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 Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:38 pm
Yeah, at least Bruce Lee had some balls.
It's just a shame that I don't see anyone trying to rep KUNG FU.
I mean, there's San Shou, though.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:43 pm
Bruce Lee was great at demonstrating techniques.
But no one has ever seen him really fight.. so no one really knows.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:43 pm
******** that. Even Bruce Lee doesn't get wtf he meant with JKD.
He probably was like "uhh... it is what you want it to be."
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:45 pm
A few people saw him fight.
When he was doing movies, other martial artists who were extras or whatever would challenge him to fights and s**t.
But yeah, he never fought a lot. But damn if he didn't have a lot of talent.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:46 pm
The thing is Fox, Bruce Lee IS Kung Fu. Jeet Kune Do is simply Jun Fan Kung/Gung Fu. It's his style of Kung Fu. But that's taking Kung Fu from the literal definition of being "hard work". If you're saying you don't see anyone trying to rep Chinese martial arts, on the other hand...well...again...Bruce Lee. The principles behind his one-inch punch most likely came from his base in Wing Chun when he studied under Yip Man. @Darth: Yes. That, and Arnold also gave us this gem. I don't care what people say. I friggin' love the Governator.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:49 pm
The Darth Vizzle A few people saw him fight. When he was doing movies, other martial artists who were extras or whatever would challenge him to fights and s**t. But yeah, he never fought a lot. But damn if he didn't have a lot of talent. There was also that one guy who challenged him who wasn't an extra, but some guy who had some kind of grudge against his fame or something like that. It's just sad that he went so early. Who knows what he would have done with the martial arts world? Seeing an old Master Bruce Lee would have been awesome.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:52 pm
It's cool, Tenkai. Been there in my senior year.
Bought the movies, the books, did the research, saw the docs.
If there's something about him that I cannot tell you it's because I forgot.
It's kinda how I was saying. He learned kung fu, then starting mixing s**t in from his own personal taste, opened his school and what I think he basically told everyone was "I'll teach you how to kick and punch someone. Then you do whatever you want to do with it".
So, like, JKD is what you want it to be.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:53 pm
Point is... representations of "JKD" and "Kung Fu" have appeared in MMA and Kickboxing before to less than stellar results. Now, one can say "well those people just suck" and there may be some truth to that. But a trained person .. whether they suck against top level fighters or not is still far ahead of someone unlearned. But that excuse is weak because how is it that people who practice other martial arts meet great success while "kung fu" and "jkd" fails? But in the end... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55N8c6tUGegAll fighting ends up looking similar. Once the punches and kicks start flying, "form", "style" and that type of stuff that distinguishes the styles go out the window.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:55 pm
I remember that actually, Tenkai.
It's documented in "Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story". Too sure things are overdramatized in several area's, but in my opinion it got that confrontation down precisely. Because after the fight, he gave the guy advice on how to better himself IN a situation like that.
Hilarious actually...
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:57 pm
JKD is meant to be a philosophy of taking what's useful for YOU and leaving everything else out because it's unnecessary. In terms of what he taught, it was probably just the most baseline s**t, and working on stuff like economy of motion to be the most efficient fighter.
Which is what JKD is all about. Any fighter who takes techniques from other styles and works them into what they do to be more successful is just applying the idea that Bruce Lee championed.
I'm pretty sure Bruce mentioned that a lot in interviews. I can remember at one point he even stated he didn't believe in styles, and that martial arts were simply the expression of the human body, and that JKD was meant to help people shape their own individual means of expression.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:59 pm
C. Fox It's kinda how I was saying. He learned kung fu, then starting mixing s**t in from his own personal taste, opened his school and what I think he basically told everyone was "I'll teach you how to kick and punch someone. Then you do whatever you want to do with it". That's exactly what I love about Bruce Lee and JKD's principles. It was Bruce's "way". He styled it to work for his body and mind, and encouraged people to find their own way. That's what I consider to be the essence of mixed martial arts. All martial arts have that sort of relation in how they come together, which is why the whole "I'll teach you how to kick and punch" is important. As Bruce Lee said, "unless you have four arms and four legs, you aren't going to develop a different style of fighting." Edit: Also, what Darth said.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:04 pm
In fact, exactly how Darth said it.
I think that idea of "expression" is the "art" part of Martial Arts. I know Bruce Lee had spoken at times of "taking what is useful and rejecting what is useless", but he meant that in terms of what's useless to him. What's useless to one person is useful to another, in how I read it.
That's why he never called Jeet Kune Do a style. It was simply his "way" of Kung Fu. (That is, using Kung Fu as the general term for martial arts, though Wushu might be the more accurate word. I dunno...this discussion needs more Kraun.)
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:07 pm
Okay. Enough of Bruce Lee d**k riding.
How about Judo Gene LeBell. The guy who tossed Bruce Lee around and taught him Judo.
While himself.. actually competing and fighting.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:08 pm
The Crossed Fox I remember that actually, Tenkai. It's documented in "Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story". Too sure things are overdramatized in several area's, but in my opinion it got that confrontation down precisely. Because after the fight, he gave the guy advice on how to better himself IN a situation like that. Hilarious actually... That was it! Yeah, I think that's the video I saw on Youtube. Though it sounds like you're talking about the example Darth mentioned.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:09 pm
Ironic, considering he borrowed stuff from other FIGHTING STYLES.
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