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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:02 am
I always understood. Snape. I got that he loved Lilly. I understood exactly why he killed Dumbledore. I think Snape was probably the least mysterious part of the books for me actually. blaugh
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:04 am
Wow I missed Alot when I was gone huh? Hmmm It lookes like every thing was covered.... If you actually read this part know that, this last book was almost a major dsiappointment, I can only say however that i enjoyed some of the jokes, and how Hermione beats up Ron, as a welcome back thing. Also I hope she writes the Encyclopedia. Have a nice discussion. Please Highlight this post. There's more then meets the eye.
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:01 pm
I only found time recently to read the book, and now that I'm finally finished I guess I'll throw my two cents in as well. razz
The seventh and final book was awesome. It was interesting, action-packed, and kept me enthralled....until near the end that is. This is just my opinion, but I thought the "Nineteen Years Later" section was absolutely unnecessary. I sort of wish that Rowling had just ended it with the trio in the headmaster's office. Also, I thought Remus and Tonks' deaths were dealt with much too insignificantly. I mean, they went off to battle, then later on Harry finds their dead bodies in the Great Hall. We've just had to deal with Fred's death, and their deaths seemed to be tacked on at the last moment. I didn't feel that the way their deaths were handled did the characters any justice, given how important and beloved they've grown to be.
Also, the way how all the characters and all the creatures we've encountered in the series appeared for the final battle at Hogwarts seemed just a bit excessive. I do admit that it gave the final battle greater significance, how everyone was reunited and everything came together to end the series, but I would've liked a bit more elaboration into how all the creatures were gathered. Buckbeak just appeared, as did the Thestrals, and the centaurs, who weren't participating until the very end.
But don't get me wrong, I highly enjoyed the book. All in all, I thought it was a very fitting end to such an important series, a series that I loved for so many years. I love the humour, the special moments inserted in between the action and the explaining of facts, be they mere glances or small actions, the highly descriptive writing style...it was such a great experience to lose myself in Harry Potter's world. I'm rather sad the series is over.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:47 pm
Come to think of it... I expected the Epilogue to be a few months later while they were trying to rebuild.
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:38 pm
I have to agree, The Epilogue was much too short and much too far in the future. Of course we wouldn't have been able to learn about Albus Severus Potter if had been much earlier. Perhaps a skip a couple months after the battle during the rebuild chapter between the last chapter and the Epilogue would have been in order.
Just sort of capping everyone else's tales. How did George and the rest of the Weaslys deal with Fred's death. How did Harry make sure Ted Lupin had a different childhood from his own. Did he ever meet back up with the Dursleys or at least Dudley after his proclaimation?
We could have maybe seen Harry's struggle to have Snape's portrait hung in the headmaster's office and anything Snape might have said in reply to Harry seeing his final memories. Probably something like. " If you ever tell anyone what you saw, I'll haunt you!" I heard a term recenly that I think applies to Snape. He was an anti-hero, meaning that he was benevolent but acted as though he wasn't so no one would know. I didn't suspect he was in love with Lily and I had hoped he and Dumbledore had a deal when he killed him.
I've heard others say Snape's death was anti-climactic, but I thought it was perfect. It showed exactly how Voldemort was. It was pretty evident that Voldemort considered Snape as his second, yet had him killed without a second thought. He didn't even do it himself. I think Voldemort was a little hesitant to face Snape in flat out duel. Even if he had the Death Stick. I think he was a little afraid of Snape.
Sorry I kind of went random there for a minute. Severus Snape was by far my favorite character. He was so complicated and I really enjoyed watching his story unfold through the series.
J.
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:24 pm
I agree jadams with your Epilogue ideas..
As far as the death... I understand why Snape wanted to see Harry..he wanted to warn him about the snake... The odds of that happening. Harry being there watching Snape's death?
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:39 pm
HARRY POTTER GUILD OF GAIA H O U S E . E L F ¯¯ ¯¯ ¯¯ ¯¯ harry died, and then he came back to life why? it would have been far more interesting if he'd died
hated the epilogue, far too short to be detailed far too long to be short and sweet I want to know about luna
I also disliked the snape being good thing I think there needed to be another evil character closer to Harry
The ending was rushed and some parts of it seemed pointless
Dobby was the saddest death, I almost had tears in my eyes
I also wanted to know about Dudley, I loved him at the beginning where he told everybody he didn't think harry was a waste of space I also think that the big fight scene could have been longer and more detailed, my mind just didn't take any of it in the first time I read it Same again with the 7 potters, I didn't even realise hedwig was dead until my friend text me telling me so
Other than that, I enjoyed it, but it will never be my favourite book
sorry if thats all over the place, I was just typing things as they came into my head. I'm rereading the book now, so I might repost it when i've finished it a second time. I had to wait for my mum to finish before I could have the book back sad
¯¯ ¯¯ ¯¯ ¯¯ ELF PRIDE. GUILD PRIDE.
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:00 pm
IceeWitch Schizophrenic Spork FRED!!!! crying What will George do without his other half? Seriously, one of the Weasleys had to die, there were too many of them, but the twins were the comic relief. They aren't supposed to DIE!
And it was so sad when Lupin and Tonks died, I had always thought all the Marauders would have to die, but when they had little Ted I thought maybe... but no. crying Another orphan.
I really liked the book, although it left A LOT of holes. But the epilogue sucked. I didn't even want an epilogue, but I still read it of course. But seriously, I hate it. I had hoped Rowling would do another small book, like Quidditch Through the Ages, just detailing the main points of the characters lives matter-of-factly, not an actual story. I AGREE SOOO Much! I didn't cry though because I kinda didn't understand how he died.... I couldn't stop tears from coming when Dobby died! Why him??? HOLY CRAP-OLY!!! Not only did Fred die, but Dobby and TONKS!!! I was depressed for days after reading that... I wish that Percy could have died in his place, he is USELESS! Why did he live and not FRED??!!! (most likely it was to create emotional detachment, but still) I completely agree with every sentiment said! Plus, Albus Severus???? What kind of name is THAT! If you want to respect someone, it is appropriate to keep it as a rose placed on their grave every day....but naming their CHILDREN??? If my child was named "Albus Severus" they would be beaten every day... Terrible name... Grrrrrrr J.K. Rowling. (You know I love the book, I just to vent ^_^)
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:22 pm
midnite_silhouette IceeWitch Schizophrenic Spork FRED!!!! crying What will George do without his other half? Seriously, one of the Weasleys had to die, there were too many of them, but the twins were the comic relief. They aren't supposed to DIE!
And it was so sad when Lupin and Tonks died, I had always thought all the Marauders would have to die, but when they had little Ted I thought maybe... but no. crying Another orphan.
I really liked the book, although it left A LOT of holes. But the epilogue sucked. I didn't even want an epilogue, but I still read it of course. But seriously, I hate it. I had hoped Rowling would do another small book, like Quidditch Through the Ages, just detailing the main points of the characters lives matter-of-factly, not an actual story. I AGREE SOOO Much! I didn't cry though because I kinda didn't understand how he died.... I couldn't stop tears from coming when Dobby died! Why him??? HOLY CRAP-OLY!!! Not only did Fred die, but Dobby and TONKS!!! I was depressed for days after reading that... I wish that Percy could have died in his place, he is USELESS! Why did he live and not FRED??!!! (most likely it was to create emotional detachment, but still) I completely agree with every sentiment said! Plus, Albus Severus???? What kind of name is THAT! If you want to respect someone, it is appropriate to keep it as a rose placed on their grave every day....but naming their CHILDREN??? If my child was named "Albus Severus" they would be beaten every day... Terrible name... Grrrrrrr J.K. Rowling. (You know I love the book, I just to vent ^_^) rofl rofl I think Percy dying would have had a great effect. He wouldn't have even met up with his family. I think his whole coming back was lame
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:29 pm
I think Percy coming back was appropriate. Often as young adults we think our parents wrong, lame, or some other similar thing. More likely than not, we discover, only later after getting a little experience of our own, that they were right all long.
J.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:49 am
It would have been far more interesting had he come back in Book 6, not the end of Book 7. xp
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:14 pm
Perhaps, but then again, some people are a little more dense than others. It took Voldemort taking over the ministry for Percy to see the error of his ways. The Death Eaters hadn't taken over the ministry in book 6.
J.
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:40 pm
I think that if Rowling had killed off Percy, before or after making up with his family, I might not have liked it much. It wouldn't quite have the same meaning as Fred's death did. It's hard to explain.
I guess it's like this:
Percy doesn't make up with family, dies: It would likely be before the battle, as he wouldn't have shown up to apologize and therefore couldn't have died there. If it was at the battle, the reason for his arrival would never be really known (as he didn't get the chance to make up with family and explain himself), and it would be something of an insult to his deepest character to leave it out.
Percy does make up with family, dies: I dunno, it seems the greatest tragic cliche for this to happen. Not that I've read loads of novels before where some hated character apologizes and is killed moments later or something, but it still wouldn't sit quite right. Like Pettigrew dying after showing some blatant "save Harry" move in front of Voldemort, and thereby repaying his life debt. That sounds like the dramatic happening most fans would dream up on their own. Rowling probably wanted something a little more different...
Percy makes up with family, fights in battle, Fred dies laughing at his brother's first joke in who knows how long (aka, canon): I thought that this scene was sad, but I didn't feel too bad for Fred, really. Nobody wants to die and leave everyone behind, least of all a twin, but I think that Fred would've rather died laughing at the joke told by a long-lost, once stuck-up brother who has finally returned. Think about it: Fred's death had a beatiful, sad sort of near-irony to it because of the circumstances. I can't think of a better way for a fun-loving character to go.
Okay, my thoughts are jumbled and not very clearly spelled out right now. I'm sorry about that. I'm just trying to say why I think I prefer canon to other alternatives (namely, Percy's death instead of Fred's). I know that Percy isn't the most liked character, and Fred is, but I wouldn't ever want to switch their places. Never.
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:11 am
I had forgotten Percy and then when he showed up I was surprised. Snape in love with Lily? It was one of those theories that always came up so I wasn't really surprised when that happened. One of the twins died!!! crying Near crying. I'm not even kidding. Those were my boys! I loved them. And Fred died. That was horrible. Moody dying. That was surprising! I couldn't believe it. Then Lupin and Tonks....let's face it, the book was depressing.
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:21 pm
I loved it! I'll admit there were parts that I wasn't entirely satisfied with, but after all, HP fans are an extremely tough crowd to please. As to the deaths:
The entire thing was a bloodbath...but I should have assumed that from the start.
Hedwig's death wasn't too bad (I loved the symbolism and, let's face it, could they really have kept her with them?), but that scene was such a wirlwind, I had to read it a few times to figure it out.
I have to say, I think Wormtail came to a fitting end. Of course, he had to go, but the way he went was a nice suprise. I don't think he deserved a heroic death.
DOBBY! crying
As to Fred's death, I have to agree with Alutian. No matter which of the Weasley's had died (and, come on, one of them was going to die), it would make us all very unhappy, because we loved them all (with the possible exception of Percy...sometimes) so much.
Lupin and Tonks...what can I say, it was completely wasted. I knew they weren't gonna make it the second Remus said the word "godfather", but I at least expected them to get some recognition. You could take that line out of the book and it wouldn't make any differance to the plot whatsoever (with the exception that Remus wouldn't have been with the other three when Harry used the Stone).
And then there was Snape. Yet another death I knew was coming, but wasn't ready for. The chapter "Prince's Tale" had the potential to come out either really sweet or really creepy, depending on how it was writen, and JKR nailed right on sweet. But I've already come near typing a short story here, so I'll rant on that later.
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