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 Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:55 am
AmErIcAnSyKo Pro-choice.
One reason being, because I doubt a fetus still in the process of growing its brain, will not feel anything.. Honestly, do any of you remember a time when you were a fetus? No? Thought so. You cannot feel what you do not remember. Anyone ever been knocked unconcious for surgery?
neutral Ok, Im going a bit off topic with this... I know I broke my collar bone when I was small, do I remember? no. did I feel it? yes. If I hadn't felt it, I wouln't have started to wail and cry out in pain.Also, (I know this isn't related to abortion) people with amnesia (sp) hve forgotten things they felt. have you ever had someone (i.e.parents) tell you about a time when you were small and hurt yourself? I have. do you know how they knew you hurt yourself? you cried you screamed. You came running to them. case slosed
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:55 pm
Inubelle~ Pro Life~The first thing ever developed in a child is it's heart beat. Fears lets us do anything even kill a life. I heard other people say that fetus aren't alive cause they are not born yet, that's not true. A small heart beat is a proof that they are alive or beginning to live inside the mother.
Besides who cares about the heart. We all know that the brain is what controls the body, there for is the actual person. Galen proved that thousands of years ago.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:56 pm
AmErIcAnSyKo Don't take my words literally, Band.
When I say you can't feel what you can't remember, I mean it as, you don't remember the pain, so it's like it never happened.
If you don't remember being hit in the head with a baseball, I bet you wont remember what it feels like if you don't remember it.
I don't mean literally, so I'm sorry you took it like that, Band.
neutral Case closed. Read everything before you argue.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:08 pm
Yoshinori_Rinoa AmErIcAnSyKo Pro-choice.
One reason being, because I doubt a fetus still in the process of growing its brain, will not feel anything.. Honestly, do any of you remember a time when you were a fetus? No? Thought so. You cannot feel what you do not remember. Anyone ever been knocked unconcious for surgery?
neutral Ok, Im going a bit off topic with this... I know I broke my collar bone when I was small, do I remember? no. did I feel it? yes. If I hadn't felt it, I wouln't have started to wail and cry out in pain.Also, (I know this isn't related to abortion) people with amnesia (sp) hve forgotten things they felt. have you ever had someone (i.e.parents) tell you about a time when you were small and hurt yourself? I have. do you know how they knew you hurt yourself? you cried you screamed. You came running to them. case slosed Read my quote that Jazz, above me, so kindly pointed out..
Don't be stupid.. Read things.
Case closed
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:07 pm
AmErIcAnSyKo Yoshinori_Rinoa AmErIcAnSyKo Pro-choice.
One reason being, because I doubt a fetus still in the process of growing its brain, will not feel anything.. Honestly, do any of you remember a time when you were a fetus? No? Thought so. You cannot feel what you do not remember. Anyone ever been knocked unconcious for surgery?
neutral Ok, Im going a bit off topic with this... I know I broke my collar bone when I was small, do I remember? no. did I feel it? yes. If I hadn't felt it, I wouln't have started to wail and cry out in pain.Also, (I know this isn't related to abortion) people with amnesia (sp) hve forgotten things they felt. have you ever had someone (i.e.parents) tell you about a time when you were small and hurt yourself? I have. do you know how they knew you hurt yourself? you cried you screamed. You came running to them. case slosed Read my quote that Jazz, above me, so kindly pointed out..
Don't be stupid.. Read things.
Case closed No problem. I was bored at the moment.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:21 pm
♥Wake... from your sleep, the drying of your tears, today.. we escape, we escape. ♥
My view on abortion is very similar to, if not the same, as yours.
Xyloid
Personally, I am a moderate on the situation. I believe that a woman's right to choose should be her own. By taking away the right to an abortion, the government would be taking away a right protected by the basic foundations this government was founded upon. At the same time, I think that there should be stricter policies and regulations on the abortions. There needs to be a limit to how many can be done in a certain time frame, because I think it's wrong when women use abortion as their ONLY form of birth control.
It is also a proven fact that children born to parents who didn't plan or want their children are much more likely to become criminals. It's also a proven statistic that 20 years after Roe vs Wade, crime rates dropped dramatically. Because the unwanted and unplanned children stopped being born, and therefore that generation produced less criminals.
Until now I would have claimed that I am pro-choice. After reading what you said, which is very similar to what I thought at first, I would have to agree and say that I am a moderate. I think that abortions are wrong, and unethical, but I believe that sometimes a woman has no choice but to abort. I personally don't think I would abort a child. I would have the child [unless it was from rape, which I might abort. Depending on the trauma it might cause/have caused.] I would think of the child first. I am going to be a college freshman next year, and I want to graduate college. If I were to abort, that would be the time I would do it. I wouldn't throw away my chances of succeeding and making money to raise a child like s/he deserves to be raised.
A small side-track: At first I was not even considering having sex before marriage. [Not because of any religious thought, but I just knew I wouldn't be ready to handle anything that came at me.] After a long while of thinking on the topic, I decided that I might wait until marriage, but because I might make a stupid decision to marry someone just to have sex with them I decided that if I am mature enough to handle any situation relating to sex that is thrown at me that I would perhaps have sex before marriage. Marriage or Maturity, is what I like to call it. Now back to the topic. [This should tie in eventually.]
If people want to prevent pregnancies, they should not rely on abortions as their first choice. Perhaps a last resort. But if one is going to have sex without protection then I think that one person shouldn't just take the easy way of life. [I am cynical, but people that immature and stupid should not have sex. Sometimes I think they should not have been born.] I agree that there should be more restrictions and regulations [I don't really know all the current rules/restrictions about abortions]. People now-a-days have sex too often, in my opinion. I'm somewhat conservative thinking [not always], but I think that sex, sure it may be fun and fun is okay sometimes, is for getting pregnant and giving birth to a child. I don't think that people should just go have sex and make themselves "easy". There are other pleasures in the world. gonk [But I'm not saying one shouldn't have sex until marriage, just not so much sex.]
This is towards AmErIcAnSyKo: I do think that fetuses are not "human" and they won't remember, or have those thoughts. I think they will "feel" things is even if they don't remember them. It's like saying "Smothering an infant is not murder". If they survived the smothering, and were not killed, which is unlikely, would they remember? No. Would they have felt it at the time? Yes. But no one can dissect a thought that has not been said/published, if one is inable to do so. Just because one doesn't remember it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Other people might remember it. If you were aborted, and you didn't feel it, doesn't mean that it didn't happen. It does not become any better if it is not remembered, or felt. The fact is, it happened.
Abortions should be used before the fetus's brain develops so much that it is able to have dreams or thoughts.
I may just be saying the same thing as you are, but that's just because it is my opinion too. This probably makes no sense because I'm jumping all over the place, and losing my train of thought. So I'll end it there and continue it in my replies, if I get any. [This usually happens when I get really excited about a topic.... I'll probably make more sense in my replies.]
♥We hope that you choke.. that you choke♥
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:06 pm
I can't actually disagree with anything you said. I can however point out that many women do more than just abortion for birth control. Alot of women are on the pill and usually a condom is used. I mean people get abortions but it isn't the majority of people. Keep in mind that not everyone will have an abortion in their life.
I can see a limit to the number of abortions you can have in a lifetime, like say 3, in a lifetime. The way I see it, the first one was an accident while she was young, the second one was condom/pill fail (alot of women mis-read the label and do not dose themselves correctly), and the third one she didn't want. After that, I think she doesn't need another abortion, she needs to stop opening her legs.
While there should be some sort of education class on it, that you have to take before you get the abortion, but while your pregnent, so that you know your making the right discision and are less likely to regret it, I don't think it is fair to say that abortions should only be reserved for special cases (rape, mother will die due to complications) because it is our right as American citizens to choose wether or not we want it. If a mother doesn't want a baby, what is going to stop her from suficating it with a pillow to shut it up in the middle of the night?
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:20 pm
marshjazz I can't actually disagree with anything you said. I can however point out that many women do more than just abortion for birth control. Alot of women are on the pill and usually a condom is used. I mean people get abortions but it isn't the majority of people. Keep in mind that not everyone will have an abortion in their life.
I can see a limit to the number of abortions you can have in a lifetime, like say 3, in a lifetime. The way I see it, the first one was an accident while she was young, the second one was condom/pill fail (alot of women mis-read the label and do not dose themselves correctly), and the third one she didn't want. After that, I think she doesn't need another abortion, she needs to stop opening her legs.
While there should be some sort of education class on it, that you have to take before you get the abortion, but while your pregnent, so that you know your making the right discision and are less likely to regret it, I don't think it is fair to say that abortions should only be reserved for special cases (rape, mother will die due to complications) because it is our right as American citizens to choose wether or not we want it. If a mother doesn't want a baby, what is going to stop her from suficating it with a pillow to shut it up in the middle of the night? I never thought about it that way Marsh. That's all so true. <3
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:28 pm
Personally for myself I am Pro=Life... However there are extinuating circumstances where I feel that abortion is ok... For example if a young girl is Raped and conceives a child as a result of that incident, I feel that she should be able to get an abortion without being harrassed.. Why should she have to continue to relive that Rape for the duration of the pregnancy.. It's not her fault.. And she shouldn't be made to go through such an ordeal.. Also if there is a medical problem that endangers the mom's life I feel that it is ok to Abort the pregnancy. Not that i would do it, but if you have other children and you get pregnant and the doctor says you may not survive this one, I think I would consider it.. I mean you wouldn't want to leave those children that here already without a mother.. Anyways, If we actively teach our children the result of what happens when you have unprotected sex, then the rate of unwanted pregnancies I think would drop...
But seriously, as i said I am ProLife, but when there is a circumstance that warrants terminating a pregnancy, you will not find me objecting..
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:43 am
What is your reason for being pro-life?
Your not pro-life if you think their are exceptions. You are moderate. You can't go around saying "It's wrong to kill a fetis but your okay cause you were raped" That is completely unfair. Pro-life people, find the termination of a fetis completely wrong and always object to it.
Would you consider terminating the pregnency if the doctor said that the baby would come out blind, deaf, and basically incapable of being normal, because of developing incorrectly? That it would probably end up dieing within days if not hours, after being born.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:51 am
If the baby was going to die anyways...maybe.
If it was going to blind, deaf, mentally retarded, etc. No. Because it is still capable of living a fullfilling life.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:03 am
I personally would put it down if it was going to be born blind/deaf/mentally retarded because I couldn't deal with raising it.
I would probably get an abortion if I ever got pregnent though anyway. I don't want to have kids. I would rather adopt, if I deside I want a kid. But I place more of an emphisis on sucess and career, so I don't think I'll really want a kid. But if I did adopt, it would deffinately be twins, that way, they would always have someone their own age to play with. Plus I like twins. That was off topic. But yeah, that is a little bit of why I'm so strongly pro-choice, even though I don't plan on getting pregnent.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:24 pm
marshjazz What is your reason for being pro-life?
Your not pro-life if you think their are exceptions. You are moderate. You can't go around saying "It's wrong to kill a fetis but your okay cause you were raped" That is completely unfair. Pro-life people, find the termination of a fetis completely wrong and always object to it.
Would you consider terminating the pregnency if the doctor said that the baby would come out blind, deaf, and basically incapable of being normal, because of developing incorrectly? That it would probably end up dieing within days if not hours, after being born. I was just going to bring up the, "if you have exceptions, you're not pro-life"...
Haha. I love not having to say anything, with you around. It's so awesome. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:53 pm
marshjazz I personally would put it down if it was going to be born blind/deaf/mentally retarded because I couldn't deal with raising it.
I would probably get an abortion if I ever got pregnent though anyway. I don't want to have kids. I would rather adopt, if I deside I want a kid. But I place more of an emphisis on sucess and career, so I don't think I'll really want a kid. But if I did adopt, it would deffinately be twins, that way, they would always have someone their own age to play with. Plus I like twins. That was off topic. But yeah, that is a little bit of why I'm so strongly pro-choice, even though I don't plan on getting pregnent. She lay down on the grass,
Looking up at the sky,
thinking, it’s all she can do.
If she disappeared she would not be missed.
She will be gone just like everyone else.
Getting up from the grass,
she walks on the sand,
looking outward towards the sea.
She walks into the water high up above her knees.
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
Why wouldn't you want to give life to a child yourself? [Sorry if it is personal.]
And if you don't want to give birth yourself I'd suggest just getting your fallopian tubes tied. You won't need an abortion, and you won't get your period anymore. That is only if you're 100% sure that you don't want to give birth to a child.
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
The waves softly hit her legs.
She looks at the sunset and its yellow-red hues
she walks into the sea, farther and farther,
opening her arms towards the wave.
The water is high up to her hips.
The wave comes towards her.
She looks at the wave with her arms stretched out;
the water starts to rage, the wave hits her body hard.
Then the water calms down. The water recedes,
then darkness falls, and all goes dark.
The sun goes down and the day is done.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:55 pm
Pika_Pika_Mistress Personally for myself I am Pro=Life... However there are extinuating circumstances where I feel that abortion is ok... For example if a young girl is Raped and conceives a child as a result of that incident, I feel that she should be able to get an abortion without being harrassed.. Why should she have to continue to relive that Rape for the duration of the pregnancy.. It's not her fault.. And she shouldn't be made to go through such an ordeal.. Also if there is a medical problem that endangers the mom's life I feel that it is ok to Abort the pregnancy. Not that i would do it, but if you have other children and you get pregnant and the doctor says you may not survive this one, I think I would consider it.. I mean you wouldn't want to leave those children that here already without a mother.. Anyways, If we actively teach our children the result of what happens when you have unprotected sex, then the rate of unwanted pregnancies I think would drop... But seriously, as i said I am ProLife, but when there is a circumstance that warrants terminating a pregnancy, you will not find me objecting.. marshjazz I can't actually disagree with anything you said. I can however point out that many women do more than just abortion for birth control. Alot of women are on the pill and usually a condom is used. I mean people get abortions but it isn't the majority of people. Keep in mind that not everyone will have an abortion in their life.
I can see a limit to the number of abortions you can have in a lifetime, like say 3, in a lifetime. The way I see it, the first one was an accident while she was young, the second one was condom/pill fail (alot of women mis-read the label and do not dose themselves correctly), and the third one she didn't want. After that, I think she doesn't need another abortion, she needs to stop opening her legs.
While there should be some sort of education class on it, that you have to take before you get the abortion, but while your pregnant, so that you know your making the right decisions and are less likely to regret it, I don't think it is fair to say that abortions should only be reserved for special cases (rape, mother will die due to complications) because it is our right as American citizens to choose whether or not we want it. If a mother doesn't want a baby, what is going to stop her from suffocating it with a pillow to shut it up in the middle of the night? She lay down on the grass,
Looking up at the sky,
thinking, it’s all she can do.
If she disappeared she would not be missed.
She will be gone just like everyone else.
Getting up from the grass,
she walks on the sand,
looking outward towards the sea.
She walks into the water high up above her knees.
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
As mentioned above, pro-life people are against aborting a fetus, no exceptions.
You are a moderate if you support it in certain cases, but think it is morally unjust. You may lean a bit more towards the pro-life spectrum, but you're not as radical as they are.
Jazz: I agree with you. I never said that people use it as their only birth control, I was simply stating that I don't like those who do.
As for the limit, I don't think it is fair to limit a person to three abortions in a lifetime. It's like saying "Oh sorry, you can only use your health insurance five times. Now you have none anymore". I think there should be a limit to how many you can have in a year. But there are a lot of women who self abort. And if they were limited to three in their entire lifetime then more would have to do it themselves if they need another abortion. But I do agree that if people are getting an abortion every month or so, they should learn to stop having sex. [As I stated earlier. I personally think of it as a thing that, while it might be fun, it has one real purpose. To conceive a child. And if you're not ready to conceive a child you shouldn't be fooling around and having sex. You have to be able to handle the situations handed to you.]
As far as I know, they teach this in sex ed in school, but some people don't pay attention. I personally did not do the things in sex ed, such as put a condom on my thumb [I felt uncomfortable doing it], or check prices, but I paid attention and I know what is safe and not. I also am a good observer, and I'm competent. So, I feel like I'll know what to do.
I feel like sex should be something like getting a drivers license. If you don't know the laws, and what to do if something wrong happens, then you shouldn't have sex. And people should be tested. But I guess that's what sex ed was trying to teach us. I just don't know any other way of getting people to learn it.
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
The waves softly hit her legs.
She looks at the sunset and its yellow-red hues
she walks into the sea, farther and farther,
opening her arms towards the wave.
The water is high up to her hips.
The wave comes towards her.
She looks at the wave with her arms stretched out;
the water starts to rage, the wave hits her body hard.
Then the water calms down. The water recedes,
then darkness falls, and all goes dark.
The sun goes down and the day is done.
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