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Red Kutai
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:01 pm


gataka
You'd need people to discuss them too.

If you want people to do something you need to tell'em and convince'em of why...so why would they?

My theory is essentially that there exist ideas within the community that aren't being shared, and that if it were easier to share them - that is, if we can convince people they're capable of sharing them - that they will be shared. The subset to whom I'm hoping to appeal are those for whom the "why" is already answered; people who have and would be posting suggestions, but simply aren't yet convinced they can.

"Why should I?" is a separate battle, and while I believe there is good reason for it, I've had some trouble communicating that thus far. I'll worry about that a bit more later, when I'm more confident in my ability to express it... sweatdrop
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:03 pm


Red Kutai
gataka
You'd need people to discuss them too.

If you want people to do something you need to tell'em and convince'em of why...so why would they?

My theory is essentially that there exist ideas within the community that aren't being shared, and that if it were easier to share them - that is, if we can convince people they're capable of sharing them - that they will be shared. The subset to whom I'm hoping to appeal are those for whom the "why" is already answered; people who have and would be posting suggestions, but simply aren't yet convinced they can.

"Why should I?" is a separate battle, and while I believe there is good reason for it, I've had some trouble communicating that thus far. I'll worry about that a bit more later, when I'm more confident in my ability to express it... sweatdrop

Lolok. So why do they believe they can't? I can see trouble for the more elaborate serious stuff, but simple ideas are simple to share.

Or are you aiming to help those with more compl.exe proposals?

gataka
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gataka
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:16 pm


Here's a new game for you all dust bunnies: use the site's search to find THE particular word or expression that brings up the most results in Red Kutai's past replies.

My best yet is "beside" with 71 results :3

Also, Alchemy is finally looking interesting xD
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:11 pm


The Red Kutai Game: "anyhow" 264 emotion_awesome

Need to improve scoring system.

edit: maybe use this ?
So that uncommon words that are commonly used by the Frog get a better score...math math math

edit2: that won't work for expressions. hmm.

gataka
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Red Kutai
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:29 pm


gataka
The Red Kutai Game: "anyhow" 264 emotion_awesome

Need to improve scoring system.

edit: maybe use this ?
So that uncommon words that are commonly used by the Frog get a better score...math math math

edit2: that won't work for expressions. hmm.

It's rather easy if you use adverbs, I think; I throw those around like they're going out of style. redface

I was able to hit 1,066 on "actually", but that's a considerably more common word than the ones you were looking at. Also, apart from just curious mannerisms, context helps - there are unusually high numbers of results for things like "animate" (222), "implement" (229), "enemy" (372) and "ring" (979), simply because those are subjects I speak on often. I'm not sure that's quite how it was intended to be played, though... sweatdrop

EDIT: Also, to cheat the system, I've started at the end of your word count list and am moving backwards to see what the most infrequent terms I regularly use are. I could've sworn I'd mentioned a "conquistador" at some point; perhaps I should start designing a new ring set... wink
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:45 pm



The first word I found that I'd actually used was "heeds" at rank 86744, but looking through it most of those are actually more common forms of the same verb (e.g. "heed", "heeding", etc.). I was able to find 70 results for the word "reportable" (rank 86475), and many of those I know to be of the proper form - unfortunately the search also returns results that include "report", "reported", and "reporting", so it's hard to get a good idea of how much the rare term actually shows up. Indicatively, searching "report" produces the exact same results, and that word is ranked 312th - without some other strictures, it could just be a matter of searching the most obscure form of common words, to rack up points... whee

Red Kutai
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gataka
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:26 pm


Ya broken game is broken. Heard about Twirdie?

Anyway...out of curiosity:

Word | Frog | Gat

anyhow 264 1

actually 1066 114

animate 222 117

implement 229 22

enemy 372 46

ring 979 508

"Red Kutai" 17 10

gataka 23 49


...man I wish I could data mine all posts xD
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:41 pm


gataka
Ya broken game is broken. Heard about Twirdie?

Anyway...out of curiosity:

Word | Frog | Gat

anyhow 264 1

actually 1066 114

animate 222 117

implement 229 22

enemy 372 46

ring 979 508

"Red Kutai" 17 10

gataka 23 49


...man I wish I could data mine all posts xD

Here I was going to adjust for total post numbers, but there's only about a 22% difference between us. What do you post all the time, if you're not using "actually", "anyhow", or "implement"? gonk

Red Kutai
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gataka
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:54 pm


Red Kutai

Here I was going to adjust for total post numbers, but there's only about a 22% difference between us. What do you post all the time, if you're not using "actually", "anyhow", or "implement"? gonk
Good question xD

Hmm... aye = 199 , thought = 311, anyway = 220 ...only that? Wow.

I use considerably less words than you do...and I twizzt emz allx teh timx xD
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:59 pm


Think:
Frog: 1301
Me: 463

...this cannot be!!! xD

gataka
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gataka
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:39 pm


I am bored emo
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:11 pm


Remember this?
Red Kutai
gataka
Keep things away longer. How's that for a purpose?

Now would say there's synergy between Diag and Hack?


It's a purpose; if the game facilitated it better, it might even be a useful one. razz

I suppose you can assert that there exists synergy between any two rings; every ring is helping you to achieve the goal of 'defeat enemies' in one way or another, just like any card in a CCG deck can theoretically help you to win. What I'm referring to, primarily, is more direct and obvious synergy - things that are designed especially to encourage players to use them in a particular way, or designed to encourage players to figure out how to use them - subtlety is something I don't 'do' well. whee

That said, I don't see anything in particular between Hack and Diagnose - do you?

I recall answering but I don't remember exactly what. Still have that answer?

gataka
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Red Kutai
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:12 pm


gataka
Still have that answer?
gataka
Yes, that's another story. It's useful in some places x D

I see Rage.

And we're back to the start: as I suspected, it's really a matter obviousness and degree. There is synergy, however it's generally indirect, often not obvious, and rarely can you focus your whole set on a particular idea.

And I'm not talking about your vague anything contributes to victory :U

I like the the idea behind the Pirate set. It centers around placing enemies where you want with Quicksand/Root: pack for Slash/AoE, at bay with/for Shark/Ranged, or keep em' close for Shark/Knockback-less beat down. A Whirlpool that packs mobs in an area would be a great addition to it, but I'm straying off topic.

I guess my point was that there is. My question do you see it? Our conclusion we could use more.

We're in a Yu Gi Oh situation: in the beginning it was all about plain monsters and straight up conflict. Now it's all about how your cards connect and how broken a combo you can make :V

Allowing such is something. Making it work another. Another story. Another day.
Put stuff in the dumpster so I can get another fish o3o


I never actually delete PMs, so my inbox stretches back to May of last year - if you can remember sending it, I probably still have it... sweatdrop
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:16 pm


Red Kutai

I never actually delete PMs, so my inbox stretches back to May of last year - if you can remember sending it, I probably still have it... sweatdrop
lol, wonderful, thanks!! xD

Subject is still on my mind, maybe I'll make a thread ¯3¯

Glad I lost the fish addiction.

edit: I don't clean up PMs much, delete automated stuff, and I still can go back to Jun 12, 2005 ._.

gataka
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Red Kutai
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:29 pm


gataka
Red Kutai

I never actually delete PMs, so my inbox stretches back to May of last year - if you can remember sending it, I probably still have it... sweatdrop
lol, wonderful, thanks!! xD

Subject is still on my mind, maybe I'll make a thread ¯3¯

Glad I lost the fish addiction.

edit: I don't clean up PMs much, delete automated stuff, and I still can go back to Jun 12, 2005 ._.

After this I decided to start deleting any messages from 'admin' and 'Thank you for reporting!' notices, so that I might hang onto messages a bit longer - but that only took me down to about 80% capacity. I don't use PMs exceptionally often, but apparently enough that it fills up in about a year and a half... razz
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