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No, law is determined by a combination of what is considered necessary to maintain order in a society - thus allowing for the profitable and peacable interaction of inidividuals while providing a means of punishing those that disrupt the order of things - and societies' varying taboos and customs. Morality plays into some part of it, but the social contract is, for the most part, a construct of convenience.

I notice Sinner. That you neglect to respond to the other parts of my post. Do you think them not worthy of your time?
Secondly, Why do you find it necessary to be so rude? We're all brothers and sisters in Christ aren't we?
Thirdly, What exactly is your position on abortion? Do you think it wrong and immoral or do think it is just another fact of life, or death as the case may be?

Hardly.

As I have pointed out earlier, this is all intrinsic upon something that is a grey area (where life starts), but, if I am right, then Abortion is the same kind of murder as the aforementioned crime.

To which I respond: Why was slavery allowed if not because it was considered to be 'useful'?


Now now, let's not mock what needn't be mocked. The law allows us to interact with on another with at least a modicum of trust that the other person will be adequately fearful of the law and its enforcement that he will deal with me in a reasonably fair manner and that I will extend the same courtesy to him. Sans law (i.e. the imposition of earthly and immediate penalties for transgressions instead of moral or divine punishment) there is no means for society to function and as such both the economy (arguably one of the great driving forces for societal developement since the agricultural revolution) and the social group fail. Morality is imposed on law, we don't impose law to back up morality (at least not originally).

They're simply unnecessary to your point. There's no need to repeat myself over and over again when your entire post relies on the same faulty premise.



Christ wasn't all that nice either. He had no problem telling people that they were wrong when they were wrong. And he sure flipped out at people who deserved it. I see no problem reconciling my actions with his.



Overall, I'm okay with it. Obviously it's the choice of the parents, but it's a viable option in many situations.

Exactly. Slavery was useful (and still is, I might add. We haven't totally gotten rid of it). However, evolved understanding of morality caused humanity to realise that, while it was useful, it was an atrocity.



My arguement is that Morality is the basis of Law. Why is stealing things illegal? Because it's wrong. Why is murder illegal? Because it's wrong. However, humanity tends to not get things right the first time. That is why changes to the law are made when evolving morality makes it clear that an existing practice is amoral.

Ok. I do believe there is a fundamental, unchangeable difference in our perceptions of murder. You believe that law is required for murder, and I do not. I also believe that this difference is rather unreconciliable.


Morality is constant. Humanity's understanding of it is not. Throughout the course of history, said understanding is constantly evolving to attempt and reach total conformity to this moral constant.



It would make it legal murder, yes.


But if it were made legal, then it would be murder. At which point, you would have to accept that abortion is murder in order to conform to your idea of morality.


Ok, cool.

Ooh, you have WoW? What server do you play on?

Yes, that whole 'unlawful killing' dealio. So, by that logic, if we were to make abortion 'unlawful' then it would be murder.



Random assertions about something that is an abstract concept (and, by definition, cannot be proven/disproven)? Sure.


well, I meant it would be legally defined as murder. My mistake.