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Zelyhon
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:00 am


Celaeno
Zelyhon
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Weekend for me! scream

Would anyone have any suggestions of good persuasive speech topics? I need one by Tuesday.

I need a job.

I'm transfering in the spring of 2006 to a state university instead of that fall...thus I need a job. crying
Serious argument or for fun? Political, economic, social? How in depth? How much research do you need to back it up? Who're you presenting it to? Anything you want to stay away from?
Fun thing to do: find an issue people argue about constantly in medicine and argue the oposite point. Pro-animal testing (vaccinations, organ replacement, etc.). Pro-extreme body modification (asthetic amputation, reconstructive animalization, etc). You get to see some freaky stuff and it gives you bonus points for persuasivly arguing something most people are either against or don't like to talk about.
That's fun, I'll agree, but there isn't always that much evidence in favor of it. Now, for some that you mentioned, like animal testing, sure. That you can use actual scientific records and references to prove, but other things that the collective sentiment is against, it can be hard to foind solid resources to use.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:08 am


Zelyhon
Celaeno
Zelyhon
Shoujo Phoenix
Weekend for me! scream

Would anyone have any suggestions of good persuasive speech topics? I need one by Tuesday.

I need a job.

I'm transfering in the spring of 2006 to a state university instead of that fall...thus I need a job. crying
Serious argument or for fun? Political, economic, social? How in depth? How much research do you need to back it up? Who're you presenting it to? Anything you want to stay away from?
Fun thing to do: find an issue people argue about constantly in medicine and argue the oposite point. Pro-animal testing (vaccinations, organ replacement, etc.). Pro-extreme body modification (asthetic amputation, reconstructive animalization, etc). You get to see some freaky stuff and it gives you bonus points for persuasivly arguing something most people are either against or don't like to talk about.
That's fun, I'll agree, but there isn't always that much evidence in favor of it. Now, for some that you mentioned, like animal testing, sure. That you can use actual scientific records and references to prove, but other things that the collective sentiment is against, it can be hard to foind solid resources to use.
Actually, it's relatively reasy so long as you're willing to do the research. There are historical studies, religious papers and a lot of modern doctors, all of whom support the idea of extreme-body modification. People will modify on the basis of religious belief (mostly shaministic and totem related, but there are others who promote scarification as a means to emulate stigmata) as well as aesthetic priniciple. BME, The Journal of Modern Medicine, there are a lot of sources that promote the idea of the human body as a canvas which, as its owner, you can do anything you like to.

Celaeno


Zelyhon
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:18 am


Shoujo Phoenix
Zelyhon
Shoujo Phoenix
Weekend for me! scream

Would anyone have any suggestions of good persuasive speech topics? I need one by Tuesday.

I need a job.

I'm transfering in the spring of 2006 to a state university instead of that fall...thus I need a job. crying
Serious argument or for fun? Political, economic, social? How in depth? How much research do you need to back it up? Who're you presenting it to? Anything you want to stay away from?
I don't do politics. It could be either serious or fun...but I think serious would be better. I am presenting to a small class of about 20 people. I need enough research to effectively back up my stand. I would like to stay away from war, politics, and religion.
Probably something fun would be best then for a small group like that, assuming it's a class you get along with. Shying away from those, I'd say something relating to entertainment or culture might be good. I dunno what, but probably if you want to do a fun, joking speech, P315's suggestion to build off Orlan's "Anime is corrupting the youth" post might be entertaining, if there are other anime fans. But then, you might run into the same problem I had when I did a speech on how to play Magic: the Gathering in my public speaking; only a little niche cares. If it doesn't actually have to be serious, then you've got near total freedom in re3gards to joking topics, like "Does Gollum trivialize those who suffer from Multiple Personality Disorder?" or "Friends: Are they really?" or things like that. If it has to be more serious, it limits it a little, but it's still probably best to stick to entertainment, culture, and other such areas to avoid war, politics, and religion.

But as far as serious goes, you'll have to give me a bit to think of some.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:21 am


Celaeno
Zelyhon
Celaeno
Zelyhon
Shoujo Phoenix
Weekend for me! scream

Would anyone have any suggestions of good persuasive speech topics? I need one by Tuesday.

I need a job.

I'm transfering in the spring of 2006 to a state university instead of that fall...thus I need a job. crying
Serious argument or for fun? Political, economic, social? How in depth? How much research do you need to back it up? Who're you presenting it to? Anything you want to stay away from?
Fun thing to do: find an issue people argue about constantly in medicine and argue the oposite point. Pro-animal testing (vaccinations, organ replacement, etc.). Pro-extreme body modification (asthetic amputation, reconstructive animalization, etc). You get to see some freaky stuff and it gives you bonus points for persuasivly arguing something most people are either against or don't like to talk about.
That's fun, I'll agree, but there isn't always that much evidence in favor of it. Now, for some that you mentioned, like animal testing, sure. That you can use actual scientific records and references to prove, but other things that the collective sentiment is against, it can be hard to foind solid resources to use.
Actually, it's relatively reasy so long as you're willing to do the research. There are historical studies, religious papers and a lot of modern doctors, all of whom support the idea of extreme-body modification. People will modify on the basis of religious belief (mostly shaministic and totem related, but there are others who promote scarification as a means to emulate stigmata) as well as aesthetic priniciple. BME, The Journal of Modern Medicine, there are a lot of sources that promote the idea of the human body as a canvas which, as its owner, you can do anything you like to.
Hmmm...good point. I've done a few of those sorts of controversial statement discussions, but nothing relating to that. It's an interesting topic, and now that I see that there is research to back it up, that sounds like an interesting topic to do. But are there that many people really against/for it? I mean, the bigger scientific debates like cloning or animal testing you hear people argue about all the time, but if you're going for something peoplle always argue about, would that sort of modification get the same sort of vehement counter-arguments?

Zelyhon
Crew


Celaeno

PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:23 am


Shoujo Phoenix
Zelyhon
Shoujo Phoenix
Weekend for me! scream

Would anyone have any suggestions of good persuasive speech topics? I need one by Tuesday.

I need a job.

I'm transfering in the spring of 2006 to a state university instead of that fall...thus I need a job. crying
Serious argument or for fun? Political, economic, social? How in depth? How much research do you need to back it up? Who're you presenting it to? Anything you want to stay away from?
I don't do politics. It could be either serious or fun...but I think serious would be better. I am presenting to a small class of about 20 people. I need enough research to effectively back up my stand. I would like to stay away from war, politics, and religion.
Well you can argue anything you like really if it's something you care about. If you're staying away from the big three, then medical science and art are just about the only avenues you have left. There's a few I can think of right off the bat. Body-modification is one, there's also the genetic market (patient's rights of ownership vs. the doctor's right to research. Believe it or not, it's usually the doctor that wins this one. There's also the sale of genomes (Iceland's gene pool was sold for medical research purposes), organs and blood as a means of income), animal testing and inter-sexed operations (meaning children born either dual or inter-sexed, and the argument of whether they should be operated on or allowed to develope and offered the choice later on). In art there's not much aside from the people who really push the limits. What is obscene and what is art, and do people have the right to judge it? There's the idea of comic books as art. Lot's of cases involving the banning of certain books because their content is considered unsuitable for children, even though they are clearly not meant for children. There was even a guy in Florida who was banned by the court from ever drawing again because his comics were considered detrimental to people's mental health. He's actually subject to random searches of his house, just to make sure he's not drawing. There's also the idea of parody and free speach vs. corperations. There was a guy who got his a** sued off my Star Bucks for parodying their logo. If you want to go the literary route, there's banned books. Lot's of states (and even countries) ban books "for the good of the people" and a lot of people are angry that the government is telling them what they can and cannot read. Books like Mien Kamf (no, it's not spelled right, I know that), The Anarchist's Cookbook, Huckleberry Finn, The Giver, Harry Potter, all banned.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:26 am


Good ideas. I like them. I'll have to think about whether I want to do something serious or not though. I like to laugh...so, hopefully I can do something fun. Anime? Heh, no way in hell I'd talk about that. ^^;;;;; Not where I live.


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Celaeno

PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:31 am


Zelyhon
Celaeno
Zelyhon
Celaeno
Zelyhon
Shoujo Phoenix
Weekend for me! scream

Would anyone have any suggestions of good persuasive speech topics? I need one by Tuesday.

I need a job.

I'm transfering in the spring of 2006 to a state university instead of that fall...thus I need a job. crying
Serious argument or for fun? Political, economic, social? How in depth? How much research do you need to back it up? Who're you presenting it to? Anything you want to stay away from?
Fun thing to do: find an issue people argue about constantly in medicine and argue the oposite point. Pro-animal testing (vaccinations, organ replacement, etc.). Pro-extreme body modification (asthetic amputation, reconstructive animalization, etc). You get to see some freaky stuff and it gives you bonus points for persuasivly arguing something most people are either against or don't like to talk about.
That's fun, I'll agree, but there isn't always that much evidence in favor of it. Now, for some that you mentioned, like animal testing, sure. That you can use actual scientific records and references to prove, but other things that the collective sentiment is against, it can be hard to foind solid resources to use.
Actually, it's relatively reasy so long as you're willing to do the research. There are historical studies, religious papers and a lot of modern doctors, all of whom support the idea of extreme-body modification. People will modify on the basis of religious belief (mostly shaministic and totem related, but there are others who promote scarification as a means to emulate stigmata) as well as aesthetic priniciple. BME, The Journal of Modern Medicine, there are a lot of sources that promote the idea of the human body as a canvas which, as its owner, you can do anything you like to.
Hmmm...good point. I've done a few of those sorts of controversial statement discussions, but nothing relating to that. It's an interesting topic, and now that I see that there is research to back it up, that sounds like an interesting topic to do. But are there that many people really against/for it? I mean, the bigger scientific debates like cloning or animal testing you hear people argue about all the time, but if you're going for something peoplle always argue about, would that sort of modification get the same sort of vehement counter-arguments?
Actually, there ae quite a few people against it. In the same sense that people are against plastic surgery and other forms of elective surgery. They feel that it's not nessecary and that people should learn to love the way they were born. There's also the argument that because people want such extreme modifications on the surface, then mentally they must somehow be really screwed up and have severe pychological issues. There's people who have problems with it because they consider it to be a form of mutilation. Doctors go against it because they say it goes against their oath to "do no harm," the reasoning being that if you are performing an operation that is unessecary, then you are harming the individual. There's the argument for "it goes against nature," "it goes against god" and, my favorite, "if you can redefine yourself so easily with surgery, how do you know who you really are? At any moment you could just become someone or something else. Where is the sense of self in that?"
PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:34 am


Shoujo Phoenix
Good ideas. I like them. I'll have to think about whether I want to do something serious or not though. I like to laugh...so, hopefully I can do something fun. Anime? Heh, no way in hell I'd talk about that. ^^;;;;; Not where I live.
One thing I've found is good for doing fun arguments is try to find something both you and the class enjoy and use that as a basis. Case in point, Public speaking, last speech of the semester: Humerous/dramatic interpretation of literature. In this, you take a piece of literature (or film or TV assuming you can find the script) and present it solo to the class, taking the roles of all of the people in it (and no props, so we had to use voice and posture to denote different characters). Most people took dramatic scenes from movies or books (mostly monologues too), so the girl I sat next to and I decided to take a different route and chose two Monty Python skits. The class, many of whom were Monty Python fans, loved it and each of us got complimented, good class reviews, and subsequent good grades. (And you have not seen the Argument Clinic sketch until you've seen someone trying to do it solo. xd )

Just a little story that might be helpful in deciding on a fun topic if you want to do one of those. As far as seriouc topics, Cel seems to have more specific ideas than I'm coming up with.

Zelyhon
Crew


Celaeno

PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:35 am


Zelyhon
Probably something fun would be best then for a small group like that, assuming it's a class you get along with. Shying away from those, I'd say something relating to entertainment or culture might be good. I dunno what, but probably if you want to do a fun, joking speech, P315's suggestion to build off Orlan's "Anime is corrupting the youth" post might be entertaining, if there are other anime fans. But then, you might run into the same problem I had when I did a speech on how to play Magic: the Gathering in my public speaking; only a little niche cares. If it doesn't actually have to be serious, then you've got near total freedom in re3gards to joking topics, like "Does Gollum trivialize those who suffer from Multiple Personality Disorder?" or "Friends: Are they really?" or things like that. If it has to be more serious, it limits it a little, but it's still probably best to stick to entertainment, culture, and other such areas to avoid war, politics, and religion.

But as far as serious goes, you'll have to give me a bit to think of some.
Going along that lines, it's always fun to argue the Satanic intent of, well, anything. Magic: the Gathering, Anime, music and Dungeons and Dragons are pretty traditional targets. It's always entertaining to get into D&D on either side because both arguements are hysterical.
Culturally there's also fashion and the idea that mini-skirts and low cut tops are poisoning the minds of today's youth. People think that fashion has such an absolute influence on people's behavior that there are schools that have actually banned trenchcoats, black make-up, black clothing in general, t-shirts advertising heavy metal bands, t-shirts with foreign writing on them (because the teachers don't know if it says something obscene or not), etc.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:36 am


Celaeno
Actually, there ae quite a few people against it. In the same sense that people are against plastic surgery and other forms of elective surgery. They feel that it's not nessecary and that people should learn to love the way they were born. There's also the argument that because people want such extreme modifications on the surface, then mentally they must somehow be really screwed up and have severe pychological issues. There's people who have problems with it because they consider it to be a form of mutilation. Doctors go against it because they say it goes against their oath to "do no harm," the reasoning being that if you are performing an operation that is unessecary, then you are harming the individual. There's the argument for "it goes against nature," "it goes against god" and, my favorite, "if you can redefine yourself so easily with surgery, how do you know who you really are? At any moment you could just become someone or something else. Where is the sense of self in that?"
I hadn't really thought of it like that. With those, I can see why some people object to it, and would agree with you that it would be a good one to give, but you might have to give background on it and the opposing arguments if you're adressing a group who isn't well versed in it.

Zelyhon
Crew


3.14
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Professional Powerhouse

PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:39 am


Shoujo Phoenix
Zelyhon
Shoujo Phoenix
Weekend for me! scream

Would anyone have any suggestions of good persuasive speech topics? I need one by Tuesday.

I need a job.

I'm transfering in the spring of 2006 to a state university instead of that fall...thus I need a job. crying
Serious argument or for fun? Political, economic, social? How in depth? How much research do you need to back it up? Who're you presenting it to? Anything you want to stay away from?
I don't do politics. It could be either serious or fun...but I think serious would be better. I am presenting to a small class of about 20 people. I need enough research to effectively back up my stand. I would like to stay away from war, politics, and religion.
I did a persuasive speech once on why people shouldn't put dream catchers in their cars. I got the highest grade in the class.

I think Stream actually gave me a few quotes for that paper...
PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:41 am


Zelyhon
Celaeno
Actually, there ae quite a few people against it. In the same sense that people are against plastic surgery and other forms of elective surgery. They feel that it's not nessecary and that people should learn to love the way they were born. There's also the argument that because people want such extreme modifications on the surface, then mentally they must somehow be really screwed up and have severe pychological issues. There's people who have problems with it because they consider it to be a form of mutilation. Doctors go against it because they say it goes against their oath to "do no harm," the reasoning being that if you are performing an operation that is unessecary, then you are harming the individual. There's the argument for "it goes against nature," "it goes against god" and, my favorite, "if you can redefine yourself so easily with surgery, how do you know who you really are? At any moment you could just become someone or something else. Where is the sense of self in that?"
I hadn't really thought of it like that. With those, I can see why some people object to it, and would agree with you that it would be a good one to give, but you might have to give background on it and the opposing arguments if you're adressing a group who isn't well versed in it.
True. But is also means you can freak people out with pictures like this:
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Celaeno


Zelyhon
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:42 am


Celaeno
Zelyhon
Probably something fun would be best then for a small group like that, assuming it's a class you get along with. Shying away from those, I'd say something relating to entertainment or culture might be good. I dunno what, but probably if you want to do a fun, joking speech, P315's suggestion to build off Orlan's "Anime is corrupting the youth" post might be entertaining, if there are other anime fans. But then, you might run into the same problem I had when I did a speech on how to play Magic: the Gathering in my public speaking; only a little niche cares. If it doesn't actually have to be serious, then you've got near total freedom in re3gards to joking topics, like "Does Gollum trivialize those who suffer from Multiple Personality Disorder?" or "Friends: Are they really?" or things like that. If it has to be more serious, it limits it a little, but it's still probably best to stick to entertainment, culture, and other such areas to avoid war, politics, and religion.

But as far as serious goes, you'll have to give me a bit to think of some.
Going along that lines, it's always fun to argue the Satanic intent of, well, anything. Magic: the Gathering, Anime, music and Dungeons and Dragons are pretty traditional targets. It's always entertaining to get into D&D on either side because both arguements are hysterical.
Culturally there's also fashion and the idea that mini-skirts and low cut tops are poisoning the minds of today's youth. People think that fashion has such an absolute influence on people's behavior that there are schools that have actually banned trenchcoats, black make-up, black clothing in general, t-shirts advertising heavy metal bands, t-shirts with foreign writing on them (because the teachers don't know if it says something obscene or not), etc.
I've got to do the first one sometime, just for laughs! xd Oh, man, those arguments they use crack me up sometimes. You could make a great, entertaining speech just using DnD, Magic, and WoD, leaving all sorts of other stuff out. As far as presentation goes, I might approch that from the angle of saying that they are, using tone and illogical arguments to point out the errors in it and make it very clear it's all sarcastic. Ah, that'd be great!
PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:46 am


Zelyhon
Celaeno
Zelyhon
Probably something fun would be best then for a small group like that, assuming it's a class you get along with. Shying away from those, I'd say something relating to entertainment or culture might be good. I dunno what, but probably if you want to do a fun, joking speech, P315's suggestion to build off Orlan's "Anime is corrupting the youth" post might be entertaining, if there are other anime fans. But then, you might run into the same problem I had when I did a speech on how to play Magic: the Gathering in my public speaking; only a little niche cares. If it doesn't actually have to be serious, then you've got near total freedom in re3gards to joking topics, like "Does Gollum trivialize those who suffer from Multiple Personality Disorder?" or "Friends: Are they really?" or things like that. If it has to be more serious, it limits it a little, but it's still probably best to stick to entertainment, culture, and other such areas to avoid war, politics, and religion.

But as far as serious goes, you'll have to give me a bit to think of some.
Going along that lines, it's always fun to argue the Satanic intent of, well, anything. Magic: the Gathering, Anime, music and Dungeons and Dragons are pretty traditional targets. It's always entertaining to get into D&D on either side because both arguements are hysterical.
Culturally there's also fashion and the idea that mini-skirts and low cut tops are poisoning the minds of today's youth. People think that fashion has such an absolute influence on people's behavior that there are schools that have actually banned trenchcoats, black make-up, black clothing in general, t-shirts advertising heavy metal bands, t-shirts with foreign writing on them (because the teachers don't know if it says something obscene or not), etc.
I've got to do the first one sometime, just for laughs! xd Oh, man, those arguments they use crack me up sometimes. You could make a great, entertaining speech just using DnD, Magic, and WoD, leaving all sorts of other stuff out. As far as presentation goes, I might approch that from the angle of saying that they are, using tone and illogical arguments to point out the errors in it and make it very clear it's all sarcastic. Ah, that'd be great!
Find a way to work in World of Warcraft! xd
Then you can have little elf props and idol worship!

Celaeno


Harbinger of Pandamonium
Crew

IRL Gekko

PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:46 am


Heck, I once wrote an essay on how Chess is the game of the devil, and how it promotes all sorts of vile and evil things. 3nodding
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