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 Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:29 pm
But unleast Asian Is a term of a Race of people but American segregate a hell out of countrys. Canada, Mexico etc...
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:17 pm
U. S. Resident.... Such a mouthful! estadosunidense is much nicer. I wonder if people in other American countries take offense when U. S. residents go around saying "I'm an American" meaning the U. S. kind.
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:55 am
I'm not disagreeing BOLON, but what's the difference between segregating one group of people and many groups of people? None. Segregation is segragation either way.
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:07 am
I don't know... I think the world is used to the U.S.'s ways.
Personally I have used the term "I'm American", and I will admit, never gave much thought to it. We ARE the "United States of America" , we just shortened it to "Americans" kinda like we call people from Czechoslovakia a "Czech" (Ok, the former Czechoslovakia- now Czech Republic)
Alot of people from England are called Brits ( Great Britain, United Kingdom)
I don't think people from the U.S. are wrong in calling themselves "Americans".
Australians are Ozzys.
New Zeelanders are Kiwis.
Even within our own country we have southerners, northerners, easterners...etc..
I don't think anything is meant by it. I certainly don't feel "better" than anyone else. Maybe more lucky than alot of people because of the freedoms we have in this country, but not better than. smile
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:22 am
Sryne I'm not disagreeing BOLON, but what's the difference between segregating one group of people and many groups of people? None. Segregation is segragation either way. Maybe is segregation to the Russians, meybe not. Maybe They don't want to be called Asian, but how can I be sure... how can We be sure. We should ask a Russian about this... or somebody who has been there.
Drace: In high school I used to have a class mate that went to USA to live with a family for a month in a exchange program ( I did the same thing at the next year) and the father ask him that "How do you think about living in America" and he tell him "But I live in America" and he just went quiet
LOL...
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:33 am
So, who can say if Mexicans, or Brazilians or Canadians or anyone else who lives in one of the Americas wants to be called American?
From my personal experience with people who have moved to my area from South American countries, most of them snap if you call them by anything but their exact country.
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:43 am
Anyone have popcorn? I'm just going to sit back and see where this one goes... wink
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:02 am
Sryne So, who can say if Mexicans, or Brazilians or Canadians or anyone else who lives in one of the Americas wants to be called American? From my personal experience with people who have moved to my area from South American countries, most of them snap if you call them by anything but their exact country. and can you blame them? you will be affended to if someone call you canadian.
I don't thing that we want to be called american. Unleast I don't feel that wa. I think that the term american it's too much restringed just to use it in one country. European it's from people from Europe, Africans from africa... and so on. maybe russian are the acception.
sisu: I understand that the term comes from United state of AMERICA. I know that you feel american but so do we.
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:24 am
OoOo I didn't mean to imply that you couldn't call yourself American. But I do agree with Sryne in a way... like South Americans have different countries within the continent and identify themselves oftentimes with that country... Brazilian, Chiliean, Venezuelaean.. etc.. we have that too. I'm a Michigander for instance. My Dad is Texan. A New Yorker, Floridian.. etc...
Africans definately define themselves by regions... South Africans get a little bent if you lump them in with the rest of the country. There are Ethiopeans, Egyptians, Tanzanians, Kenyans.. etc... But in actuality they are ALL "Africans".
I think what Sryne was trying to differentiate was the fact that Russians are NOT of Asian decent. (At least I don't think they are! Maybe in the very south of Russia.. Mongolians? Anyhoo...)
So (to me) they are an exception to the rule... they are "in" (as in a part of) Asia, but to call them Asians would be incorrect.
When I refer to someone from South America I refer to them one of two ways.. they are "South Americans" or they are "Whatever country they come from within South America" Brazilian.. Peruvian...etc...
But maybe that's just the way I was taught.. biggrin
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:56 pm
it's interesting that Russia has come into the debate.
we have a lot of immigrants where i work, many Poles, Czechs and what i term as Russians.
We lump people under the 'Russian' umbrella, when actually none of them are, because Russia isn't in the E.U so they can't come to England. All the Russian speaking immigrants are from Latvia, Lithuania and so on. i wonder if they get annoyed with us labelling them wrong ninja
Iveta who works with me is from the Czech Republic, and she's VERY quick to correct you if you say Czechoslovakia by mistake..
it amuses me who territorial people get over their country, shows we're all patriotic to a certain extent i suppose, even if we think we're not 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:41 pm
I think sisu understands where I'm coming from the best, and I certainly agree with her.
The way I've always spoke of somebody from South America was like sisu, either using the term, "South American" or talking more specifically from their country, "Peruvian," "Brazilian," etc.
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:44 am
We also have alot of immigrants where I live, and it's interesting that they are territorial about their FORMER countries... don't call someone from Puerto Rico "mexican"... they will inform you that they are NOT. Same goes for Bosnian/Russian...Vietnamese/Chinese/Asian.
Our country is so bent on "political corectness" that it borders on insane at times.
If I am not SURE where a person that LOOKS Asian is from... they are Asian. No big deal, I mean no offense by it. Same goes for someone that LOOKS Hispanic...Latino...
Even though our country has no OFFICIAL language, it used to be that if you came here, you learned English. My state has an official language (English) but not my country.
I could go off on a whole tangent here... but it would probably belong in the vent thread. burning_eyes rofl
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:38 am
Don't get me started. gonk
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:00 pm
noo, let it out Sryne, we're all sat here in comfy chairs by the fire, no better place for animated discussion.
just out of interest then.
what if the States weren't United? and North America was made up of 10 or 12 seperate counties? Texas would be a country on it's own, i don't know enough about US history to guess any others, but i wonder how different the world would be today if this was the case..
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:10 pm
I believe everything would be different if the USA wasn't united. If the south had one the Civil War and we were split into two seperate nations, or if we hadn't ever rebeled against England and gained our freedom and then united together afterwards... it would be a whole different world.
If we weren't one united nation, then I believe it would have changed the course of history on many different occasions. The World Wars, Desert Storm, Iraqi Freedom, just to name a few.
As for what I was going to say early, I can't stand when people move to a country with a different language, don't know the native language, and make no effort to learn it. I've seen it way too many times where I used to live (up near DC) and it really gets to me. What's worse, is that the US is accomodating these people so that they won't have to learn our language. I can't call tech support anywhere without having to choose between spanish and english. I can't drive down the street without seeing a hand written sign posted below a printed sign just to translate it to spanish.
Don't get me wrong, I understand that sometimes the opportunity arises for somebody to make a move and they take it, but at least make some effort to learn the native language. I also understand that not everyone is like this, and this statement is not directed towards them in any way. sweatdrop
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