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Elder

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:15 am


Nios
London was bomed. 33 people dead. 45 people seriously injured. gonk


TODAY?
By who?

Dude, I live under a rock!
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:17 am


This morning. They don't know who did it. There were four explosions. Three on subways and one on a double decker bus I believe.

Nios


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Elder

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:23 am


Probably about those meetings the UN has been having... Where they haven't gone anywhere. Especially about the budget. :/
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:26 am


They suspect it's because of the G8 meeting in Scotland and how they were given the Olympics for 2012 yesterday. They compared it to the Madrid bombing. The Americans suspect al qaeda of course. They don't know for sure yet.

Nios


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Elder

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:29 am


The Americans also thought it was okay to start a war over not finding any WMDs.

Lesson in short: Americans are idiots.* Don't trust them.

*Americans with power.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:31 am


I was watching the news earlier but all the news stations I got showed a man speaking about how they will protect America. stare

Nios


Astri
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:39 am


The death count's up to 33 now? Jesus. Last I heard it was only ten.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:40 am


Astri
The death count's up to 33 now? Jesus. Last I heard it was only ten.

gonk crying

Nios


Nios

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:11 am


Since this is slightly connected to the above and since this is a rant thread, I would like to try to express something that drives me crazy.
I hate borders. Specifically mental borders. National borders are good for politcal reasons such as governing a country the way the people like it. National borders are bad in my mind, because of the mental borders.
When I say mental borders I'm talking about the attachment of society's mind to it's own personal national border. It is an excuse to ignore the happenings in other national borders.
Two minor examples that I used above are:
Canada expressed their concern if any Canadian tourists were killed or injured. It is a fair question and an important question. But the way it seemed to be presented is that the tragedy could have been a lot worse if a Canadian had been killed.
America expressed how security measures will be taken to protect Americans. Again it seemed to be presented in such a way that "at least it wasn't America."
Perhaps I just view things wrong. But it doesn't change my mind. I think this whole mental border thing should be broken. People are hurting and dying everywhere all around the world. Compassion should be given to all no matter where they were born and no matter what lead to their suffering.
Arg I'm making no sense. Sorry for this, you can just ignore it. If for some reason you can understand what I mean, perhaps you could explain it better for me?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:53 am


I think you're right, Nios.

PsiberZombie

Dapper Noob


Nios

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:58 am


CraftyUnicorn
I think you're right, Nios.

Maybe I am for once. I don't know if it is a right or wrong thing though. I find myself unable to think with that mentality is all. Same as people don't think the same as I do. Honestly I wouldn't be affected if I heard a Canadian died. I'd mourn the fact that someone died. I say mourn, but I don't mean true greiving as when you lose someone close to you. It's hard to care that much for a nameless stranger. I feel guilty saying that. But when I do hear of a death my heart goes all those affected by that death.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:41 am


Nios
I was watching the news earlier but all the news stations I got showed a man speaking about how they will protect America. stare


Well, America is technically the world Leader.

Now for a rant/article that everyone will hate me for, taking from a LiveJournal half of you don't know I Have! xd

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Apathy Toward Death
Everybody Dies

Being Apathetic is commonly looked down upon. Apathy is often thought to mean not caring about anything, and fleeting. Since it happens to also be a symptom of many mental illnesses, it's also thought that if you are completely apathetic, you will always be sad.

But Apathy isn't so bad. Being only partially uncaring has its strengths. You can, for example, walk into a scary movie, and since you don't care about it, you won't be scared by anything. It's very useful on dates, if you're not scared but your partner is =p.

Anyway, another apathy I have dealt with is apathy toward death. As everyone should know, you will not live forever. Being a Determinist Nihilist, perhaps I have a crappy view on things. But consider this:
Everytime someone near to you dies and you weep for an excessive period of time, some other signifigant person in your life will say "[dead person] would've wanted you to go on in your life and be happy."

So why do we not do this from the beginning?

For me, weeping can be a very good stress release, but it also dehydrates me almost to the point of needing medical attention. The amount of water and liquids I must drink after crying is almost not worth crying at all.

I am a very apathetic person, so when my great-grandfather died, I did nothing. My parents, who I was living with at the time, dissmissed it because I did not know him that well. My great-grandfather's death was like any other day to me, albeit some forced praying (my family is Christian) forced upon me.

Someone much closer to me died several years later: My great-grandmother. I was actually yelled at for not caring. It was brought up at one point that I should get even more psychological help than I already had, because I didn't want to fly to New York to go to a funeral. Frankly, I was happy that my Great-GM died. She was having a horrible life in the nursing home. But I didn't tell my family that, lest I be ushered into more counseling.

Then, a close friend of mine was bludgeoned to death with his mother. It got to the point where I asked, "Why do people go to funerals? It's a waste of money."
If you think about this, the statement is true, regardless if you think I am crazy or not. Caskets and gravestones are outrageous. Combine that with a funeral service, and even with life insurance you're probably going to end up in debt.
My friend was kind, and instead of saying something about how stupid I was, she said, "For closure."

Closure?
If you get word that someone is dead, and simply cannot believe it, then yes, by all means, go to a funeral or see the body.
But if you know the person is dead... Why go? Why weep?
A famous poem "I Heard a fly Buzz-When I died-" was all about how a woman was on her deathbed, people surrounding her, and then this fly comes in.
It's outrageous buzzing attracts everyone's attention, and it ends up that the woman's last thought before death took her was about a green, annoying fly.
This symbolizes that life goes on. Nature doesn't care if your mother dies. Nature does not care that your brother dies.

Everyone will die, everyone dies die, so why do you weep and mourn and say "Why?" It's something I never understood.
It's impossible for them to come back. And if you really needed them, you could always kill yourself and join them-if you believe in that.

I look at death as the circle of life. If someone you don't know dies, do you care? Usually not. So why not have that same feeling for someone close to you?
Surely, if you were leaning upon them so heavily when they were alive, their death is good for you; a learning process. It's the bird pushing her baby out of the nest and saying "Learn how to fly."

You have been dying from the moment you were born, and you should not try to stop the inevitable.
You attempting to cheat death is like standing infront of a roboticized bullet-train and trying to stop it with your bare hands.
You will not succeed.

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Elder


Nios

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:48 am


I think mourning is a very healthy practise. I don't understand why North America tries to condemn it.
I agree that how funerals are done is silly. I think the idea of a funeral is good because it offers some closure.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:51 am


I wanted to play Another One Bites the Dust at my dad's funeral, but I think my grandfather would have thought that in bad taste.

PsiberZombie

Dapper Noob


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Elder

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:54 am


Nios
I think mourning is a very healthy practise. I don't understand why North America tries to condemn it.
I agree that how funerals are done is silly. I think the idea of a funeral is good because it offers some closure.


America doesn't. At least, not in my expierence. It's just me.
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