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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:01 pm


I mean, short of the fact that it appears in only one video game, a medium known to exaggerate all known items, why else would it be banned?

Hell, an X-wing can destroy an ISD too.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:50 pm


So we tone Force Destruction down or make it an ultimate move... No big deal. We've got Battle Meditation and Drain, both of which are from video games.

Destruction is sort of like lightning, you have Force Lightning and then you have Force Storm, they're the same thing, but one is much more powerful then the other.

So with Destruction, you have Force Burst which is upgradeable to Force Destruction upon reaching Knighthood.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:09 pm


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So we tone Force Destruction down or make it an ultimate move... No big deal. We've got Battle Meditation and Drain, both of which are from video games.

Destruction is sort of like lightning, you have Force Lightning and then you have Force Storm, they're the same thing, but one is much more powerful then the other.

So with Destruction, you have Force Burst which is upgradeable to Force Destruction upon reaching Knighthood.


Battle meditation was a move long before KotOR.

Master Arca Jeth Pioneered it. Look i tup.

More importantly, Force Destruction and Force Burst are two completely different skills. Burst sends out a ball of force which seeks an opponent.

Destruction is more like a kamehamea wave. Not to mention, burst is seen only in one video game. Of the two, I'd rather have desctruction because of multiple demonstrations than some weakass burst.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:10 pm


Actually Destruction is a glowing red-orange ball of force energy hurled at a foe. Which makes it very similar to burst.

At least thats how it appeared in Jedi Knight.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:29 pm


It could be of fire or lightning, its nature is unconfirmed, and unlike burst, it has no "seeker" capability, but can be remote detonated.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:06 pm


I don't think burst has a seeker capability... From the post I just got the impression of the blasts being fast but dodgable.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:09 pm


nope.

In Jedi power battles, they homed in on opponents.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:06 am


That's a game. Would it work the exact same way in the real universe?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:18 am


Hence my point.

Of course, with the force so 'effed up anymore, who's to say it can't?

If you go by the original mechanics of the force, it is plausible to get the "tracking" effect, but the whole "ball of energy" theory is somewhat bogus.

I mean, you could make the ball out of lightning, and then chuck it at your opponent, like Darth Vader did with destruction... but really it's kinda stupid since you can just zap their a** anyhow.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:53 am


You could probably guide any attack with the force, but it'd take much more concentration I'd think.

If Palpatine can summon a wormhole or force storm, there's no telling what limits the force has is there?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:38 am


Palpatine also was the only person physically capable of even summoning those storms, and even he admitted once released, he couldn't control them.

He also wrote the book of anger, the book of something, and the book of creating beasts (the third never finished; I'm looking for ferno to write the ending treatise on that)which basically tell how to be the perfect sith.


But considering who were' talking about, its not surprizing. Not as much as Nihilus' being able to perform drain life on an entire planet at once, not just one or two people...

I personally, while these force powers may be accepted by the big GL, have been turning the Force into more than it is. The force isn't some magic object like in "charmed" where if ou create an incantation, it works magically. Its got limits and boundaries that keep getting stretched.

But I don't care. Just be very careful where you tread with the powers. I wouldn't suggest using them in RP, but if you want to put them down for simple education, go for it.

i mean, people don't even use the powers in the RP as is, so we already know that adding more would be idiotic..
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:16 am


I was tempted to create a sith character that was more in line with Darth Bellum's philosophy. A different bend on the Sith Code, sort of like Kreia in KOTOR II, these sith aren't eager for power over others but power over themselves, the ability to choose their own destiny instead of being dictated too by the force. I was also going to make him a character that uses the force as his primary weapon, not the lightsaber or sword which are religated to a secondary position. Something of a twisted mirror of Link's character.

I was going to give him Destruction, Protection, and Blinding along with a smaller number of the more common powers.

Destruction and Protection both taken a huge bite of a force user's stamina, use them once and the man is tired, use them twice... Excuse me while I collapse from exhaustion.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:03 pm


Kreia's bend was not a sith code at all. Her belief is that the Force is a God, a cruel one at that, that favors and hates certain users and controls your destiny by the decisions made from the ones all around you.

Help someone, you grow stronger, they grow weaker, etc.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:47 pm


I was just using her as an example of a force user that was neither good nor bad... just, odd.

I was going to go with something more along the lines of a different interpretation of the sith code. The promotion of choice over destiny. It goes sort of like this.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion. - Peace is a lie, peace is stasis, inertia, unatural.

Through passion, I gain strength. - Passion breeds strength, be it personal or physical and strength of will in the face of adversity.

Through strength, I gain power. - Strength of will can be the key to both personal and public power, but the greatest power is the power of choice.

Through power, I gain victory. - Power over oneself leads to victory, self-definition, and independence.

Through victory, my chains are broken. - Victory over destiny is the ultimate freedom. You have chosen a new destiny.

The Force shall free me. - The force is your wellspring for all that was told before.

With this sort of structure for an interpretation of the Sith Code it enables a Sith to have a choice, he may choose to be a savior or liberator, or he may choose to be an evil figure. Passion is undefined, for a passion could be anything, a passion for justice, power, wealth, safety, or love and compassion, any of those are available. Thus a sith follower with this interpretation of his code may actually align himself with the Jedi or any other party.

It makes for a much more complex character then most people are willing to attempt.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:35 pm


Except nowhere in the code can you draw tha tconclusion.

Because while you "attempt" to explain the parts to prove it, you're actually adding on your own thoughts. Where is choice in any part of the code? Once you hit the third line, your interpretation of the code becomes a bunch of BS.

You have to actually have something in the code that even hints at that third line and beyond being about choice before you can say it is.

Or is that the entire jist of the sith, that she's assuming there's more to the code than there is, and finding out the hard way she was wrong?

The code in itself does not promote destiny nor choice anyhow. So I'm having a hard time figuring out where you're pulling out this metaphysical meaning about a set of guidelines of how you are to use the power granted to you.

The codes are meant to give you understanding of the purpose of your power. In the case of the sith, follow your emotions, because they'll fuel your strength (which for a dark sider is true, unlike the jedi), and with more strength, you'll be able to do more so you'll be more power. If you're more powerful than your rival, you will win, and thus, you well... win!

Now, if you twist the code over on its back and assume that "pre-destination" is your enemy, then it works. but in the SW universe, predestination is pretty unpopular anyhow. Sure "the force may have brought us together", but that doesn't mean you have to do anything about it.
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