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 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:40 am
A unit of broadsides gives you 3 twin linked railguns, plus the two of a hammerhead. Assuming all hit, you would take out the void shields and structure points of a titan, thus leaving it vulnerable. And a hammerhead is decently armored, while broadsides can be given +4 invulnerable saves, which would give them some protection against return fire.
And anyway, the Tau equivalent of a Titan, the manta missile destroyer, has railguns even more powerful than the ones on a hammerhead or broadsides, and it has more of them. The best way to fight titans is to have three units of broadsides as your HS, giving you nine twin-linked railguns, which is a lot of firepower. And give them shield generators. And protect them with shield drones. Sure it will really cut down on the rest of your army, but their titans will do the same thing for their army. Nine railguns could down one Titan on their own in one turn, and take out the void shields of another. even assuming there are more Titans, a shielded broadside has pretty good survivability. Especially if you give them the shield drones. Though a MMD could wipe out titans wholesale. Given that the titan is not the battlefield counterpart of the hammerheads and the broadsides, any comparison to them is inherantly unfair.
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:05 am
Here is a link to pictures of the manta, with its eight heavy railguns, size compared to a Titan, and its space for four hammerheads. And look at all those turrets! http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Bat.htm
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:56 pm
gah... i don't feel like writing a full battle report, so i'm just gonna leave it at the fact that i won, but it was a very pyhrric victory. When i was done, i had about 3 or 400 points left.
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:32 pm
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:05 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:58 pm
Darth_Ravage Here is a link to pictures of the manta, with its eight heavy railguns, size compared to a Titan, and its space for four hammerheads. And look at all those turrets! http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Bat.htm Its a good thing I decided to check out the link. There isnt enough overhead space for turrets you ignaramius. Those are Devilfish. And as a side note. If you want to speak of Epic models go to the Epic form.
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 2:32 pm
FW are making a 40k scale Manta.It's gonna be huge.
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:29 pm
GT_Popogeejo FW are making a 40k scale Manta.It's gonna be huge. Sweet
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 2:25 pm
Quote: Its a good thing I decided to check out the link. There isnt enough overhead space for turrets you ignaramius. Those are Devilfish. And as a side note. If you want to speak of Epic models go to the Epic form There are no 40K mantas at the moment, so I chose the nearest thing. ANd the only one you see from the front or top has a railgun, qualifying it as a hammerhead. And it is hte same ship, and the Titan is the same Titan. The relative size would be the same, the actual size is what is different. A railgun turret would fit in there. And it says it "features a drop down bay able to hold 4 Tau Tanks." Never says transport, though one assumes it could also carry them.
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:01 am
Darth_Ravage There are no 40K mantas at the moment, so I chose the nearest thing. ANd the only one you see from the front or top has a railgun, qualifying it as a hammerhead. And it is hte same ship, and the Titan is the same Titan. The relative size would be the same, the actual size is what is different. A railgun turret would fit in there. And it says it "features a drop down bay able to hold 4 Tau Tanks." Never says transport, though one assumes it could also carry them. Well, the one with the Hammerhead and Titan in it are comparisons, I assume to show the scale of the Manta. It doesn't nesscessarily imply that the Manta can carry Hammerheads. Even the phrase "Tau tanks" is ambiguous, as both the Devilfish and the Hammerhead are tanks. The model doesn't look like it has room for the turret that's on top of the Hammerhead chassis. I don't know how they plan to turn a profit on the 40k scale Manta. Thing is going to be at least $1000 dollars, and I've heard people wondering how they'll manage to get it to keep it's structural integrity at that size. Oh, and Reddemon, if you're going to call someone an ignoramus... spelling the word wrong just throws a rather ironic light over the message.
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:47 am
Oryn Darth_Ravage There are no 40K mantas at the moment, so I chose the nearest thing. ANd the only one you see from the front or top has a railgun, qualifying it as a hammerhead. And it is hte same ship, and the Titan is the same Titan. The relative size would be the same, the actual size is what is different. A railgun turret would fit in there. And it says it "features a drop down bay able to hold 4 Tau Tanks." Never says transport, though one assumes it could also carry them. Well, the one with the Hammerhead and Titan in it are comparisons, I assume to show the scale of the Manta. It doesn't nesscessarily imply that the Manta can carry Hammerheads. Even the phrase "Tau tanks" is ambiguous, as both the Devilfish and the Hammerhead are tanks. The model doesn't look like it has room for the turret that's on top of the Hammerhead chassis. I don't know how they plan to turn a profit on the 40k scale Manta. Thing is going to be at least $1000 dollars, and I've heard people wondering how they'll manage to get it to keep it's structural integrity at that size. Oh, and Reddemon, if you're going to call someone an ignoramus... spelling the word wrong just throws a rather ironic light over the message.
Pardon my interrupting, but what would be the point of a 40k scale Manta? From what I've skim read, this is just going to be about 3 foot across maybe, compared to a Tital (That I didn't look at.)
Perhaps I'm misinformed, but having a Manta of that scale would likely be completely bloody pointless. You'd need two men or a small trolley to carry it, the base would be insaneply large, and all in all, I think it'll be a waste of resources.
At the Manchester Games Workshop, they have a Tital, and that's about 3 or 4 foot tall, and that things head is about as large as the anonymous Tau tank. That Manta would have to be bloody huge.
My opinion: Either someone's wrong, or we're gonna get a huge price increase to cover the cost of a failed project.
-Mykal
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:08 am
I don't really think it would be practical on the tabletop, however useful, for those very reasons. Its just too big. And the point cost would be off the charts.
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:54 am
there are already rules for the manta in the Imperial Armour 3: The Taros Campaign book, in case you guys didn't know.
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:09 pm
Aren't those for hte epic manta?
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:28 pm
Darth_Ravage A unit of broadsides gives you 3 twin linked railguns, plus the two of a hammerhead. Assuming all hit, you would take out the void shields and structure points of a titan, thus leaving it vulnerable. And a hammerhead is decently armored, while broadsides can be given +4 invulnerable saves, which would give them some protection against return fire. And anyway, the Tau equivalent of a Titan, the manta missile destroyer, has railguns even more powerful than the ones on a hammerhead or broadsides, and it has more of them. The best way to fight titans is to have three units of broadsides as your HS, giving you nine twin-linked railguns, which is a lot of firepower. And give them shield generators. And protect them with shield drones. Sure it will really cut down on the rest of your army, but their titans will do the same thing for their army. Nine railguns could down one Titan on their own in one turn, and take out the void shields of another. even assuming there are more Titans, a shielded broadside has pretty good survivability. Especially if you give them the shield drones. Though a MMD could wipe out titans wholesale. Given that the titan is not the battlefield counterpart of the hammerheads and the broadsides, any comparison to them is inherantly unfair. Ugh Titans. Really need to be playing a LARGE game before you even want to think about them, but nominally titans are drawn from a seperate army list...so the tau would be able to take super heavies in response to enemy titans. I wouldn't feel comfortable taking that many points in heavys unless I was using two force org charts to draw my force from, with an additional list for my titans/super heavies. That said, if it ain't S10 it aint good against the blasted things...but then again, how many people really get to use titans anyway?
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