, powering the mighty pistons that power the city's machines.
Aether: Distilled from a variety of sources, unknown concoctions are hurled together in vast alembics to produce a still not fully understood form of energy.
Solar: Giant arrays of lenses and mirrors capture the power of the sun to heat water, powering pistons to drive the city's machines.
Yes! There would be a backup system!
Frankly, I'm rather fond of the 'classic' coal-fired steam power. Jus' think it's got something to it the others lack, and 'tis the backbone of Steampunk after all!
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:13 pm
May I propose a hybrid power source? First off, if you ask me, coal may be well and dandy for your average airship. It makes stops where it can resupply and is on the whole a relatively light bird. Now a city, on the other hand, is vast and heavy and for the most part stays aloft, barring some emergency. Now, I think a solar array not only creates less ballast, and makes for a more self-sufficient community, it also lends reason to that large glass and gold tower...a solar collecting spire.
Where does the hybrid come in? Well, with a bit of "aether". In my own writings, I have cited the invention of a substance known as Compression Grade Ethanol, or CGE. CGE is a derivative of corn alcohol, rendered harmlessly inert without raising it's superior evaporation point through a chemical or alchemical process. It can be compressed more than water, and produces steam at a lower temperature, making it a highly effective energy source for steam powered machinery. Also, it is a renewable resource, and the byproducts from it's manufacture can be used for combustive fuel.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:02 am
Fair points, but I'll have to stop you there, because...
The Ship is Not Yet Flying. The poll applies for any city; it really is just 'what source of power would you want the hypothetical city to employ'.
Also, I'll not consider that hybrid, as the "aether" you described is not a source of energy.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:03 am
Captain Amaranth Fair points, but I'll have to stop you there, because... The Ship is Not Yet Flying. The poll applies for any city; it really is just 'what source of power would you want the hypothetical city to employ'. Also, I'll not consider that hybrid, as the "aether" you described is not a source of energy.
True enough. It's a reaction mass. The power would still be solar.
However, I was under the impression that the vote for flight had carried the day.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:21 am
Ok, this will influence my decision even if it is a bit of a hippie question.
Is aether a clean energy source?
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:11 pm
Kurisu of the Hellfire Ok, this will influence my decision even if it is a bit of a hippie question. Is aether a clean energy source? I hadn't really considered it. Thinking about this 'realistically', it would produce waste products. Whilst part of me wants to say 'they're perfectly harmless', I think it would make 'more sense' if they were harmful to a degree.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:14 pm
Rukario_Rue Captain Amaranth Fair points, but I'll have to stop you there, because... The Ship is Not Yet Flying. The poll applies for any city; it really is just 'what source of power would you want the hypothetical city to employ'. Also, I'll not consider that hybrid, as the "aether" you described is not a source of energy.
True enough. It's a reaction mass. The power would still be solar.
However, I was under the impression that the vote for flight had carried the day.Indeed. Ah, I see. True, aerial did seem to take the lead, but nothing has been decided yet. Right now, I'm just trying to gauge interest in things; then I'll be making a few designs to be discussed/voted upon to get the final design. Or something like that.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:45 pm
Captain Amaranth Kurisu of the Hellfire Ok, this will influence my decision even if it is a bit of a hippie question. Is aether a clean energy source? I hadn't really considered it. Thinking about this 'realistically', it would produce waste products. Whilst part of me wants to say 'they're perfectly harmless', I think it would make 'more sense' if they were harmful to a degree. Hmm, agreed, I would like to think of aether as a green energy source myself, but I suppose regardless the excess heat from all three, and the smoke form coal would be a waste product. I'm also trying to think of what would be most reliable. With solar, if the sun isn't available for excess periods there would be an energy deficiency, same if coal supplies ran too low without a shipment, aether, since you spoke of it being distilled could likely be produced locally on site, meaning little risk of an energy crisis.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:51 pm
Not to mention, since it was mentioned that aether could be distilled form a variety of source, and new concoctions could be made through experimentation, it could be made to be more efficient over time, and cleaner.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:03 pm
Kurisu of the Hellfire With solar, if the sun isn't available for excess periods there would be an energy deficiency. Very good points all round, good sir, but you have hit upon the main problem with solar power. In a steampunk setting, as we are dealing with the light just heating water, there is no way to power the city at night. Therefore, unless it was lifted by balloon, a solar-powered aircity would crash at night. I did muse once about some aether-based means of storing this solar energy, but I really felt that was pushing things a heck of a lot. No chemical substance could store such energy for long enough, nor maintain a constant supply.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:03 pm
This was the logic behind my earlier suggestion. I think it is relevant to this discussion.
The process for creating the CGE leaves one with a easily evaporated substance that can be processed by a solar collector, with a combustible byproduct that can be used at night. Also, it is to a degree, green. The corn is a crop, reaction mass, source of fuel, and an air purifier all in one.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:06 am
not underwater or even partially underwater city? sad
How disappointing.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:49 pm
~:Miyavi Kurizawa:~ I dun like that poll.
It doesn't have my option.
The "mostly solar powered, except when we know that the sun won't be out for a while."?
I think the possibility to have a storage system could be made,, for extra power. ((like a supply of back up generators, that would heat the water))
if thats possible?
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:32 pm
Miyavi Kurizawa ~:Miyavi Kurizawa:~ I dun like that poll.
It doesn't have my option.
The "mostly solar powered, except when we know that the sun won't be out for a while."?
I think the possibility to have a storage system could be made,, for extra power. ((like a supply of back up generators, that would heat the water))
if thats possible? Said option is included under 'Solar' - we're jus' talking about the primary means of power here, i.e. that-which-is-used-whenever-possible. If solar were employed, there would - of course - be some form of backup and/or storage.
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