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Fair or not, at least the pregnant woman is involved in the pregnancy. Having the (Federal, State, or Local) Government decide for her seems more unfair. Having control of her body taken out of her hands (even with the best of intentions) seems unfair, as well.

Oh, you weren't offensive at all. Don't worry. Sorry if I was at any point.

The other option I would've worked to find would've been one in which I could keep the child, since I wanted to be its parent.

For women who are opposed to both adoption and abortion, and who also don't want to or can't care for a child.... I really don't know what other options there are for them. None come to mind. I don't even know if there is another option for them.

I guess there's always the chance someone they know or a relative would want the child and be willing to take the child, but if a woman doesn't have anyone.... That really is a problem.

I don't know, a lot of women say that their husbands/boyfriends/partners support their right to choose. Many get their input before going through anything. It isn't as though all men are Pro-Life (which, oddly enough, there are people on both "sides" of this issue who seem to assume they are). I know you didn't mean to, but I'm really sick of people implying that all men want to keep unintentional pregnancies, and all women want to abort them. There are Pro-Choice men and Pro-Life women too. *grrr*

I'm done ranting now. *grin*

But, someone needs to have final say when it comes to this matter, and since the unborn human is inside the woman, it makes sense to a lot of people that it would be her.

Personally, if I weren't married, and for some reason slept with a Pro-Life male, and became unintentionally pregnant, and he offered to raise the resulting child by himself, with a legally binding contract that I would not be contacted for child support, and to pay for all of the prenatal care, I would let him. I think that sentence just killed the English language, it was so long.

I think that couples should talk about what they would do if they became unintentionally pregnant, before they ever have sex. And I think they should talk before they decide what to do with an unintentional pregnancy. I don't think that the woman should just make a choice without consulting the man.

But I would worry about a law that made it mandatory for a woman to get the man's signature to get an abortion, because of abusive boyfriends/husbands. And, beyond that, I don't see any way to make sure that she talks to him first...

It is no more bossing people around than a murder law. It is not saying "You MUST abort" or "You MUST give up your child for adoption", it is taking away a scenario which kills the fetus.

In the same way, murder laws do infringe upon choice, but they also, and more importantly, make one option that harms another illegal.

And also, as for the fetus speaking, no, it cannot. However, it is in a condition in which it cannot speak or decide for itself. There are laws in certain states that say that if a person is unable to make a decision due to incapacitation, and has not signed a release for their death, they are to be assumed to have a will for life and are to be kept on life support. Although this is not the same, as the fetus is inside a woman, it still supports the idea that a lack of consent to death does not equal a right to be put to death.

But not murdering someone doesn't take away a person's right to control their own body. Unlike a murder victim, an unborn human is using a woman's body. Thus, making abortion illegal takes away her right to deny use of her body to the unborn human.

I'm not saying that it is "bossing people around". I am saying that it takes away human rights from pregnant women, without any alternative. It is the control over her body part that you seem to be ignoring. This has nothing to do with choice, and everything to do with the government taking over control of someone's body.

It's not even just that they don't have a say, they can't. They not only can't express it, they can't even begin to comprehend any of it, at all. How exactly is a being like that supposed to have a say?

As for the father, he's not the one about to carry the fetus in his body for nine months. When men can do that, they can keep the pregnancies their wife/girlfriend/hookup didn't want. Until then, he can no more force a woman to keep a pregnancy than I can force you to give up your organs because I want to use them.

I understand what you're trying to say, but the same can be said of an infant. It can't conceptualize adoption or being killed. It's only a little more aware than a late second trimester fetus, and possibly feels less pain than an early third trimester fetus does. It will never, ever realize it was alive, let alone that it is about to die. An infant is alive, but no more aware than a lot of animals we slaughter for food.

As for men, I can understand wanting to think of their rights. If a woman gets pregnant, she has total control, she can have sex knowing that no matter what, she can control the situation. Men, on the other hand, have no control. They need to live with it, they need to pay child support if she keeps the baby, they need to watch their children die if their partners choose abortion, without being able to save their children. Men have an instinctive pull to protect their children, yes, even their unborn children. The ones who are torn up by their children dying to abortion not only have to live with that, they need to live with knowing that they're halfway responsible for the deaths in the first place, because they chose to have sex. It's especially hard on men when women say before sex, "I'd never have an abortion," and then change their minds. Men have killed themselves over this. It's okay in today's society to tell a man, "You should have thought of that before you had sex," but it's not the same for women. Men bear equal responsibility without equal control, in fact, without any control. It's completely unfair to men, and I'm glad I'm not a man today because I wouldn't risk it. I'd rather live my whole life without sex than risk the person I trust most turning around when she got pregnant and saying, "I know I said I wouldn't get an abortion, but I want one, and I want you to drive me to the clinic and pay for it, and hug me afterwards because it's going to be difficult for me." I wouldn't be able to live with it.

It's true that it's her body though. If abortion rights are based on bodily integrity, it's one more example of how life isn't fair, and men need to live with it. There is a way to control it in one way, though. Get rid of child support. Women can choose to not have a baby for financial reasons. Men obviously can't, but it is possible to get rid of their financial obligation. It won't happen, nor would I really want it to because that would lead to more abortions, but it does make things a little more equal.

All laws take away some right in order to protect others.

In the case of murder, we take away the option to murder to protect other people. In the case of abortion, we wish to take away the option to abort to protect feti from being killed. And of course, as with murder, there are exceptions, Such as a life or death situation.