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 Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:40 pm
Nuclearwinter SamuriNinja24 I was reading the new codex and it hit me! If shuriken weapon shoot SHARP POINTY ammo then their shots should have the rending ability. They have such a short range, wouldn't it make sense? sharp pointy ammo? aren't bullets sharp and pointy too? use your head. But think about it, you have spinning, shreding disks flying throught the air, that should be represented. Bullets are straight shots, piercing armor, but not slicing and dicing like that of shuriken. I think this would be a great addition, seeing that shuriken catapults are just bolters that are assult 2 with 12" range. Another reason is the short range, to show that they have fast shots. That is useful for an on the move army, but rending would be great and would make sense at least.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:46 pm
SamuriNinja24 Nuclearwinter SamuriNinja24 I was reading the new codex and it hit me! If shuriken weapon shoot SHARP POINTY ammo then their shots should have the rending ability. They have such a short range, wouldn't it make sense? sharp pointy ammo? aren't bullets sharp and pointy too? use your head. But think about it, you have spinning, shreding disks flying throught the air, that should be represented. Bullets are straight shots, piercing armor, but not slicing and dicing like that of shuriken. I think this would be a great addition, seeing that shuriken catapults are just bolters that are assult 2 with 12" range. Another reason is the short range, to show that they have fast shots. That is useful for an on the move army, but rending would be great and would make sense at least. Shuriken weaponry is a staple of Eldar. Making a standard weapon rending is broken. Remember that most of the weapon descriptions aren't entirely accurate in 40k.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:59 pm
Pontius Pirate SamuriNinja24 Nuclearwinter SamuriNinja24 I was reading the new codex and it hit me! If shuriken weapon shoot SHARP POINTY ammo then their shots should have the rending ability. They have such a short range, wouldn't it make sense? sharp pointy ammo? aren't bullets sharp and pointy too? use your head. But think about it, you have spinning, shreding disks flying throught the air, that should be represented. Bullets are straight shots, piercing armor, but not slicing and dicing like that of shuriken. I think this would be a great addition, seeing that shuriken catapults are just bolters that are assult 2 with 12" range. Another reason is the short range, to show that they have fast shots. That is useful for an on the move army, but rending would be great and would make sense at least. Shuriken weaponry is a staple of Eldar. Making a standard weapon rending is broken. Remember that most of the weapon descriptions aren't entirely accurate in 40k. Then maybe as an Exarch power for the Dire Avengers, or an upgrade for the Guardians. Or even you can choose the normal shuriken catapult or an Assult 1 rending gun maybe for a point or 2. It would give troops a chance with tanks and heavy infantry.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:33 pm
Pontius Pirate SamuriNinja24 Nuclearwinter SamuriNinja24 I was reading the new codex and it hit me! If shuriken weapon shoot SHARP POINTY ammo then their shots should have the rending ability. They have such a short range, wouldn't it make sense? sharp pointy ammo? aren't bullets sharp and pointy too? use your head. But think about it, you have spinning, shreding disks flying throught the air, that should be represented. Bullets are straight shots, piercing armor, but not slicing and dicing like that of shuriken. I think this would be a great addition, seeing that shuriken catapults are just bolters that are assult 2 with 12" range. Another reason is the short range, to show that they have fast shots. That is useful for an on the move army, but rending would be great and would make sense at least. Shuriken weaponry is a staple of Eldar. Making a standard weapon rending is broken. Remember that most of the weapon descriptions aren't entirely accurate in 40k. yeah there has to be balance. I mean if you look at the fluff, A bolter should have rending too! infact there was even a specal type of army made called the "Movie Marines" it was a list of custom space marines as they would apear in a movie. in that list bolters were assult 4 S6 rending weapons! now that's realilistic for marine! also they were allowed to reroll armor saves. and a whole bunch of other stuff.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:11 pm
SamuriNinja24 Pontius Pirate SamuriNinja24 Nuclearwinter SamuriNinja24 I was reading the new codex and it hit me! If shuriken weapon shoot SHARP POINTY ammo then their shots should have the rending ability. They have such a short range, wouldn't it make sense? sharp pointy ammo? aren't bullets sharp and pointy too? use your head. But think about it, you have spinning, shreding disks flying throught the air, that should be represented. Bullets are straight shots, piercing armor, but not slicing and dicing like that of shuriken. I think this would be a great addition, seeing that shuriken catapults are just bolters that are assult 2 with 12" range. Another reason is the short range, to show that they have fast shots. That is useful for an on the move army, but rending would be great and would make sense at least. Shuriken weaponry is a staple of Eldar. Making a standard weapon rending is broken. Remember that most of the weapon descriptions aren't entirely accurate in 40k. Then maybe as an Exarch power for the Dire Avengers, or an upgrade for the Guardians. Or even you can choose the normal shuriken catapult or an Assult 1 rending gun maybe for a point or 2. It would give troops a chance with tanks and heavy infantry. That sounds like a better idea. Maybe instead of Bladestorm giving an extra shot per guy, opt for rending instead. As for the anti-tank part, eldar don't really do the all-around thing. Leave that part to the Fire Dragons/Swooping Hawks.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:19 am
hot damn, the new eldar models are freakin amazing
any tips for starting out with eldar?
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:54 pm
Talking form a realistic standpoint.. shurikens or bolters could not/would not rend.
The SM assault cannon rends becuase it has massive shells that are projected at high speeds and with something like 1200 rounds per minute. The size of hte bolter along with the shell size/rate of fire, would not redn, as it would not have enough velocity. Besides, bullets are not pointy, bullets have a point to sail through the air, but some bullets are hollow point because bullets are not meant to tear THROUGH an enemy, they are mean to transfer all the kinetic energy INTO the target, doing large ammounts of damage when the bullet compresses and and fans out.
The shuriken cannon, would not even peirce armour in real life, no matter how fast it is moving. It is a monomolecular shard, giving it absolutely no mass and therefor being as effective as launching a paper thin peice of plastic. Try that sometime. LOL!
The only eldar weapon close to rending is the sniper as it has AP1 on a roll of six.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:18 pm
Andreis Talking form a realistic standpoint.. shurikens or bolters could not/would not rend. The SM assault cannon rends becuase it has massive shells that are projected at high speeds and with something like 1200 rounds per minute. The size of hte bolter along with the shell size/rate of fire, would not redn, as it would not have enough velocity. Besides, bullets are not pointy, bullets have a point to sail through the air, but some bullets are hollow point because bullets are not meant to tear THROUGH an enemy, they are mean to transfer all the kinetic energy INTO the target, doing large ammounts of damage when the bullet compresses and and fans out. The shuriken cannon, would not even peirce armour in real life, no matter how fast it is moving. It is a monomolecular shard, giving it absolutely no mass and therefor being as effective as launching a paper thin peice of plastic. Try that sometime. LOL! The only eldar weapon close to rending is the sniper as it has AP1 on a roll of six. sounds pretty accurate, but bolter shells explode when they hit the target. so would that rend a target apart?
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:53 am
Rend = tearing.
Exploding does not always mean torn apart. Not every weapon needs to have the rending ability for Pete's sake! The fact that most armies are getting them now with these codex revisions is nice and all, but keep it limited.
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:45 am
Nuclearwinter Andreis Talking form a realistic standpoint.. shurikens or bolters could not/would not rend. The SM assault cannon rends becuase it has massive shells that are projected at high speeds and with something like 1200 rounds per minute. The size of hte bolter along with the shell size/rate of fire, would not redn, as it would not have enough velocity. Besides, bullets are not pointy, bullets have a point to sail through the air, but some bullets are hollow point because bullets are not meant to tear THROUGH an enemy, they are mean to transfer all the kinetic energy INTO the target, doing large ammounts of damage when the bullet compresses and and fans out. The shuriken cannon, would not even peirce armour in real life, no matter how fast it is moving. It is a monomolecular shard, giving it absolutely no mass and therefor being as effective as launching a paper thin peice of plastic. Try that sometime. LOL! The only eldar weapon close to rending is the sniper as it has AP1 on a roll of six. sounds pretty accurate, but bolter shells explode when they hit the target. so would that rend a target apart? do they not explode shortly after hitting the target? so that if they hit, say for instance, an eldar then they would probably go through the armour and into the body of the unfortunate eldar, before exploding, to cause as much damage as possible
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:55 am
lol
US Games Day or something, not sure how old either.
-Mykal
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:57 am
Lt. Brookman Rend = tearing. Exploding does not always mean torn apart. Not every weapon needs to have the rending ability for Pete's sake! The fact that most armies are getting them now with these codex revisions is nice and all, but keep it limited. Ditto. THe best example I have seen of rending is in the opening video for dawn of war where the bullets from the assault cannon literally turned an ork into nothing but red mist and chunks. Spiderman must be their avatar. whee My spidey sense is tingling!Heirophant Biotitan standing 2 feet from him. eek Haha. Anyhow.
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:22 am
Andreis Talking form a realistic standpoint.. shurikens or bolters could not/would not rend. The SM assault cannon rends becuase it has massive shells that are projected at high speeds and with something like 1200 rounds per minute. The size of hte bolter along with the shell size/rate of fire, would not redn, as it would not have enough velocity. Besides, bullets are not pointy, bullets have a point to sail through the air, but some bullets are hollow point because bullets are not meant to tear THROUGH an enemy, they are mean to transfer all the kinetic energy INTO the target, doing large ammounts of damage when the bullet compresses and and fans out. The shuriken cannon, would not even peirce armour in real life, no matter how fast it is moving. It is a monomolecular shard, giving it absolutely no mass and therefor being as effective as launching a paper thin peice of plastic. Try that sometime. LOL! The only eldar weapon close to rending is the sniper as it has AP1 on a roll of six. In the old fluff, Shuriken weapons were basically rapid-fire railguns, which makes a lot more sense than the current incarnation. Also, Assault cannons should never have had rending.
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:08 am
senbonzakura kageyoshi Nuclearwinter Andreis Talking form a realistic standpoint.. shurikens or bolters could not/would not rend. The SM assault cannon rends becuase it has massive shells that are projected at high speeds and with something like 1200 rounds per minute. The size of hte bolter along with the shell size/rate of fire, would not redn, as it would not have enough velocity. Besides, bullets are not pointy, bullets have a point to sail through the air, but some bullets are hollow point because bullets are not meant to tear THROUGH an enemy, they are mean to transfer all the kinetic energy INTO the target, doing large ammounts of damage when the bullet compresses and and fans out. The shuriken cannon, would not even peirce armour in real life, no matter how fast it is moving. It is a monomolecular shard, giving it absolutely no mass and therefor being as effective as launching a paper thin peice of plastic. Try that sometime. LOL! The only eldar weapon close to rending is the sniper as it has AP1 on a roll of six. sounds pretty accurate, but bolter shells explode when they hit the target. so would that rend a target apart? do they not explode shortly after hitting the target? so that if they hit, say for instance, an eldar then they would probably go through the armour and into the body of the unfortunate eldar, before exploding, to cause as much damage as possible the bullet is programed to exploded miliseconds after contact. so any shot that penetrates would explode on the inside. A shot to any limb would blow it clean off. (even lazguns will blow off an unarmored limb according to the fluff but in a slightly less gorey factor. Slightly.) I agree though, not everything should be rending.
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