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 Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:14 pm
Frosted Night I disagree with the planned sorting method. I second this. I've never been one for splitting common things up.
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:41 pm
Frosted Night I disagree with the planned sorting method. I hate guilds like that D8 and have quit a few because of it. We (well at least Mr. E and I) believe that this sorting method will simplify the search for specific genres of roleplay. We've tried to point roleplayers in RPs' direction with the Archives, but unfortunately we've never got any feedback for it and well... We can only assume it's not being used very much. It would really be a shame if you would leave only because of the re-organization of the place. As I said, we're really trying to help people looking for RP genres that appeal to them more. We'd really appreciate if you could give it a chance and if you still don't like it to let us know what isn't working right. The Count of Monte Carlo I second this. I've never been one for splitting common things up. As I already told Frosted Night, we're doing this to help members find roleplays that appeal more to them instead of making them browse the whole list, RP by RP. To both: I'd really like to have a better reason than "I don't like it" to explain why you're against the re-organization of the guild. The subforums were barely used, aside from the OOC Forum (and even then, not that much). This way at least the subforums AND the main forum will be used, only differently. We're wanting to try this out. If it doesn't work well for the guild, we'll do other modifications later.
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:09 am
If you ask me there's not really that many roleplays to make the process of reading all of them a big deal, and with this being a small community the idea seems pointless, one could simply say to another person "Hey there's this one roleplay on the Guild you might like. It's Dread's RP, isn't it awesome, like all of his roleplays?"
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:20 am
The Dread Dungeon Master If you ask me there's not really that many roleplays to make the process of reading all of them a big deal, and with this being a small community the idea seems pointless, one could simply say to another person "Hey there's this one roleplay on the Guild you might like. It's Dread's RP, isn't it awesome, like all of his roleplays?" We're aware that right now the guild is still a small community. However, there was a time (not too long ago) when we had much more RPs going on on the main forum. Since we have two mods who now have more time to get around the guild, we're expecting (or at least hoping) that the activity of the guild picks up, that we get new active members and that the guild grows. We made the changes so that when guild activity picks up they'll already be there.
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:55 am
I suppose you're right, however I'm not sure the categories you've chosen are appropriate. Many RPs can and will fall into multiple sub-forums, and some don't fit into any of them. Say an RP is about opposing crime factions? Or perhaps a roleplay that while focusing on a Quest features a a large amount of emphasis on emotions and relationships? Then there are likely to be RPs that kind be classified in any of those, they're just a bit too specific ya know?
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:20 am
The Dread Dungeon Master I suppose you're right, however I'm not sure the categories you've chosen are appropriate. Many RPs can and will fall into multiple sub-forums, and some don't fit into any of them. Say an RP is about opposing crime factions? Or perhaps a roleplay that while focusing on a Quest features a a large amount of emphasis on emotions and relationships? Then there are likely to be RPs that kind be classified in any of those, they're just a bit too specific ya know? Yes, we're aware of that little problem... We basically based ourselves on the "seven basic plots" in literature if you're familiar with them, you could say. Not the man vs. ones, though. 1- Overcoming the monster -> Clash 2- The quest -> Adventure 3- Comedy -> Drama 4- Tragedy -> Crime 5- Rebirth -> Survival The last one, I must admit, is a bit of a stretch as Survival won't always be the "rebirth" of characters, but possibly of the world the RP is set into. As for the roleplays that would fall into different categories, we know. We'll put a roleplay in the category we think fits best or if we really can't decide, we thought of asking the RP's creator where he/she would like to see his/her RP placed. We're also planning on making a sticky in every subforums which people could look up and see other RPs that could fit the subforum's genre but is place elsewhere (with links, of course). Obviously, for this to happen I'm assuming the RP's plot really has to be focused on the other genre as much as the genre in which it was placed under (drama is recuring in many roleplays, however if a RP doesn't focus on it, it's a little useless to bother mentioning). I'm aware all this may be a little hazy right now. We hope to be done with the modifications soon enough (probably will be) so that our members can see what we have in mind for themselves. We won't just do things and leave you guys to figure it all out on your own: we'll most likely make an announcement and we'll explain everything. I'm glad you're asking questions and pointing things out though. It helps up clarify things right now that are still a little confused and it also helps us seeing where things may be a little shaky and where more work needs to be done.
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:21 am
Metal-Ridley The Dread Dungeon Master I suppose you're right, however I'm not sure the categories you've chosen are appropriate. Many RPs can and will fall into multiple sub-forums, and some don't fit into any of them. Say an RP is about opposing crime factions? Or perhaps a roleplay that while focusing on a Quest features a a large amount of emphasis on emotions and relationships? Then there are likely to be RPs that kind be classified in any of those, they're just a bit too specific ya know? Yes, we're aware of that little problem... We basically based ourselves on the "seven basic plots" in literature if you're familiar with them, you could say. Not the man vs. ones, though. 1- Overcoming the monster -> Clash 2- The quest -> Adventure 3- Comedy -> Drama 4- Tragedy -> Crime 5- Rebirth -> Survival The last one, I must admit, is a bit of a stretch as Survival won't always be the "rebirth" of characters, but possibly of the world the RP is set into. As for the roleplays that would fall into different categories, we know. We'll put a roleplay in the category we think fits best or if we really can't decide, we thought of asking the RP's creator where he/she would like to see his/her RP placed. We're also planning on making a sticky in every subforums which people could look up and see other RPs that could fit the subforum's genre but is place elsewhere (with links, of course). Obviously, for this to happen I'm assuming the RP's plot really has to be focused on the other genre as much as the genre in which it was placed under (drama is recuring in many roleplays, however if a RP doesn't focus on it, it's a little useless to bother mentioning). I'm aware all this may be a little hazy right now. We hope to be done with the modifications soon enough (probably will be) so that our members can see what we have in mind for themselves. We won't just do things and leave you guys to figure it all out on your own: we'll most likely make an announcement and we'll explain everything. I'm glad you're asking questions and pointing things out though. It helps up clarify things right now that are still a little confused and it also helps us seeing where things may be a little shaky and where more work needs to be done.
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:53 am
Hm. I see your point. I'll talk to Mr. E about it.
What would you personally go for?
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:01 pm
.:: Like a butterfly through a paper shredder...
What we were hoping to do with the genres was define them by conflict. The main conflict in a roleplay is what separates the roleplays. Like if the main conflict was focused on the relationships between characters, it would go under Drama. If the main conflict was about getting to a certain destination and killing a monster, then it would go under Adventure, even if relationships was a main idea of the roleplay. And opposing Crime factions would go under "Clash," as the main conflict would be PvP rather than the main characters going against the social norm or a dystopian leader.
We feel like each roleplay has one of these conflicts, though some may be a stretch.
However, we're definitely open to new genres. We spent a TON of time trying to figure out the genres, however, we weren't still 100% sure.
So, like Ridley said, would you have any ideas regarding categorizing roleplays? This is for the ease of finding roleplays that would better suit the roleplayer.
...so fricken' awesome. ::.
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:51 pm
Well I suppose that's all fine, though I think the Crime section is redundant, as it's relatively specific, and doesn't cover a very well defined conflict. Going against a Dystopian leader as you suggested, as the main goal would fall under adventure, at least I think so. Going against the social norm is more of a theme than a central conflict. Even if you thought that it should be classified separately from Adventure I think the title of Crime is a bit misleading.
Otherwise I can see that making sense.
Adventure - Party Based Roleplays where the players engage a specific goal, mostly encountering NPCs as antagonists.
Clash - Roleplays that have a strong focus on players fighting each other to accomplish there goals. So maybe warring kingdoms, or a martial arts based RP.
Drama - Roleplays that aren't based on violence or action but solely on relationships.
Survival - Roleplays that focus largely on the survival of the player characters, like a horror or zombie themed RP.
These four categories make the most sense to me, you can fit just about any RP in those, can't see much use for the crime Sub-Forum, as I've said it's overly specific when compared to the others.
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:07 pm
I could see the Crime going into Drama too, but we'd have to change the description of the genre. Instead of Drama being purely based on relationships, we could make it more of a subforum in which the RPs are focused on the development/evolution of one or more characters.
This would make sense in relationship-based roleplays, I think I don't have much explaining to do here. I think it would work in a crime roleplay, as the characters most likely evolve throughout the case or at the very least there's a development related to the accused character (Is he guilty or not? Will he go to jail or be acquited?).
I'm not sure if this is too clear, I'm just tossing out the idea. By the way you've described the genres, Dread, "Crime" would definitively fit in the Adventure genre anyway.
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:56 pm
.:: Like a butterfly through a paper shredder...
I like this! So should I delete Crime and rename the rest, Ridley?
(Also leaving for Thanksgiving dinner, soon, so nothing will get done until later tonight. Ciao!)
...so fricken' awesome. ::.
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:08 pm
Alright, one day and I've already made a contribution, no matter how minor. Suck it everyone that's not me, cause I'm amazing at everything!
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:09 pm
Mr. Eccentricity .:: Like a butterfly through a paper shredder...
I like this! So should I delete Crime and rename the rest, Ridley?
(Also leaving for Thanksgiving dinner, soon, so nothing will get done until later tonight. Ciao!)
...so fricken' awesome. ::. Sounds good to me! The Dread Dungeon Master Alright, one day and I've already made a contribution, no matter how minor. Suck it everyone that's not me, cause I'm amazing at everything. That, you still have to prove to this guild. So far you're not doing too good with humblity. ;P Thanks a lot for your opinion and help, though. Very much appreciated.
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:45 pm
Me!? Unhumble, never, why I'd never say an arrogant in thing in my life, I'm a good boy.And a sexy devil, but that's neither here nor there.
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