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Sir Thomass

nuGen Staff Member

PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:21 pm


If you like the idea, but are unsure how to use it, ask the official people. That's my suggestion. 3nodding
PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:54 pm


Pick whichever one you like best, or try and create a happy medium between the variations. My original concept was the Grim and I went with the information that I found that was the most consistant as well as what I liked the best. You're not mixing two different myths, but I'd personally work with whatever most of your sources say. If you like the Welsh Grim, go with that. Also keep in mind that there is a Scottish "dog" already out there in the quest forum, so you might want to stick to the British interpretation and keep your focus around what you find there.

Since you're not combining myths (i.e. combine the Grim with another British myth) there shouldn't be a problem with mixing traits from the "black dogs" of the UK. Sosi/Kali/Cere/Arri can correct me on this, but as far as I know there was nothing wrong with my Grim concept when I wrote it up way back when. ^^

Chibi Sheepcat


Teh Zan

PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:38 pm


But the Grim is just the british variation of the same black dog myth. @.@ There's one on a black dog too... there's a lot of reference. Who has a Scottish dog quest? *tilts head and goes to look*

I have to really get creative but it's late so I can't think straight but I really need to find a solution soon or I'm screwed before the contest even starts. ><
PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:48 pm


*flails* I can't pick what variation of the black dog you're going to use. xD;; This is one of the websites that I used for my quest, which you might wanna have a look at because it gives you some mythbase and choices for interpretation of the black dog myths.

Syrcaid is doing the Hound of the Highlands. *nod nod*

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Teh Zan

PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:52 pm


That = favorite site I ever found. XD It's the most useful one to me but it also confuses me beyond all reason. I suppose just picking one variation would work but... then what's the myth? Do I just link to websites and write up a death?

Oh I saw that, but it has no relation to the black dog (right?). ^^; It's pretty cool though isn't it? xD
PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:00 pm


If you look under the "adopt a concept" I've thrown in a bunch more links on the black dog if you're looking for some more myth background. If you can't find anything you have to create some of it. My myth is based off about two lines of a hunter's story, so you just have to work with what you've been given. You can exercise your creativity with your myth, so long as the dog doesn't suddenly sprout wings and become superman. Right? xD

And no, I don't believe they're related. ^^

Chibi Sheepcat


Teh Zan

PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:07 pm


*reminds self to read this tomorrow* My comprehension level just dropped below... *blinks*... I can't even finish this sentence it's so bad. I'm so tired right now. xD So uhm, I'll try to understand you tomorrow but thanks for your help. It's really really useful. ^^
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:47 pm


So, now that I've done all this research and stuff I realize that, crud, my concept may in fact be violating one of the 'What Fa'e are not' notations in the Creating a Fa'e guidelinemabobber.

My concept was based off Cathleen Ni Houlihan, basically the personification of Ireland's patriotism and unity. She, the object of the mythbase, does in fact have a few powers, but the most important aspect is the whole patriotism and so forth.

However, uh, Ireland still exists.

Mind, Cathleen was technically centered more around the time when Ireland was trying to break off from England's attempt at colonialism. Because of this (and the fact that, hey! Ireland technically isn't a united land anymore what with the Protestant and Catholic religious differences), would she still be a viable concept or should I just trash the idea and find something else?

Pukio


Arrien
Crew
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:08 pm


I think that it should probably be okay. 3nodding She's a personification of traits about Ireland; when Ireland stopped needing a personification for those, she would have faded away (assuming she didn't meet with any sort of death before then).
PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:55 pm


Very plotty questionsssss-

My current idea for Jean Mollie involves a guardian change before even arriving in Gaia. I was told in a critique that without a solid guardian bond, a Fa'e wouldn't be able to exist. Is it possible for a Fa'e to be bonded to a guardian of a completely non-humanoid, non-verbal species? And, if separated from THAT guardian, would it be possible for a Fa'e to be bonded to another person entirely? When Jean Mollie is taken away from her first guardian (a dog-ish creature), they are never reunited again, but she then meets the guardian who will be with her in Gaia. Would this actually be possible? Does the Guardian-Fa'e bond have to resemble a parent-child relationship, or can it also be an older-younger sibling sort of thing?

I was also told that the lost children are found by the Conrad NPC. This is the first I've heard of that. Where can I find full information on how the lost children work? Sorry, there's just so much content written on the Fa'e that I don't know where to start looking. Right now, Jean Mollie and Mecka come to Gaia through circumstances not related to the Fa'e at all (they start off on a planet that's physically located in the same world as Gaia). Does that have to be changed? Did the lost children that Airi summoned wind up on completely different dimensions entirely?

Also, I've been having trouble justifying Jean Mollie's rebirth as a Fa'e (a problem that's been with me from the start, really). With the chupacabra mythbase I'm working with now, she would have been just one out of many chupacabras that weren't really all that distinguishable from each other. I've made up a reason for Jean Mollie to be the chupa to be reborn, as opposed to any other of the the who-knows-how-many chupacabras running around South America. But, that sort of turns her into a Mary Sue, because she's suddenly special in a race where she shouldn't be. With mythbases that are species and not individuals (looking at the database thread, we've got satyrs, pixies, kirins, dragons, kitsune, kelpies, and selkies), what's the distinction that gets one of the species reborn?

To what extent do Fa'e have to resemble the personalities of their past selves? This is kind of a nature vs. nurture thing. Chupacabras are all oh-my-gawd-its-eating-my-face-hide-the-children vicious, but my Jean Mollie grew up with species that are a lot less psychotic. Although she does a lot of gross and gorey things (she hunts her own food, and eats it raw), she will also give friends puppy-nuzzles to cheer them when they're sad. Too much divergence?

How humanoid do Fa'e have to be? Even the animal-based Fa'e are pretty much anthros of varying degree. Jean Mollie walks on all fours, and I'm thinking of taking away her opposable thumbs and replacing them with dewclaws. Is being like a human a big part of being a Fa'e? If a non-hominid Fa'e went down the human path, what would happen?

When lost children and their guardians come from their own worlds to Gaia, what happens to them, financially? Are they expected to work on their own to get a house (not that hard on Gaia, but still), or is something provided for them until they've adjusted to the move? I'm toying with the idea of Mecka and Jeany being foragers on the streets (which they did before coming to Gaia, and they were both hunters in the wilderness before meeting each other). Like, they'll hop your fence and start eating the fuzzy little grains off your weeds and the crickets out of your lawn. And then maybe go through your garbage for dessert. They kind of enjoy that lifestyle, because it's what they know and they don't understand the way complex societies work (as in, 'job? What's that?'). Would somebody step in and say 'no, that's not the way for a Fa'e to live,' or would everyone just turn the other cheek (or not find out in the first place), or would that possibility just never even be an option?

Sorry, I'm just a jibbertybox of questionhood today. gonk

MegaRose

Mega Gaian


Chibi Sheepcat

PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:20 am


I shall leave eeeevery question on here for someone who knows more than I, but I shall give you the information on Lost Children and a link to the Fa'e Metaplot post in the Guild. ^^

First off, Metaplot

Second, this is what Sosi posted about the Lost Children in the thread:

Fae HQ
The Lost Children - A NEW Fa'e Plotline & Event!!

First off, have you read Airi and Conrad's conversation yet? Go and do so now!

Seems that when Airi was first creating the Fa'e - do you remember, some of you oldbies, how Anya had to track down the children and touch them with the Talisman to make them real? After doing so, she would bring the babies to their Guardians.

Before Airi mastered the art of calling the reborn Fa'e to her, they didn't always appear only in Gaia... and Anya occasionally had to travel very far indeed...


The Lost Children are Fa'e who grew up bound to Guardians in other worlds apart from Gaia, completely ignorant of who and what they are, of Airi and Chaos, and of their very nature as Fa'e! These children have grown by now to the age of teenagers, but with Chaos on the prowl over all worlds, they are no longer safe, and it's time to gather them in.

What does this mean?




It means that, because of Anya's tremendous generosity, THERE WILL BE A CONCEPT CONTEST FOR AT LEAST TWO COMPLETELY NEW FA'E!!

The Lost Children will be completely custom; however, they *must* have grown up in a world outside of Gaia and be ignorant of their true pasts and natures. They also will begin at TEEN STAGE and go from there. They are fully fledged first generation Fa'e!

After the concept contest is judged and winners are chosen, a group of Fa'e - led by Conrad - will sally forth worldwalking to discover and bring back the Lost Children and their Guardians.

We hope all the lurkers and those wishing for Fa'e will join us in this event!! We don't yet have a timeline for this as it's dependent on Anya's schedule, but it will most likely happen in late September or early October.


Does that help any?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:17 am


Fae HQ
The Lost Children - A NEW Fa'e Plotline & Event!!

First off, have you read Airi and Conrad's conversation yet? Go and do so now!

Seems that when Airi was first creating the Fa'e - do you remember, some of you oldbies, how Anya had to track down the children and touch them with the Talisman to make them real? After doing so, she would bring the babies to their Guardians.

Before Airi mastered the art of calling the reborn Fa'e to her, they didn't always appear only in Gaia... and Anya occasionally had to travel very far indeed...


The Lost Children are Fa'e who grew up bound to Guardians in other worlds apart from Gaia, completely ignorant of who and what they are, of Airi and Chaos, and of their very nature as Fa'e! These children have grown by now to the age of teenagers, but with Chaos on the prowl over all worlds, they are no longer safe, and it's time to gather them in.

What does this mean?




It means that, because of Anya's tremendous generosity, THERE WILL BE A CONCEPT CONTEST FOR AT LEAST TWO COMPLETELY NEW FA'E!!

The Lost Children will be completely custom; however, they *must* have grown up in a world outside of Gaia and be ignorant of their true pasts and natures. They also will begin at TEEN STAGE and go from there. They are fully fledged first generation Fa'e!

After the concept contest is judged and winners are chosen, a group of Fa'e - led by Conrad - will sally forth worldwalking to discover and bring back the Lost Children and their Guardians.

We hope all the lurkers and those wishing for Fa'e will join us in this event!! We don't yet have a timeline for this as it's dependent on Anya's schedule, but it will most likely happen in late September or early October.


Yes! This is what I needed. Thank you!

MegaRose

Mega Gaian


Sable Eye Cerena
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:56 pm


I'm going to leave the guardian question to Sosi because that's something that I'm still kind of struggling with myself. XD Needless to say, a guardian change is a VERY big deal, especially for a younger Fa'e.

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Also, I've been having trouble justifying Jean Mollie's rebirth as a Fa'e (a problem that's been with me from the start, really). With the chupacabra mythbase I'm working with now, she would have been just one out of many chupacabras that weren't really all that distinguishable from each other. I've made up a reason for Jean Mollie to be the chupa to be reborn, as opposed to any other of the the who-knows-how-many chupacabras running around South America. But, that sort of turns her into a Mary Sue, because she's suddenly special in a race where she shouldn't be. With mythbases that are species and not individuals (looking at the database thread, we've got satyrs, pixies, kirins, dragons, kitsune, kelpies, and selkies), what's the distinction that gets one of the species reborn?


It doesn't necessarily have to be a 'special' member of the race; the thing that's required for ALL Fa'e to be reborn is to have an actual will to be reborn. The spirit has to be in some kind of limbo, 'moving on' in neither direction, hanging around for whatever reasons to be reborn again. It can be as simple as revenge, but they need to have some kind of purpose to be remanifested again.

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To what extent do Fa'e have to resemble the personalities of their past selves? This is kind of a nature vs. nurture thing. Chupacabras are all oh-my-gawd-its-eating-my-face-hide-the-children vicious, but my Jean Mollie grew up with species that are a lot less psychotic. Although she does a lot of gross and gorey things (she hunts her own food, and eats it raw), she will also give friends puppy-nuzzles to cheer them when they're sad. Too much divergence?


This is ultimately up to you, but she needs to, well, actually be the reincarnation of a chupacabra, and her personality should reflect this in some way. It's not to say that she needs to drink blood, but -- like you mentioned -- perhaps she prefers her meat raw -- in other words, it doesn't have to be anything major, but we need to know that you're not just tacking a myth on to justify a character you're too scared to let go of. Jean Mollie needs to be justified to be a chupacabra; the chupacabra should not be justified to be a Jean Mollie. Does that make sense?

I think, at the very least, she should still share some of the chupacabra's primal instincts -- maybe puffing out and being "OMG IN YOUR FACE SCARY" when she feels threatened. Something like that.

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How humanoid do Fa'e have to be? Even the animal-based Fa'e are pretty much anthros of varying degree. Jean Mollie walks on all fours, and I'm thinking of taking away her opposable thumbs and replacing them with dewclaws. Is being like a human a big part of being a Fa'e? If a non-hominid Fa'e went down the human path, what would happen?


I don't believe so... I think they've mainly been humanoid so far because, well, Airi herself is humanoid, and she's giving away her own blood to bring these Fa'e to life. (That and most of the Fa'e are gods, which are created in mankind's own image. Things like that.)

When a Fa'e goes down the human path, they are completely human, and are allowed to keep only one trait. I think this trait is physical; I have no idea if the human Fa'e retain any magical power (I don't think they keep any of their old magic, at least. Maybe some magic ability to do basic arcane spells, if anything. Sosi should clear this up.)

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When lost children and their guardians come from their own worlds to Gaia, what happens to them, financially?


That's up to you. So far some of the Lost Children have been living in one of the spare rooms of the Fa'e HQ to adjust to the move and meet some of their own kind. I think OoCly, people would turn the other cheek; ICly you should be prepared to be constantly lectured that that's not the kind of lifestyle one should be providing for a child.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:31 pm


Cerena
It doesn't necessarily have to be a 'special' member of the race; the thing that's required for ALL Fa'e to be reborn is to have an actual will to be reborn. The spirit has to be in some kind of limbo, 'moving on' in neither direction, hanging around for whatever reasons to be reborn again. It can be as simple as revenge, but they need to have some kind of purpose to be remanifested again.


So my current idea, that she just really didn't wanna leave her family behind, is that good? Even if I wind up writing it so it's a completely instinctual, protect-the-gene-pool thing?

MegaRose

Mega Gaian


kalindara
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:51 pm


Yes, that would work, Megarose.

I'm not sure about the changing guardians thing. It's totally possible for the guardian to be an animal or non-humanoid, but generally the switching of guardians is very difficult and usually results in the fa'e fading or almost-dying for a period of time. That might be a bit much for a Lost Child.

While it is possible, it's rather rare and traumatic. Maybe Sosi'd be better off giving a ruling on that, though.
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