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alright, I finished...man I'm so tired >.<"

as for my coments on what you[dboyzero] said...

you challenged me saying that homosexuality is not determined by choice but similar to genetics in that they can not choose. However, your only support for that statement was "common belief". Though it may sound sufficient when you skim over the argument, you must realize that common belief is not a valid support. Common belief said that the earth was not round. Common belief said that the universe revolved around the earth.

So before we continue furthur, please, give solid evidence for this claim that homosexuality is not by choice. Because if it is by choice, then I find no need to continue further for the reason that your entire train of thought is based on the assumption that it is not by chioce.

as for the proofs that God exists, I have roughly finished expanding the points/topic I mentioned earlier. for eyes' ease I will post each point in a different post. I do hope you dont mind, if you do, tell me and I'll jam them all up in one post. Though, before you look in, I can tell you that if you refuse to believe, it doesn't matter how much proof i bring you, you will still not believe. I shall post the expansions after this post

hmmm, more readings....I'll have a look another time. sorry, kinda tired now.

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By the way, a teacher of mine once said wikipedia is not a liable source when siting on projects. hmmm, but I'll have a look now anyways and see what it says. Its quite a long document...lol, guess I'll continue reading it periodically.

I'm Christian and straight, and I see no problem with it. Hell, if a guy started hitting on me, I'd be flattered. At least I'd know I was attractive.

You overly-religious people shouldn't take the Bible so literally. It's just God's resume, and what resume doesn't have a little padding?

I strongly believe this country is afraid of new things. The pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are unalienable rights. They are SUPPOSED to be given to EVERY citizen. However we have taken away life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness away from those who are different then us. If you are to judge a person by ones prefrence you might as well judge them by what music they like and what race they hate. Discriminating against gays is just as bad as discriminating against someone that's not the same color as you. It's petty and silly. I also firmly believe that god created Adam and Eve but it's not our place to judge. God will do that on judgement day. If you don't believe in God well here's one for you, you can't control whom your heart falls in love with. Most Americans fall in love with their best friends, because there's a compatibility in their best friend. Most American's best friend is of the same gender. These people that some call fags and so on and so forth, pray to be 'normal' but the question is, who decides where normal starts and where it all ends?

@dboyzero:
I gave up reading the first two but finished the third...though...I'm just wondering but... have you read through the stuff yourself? None of the stuff there are solid proven absolute. Alot of them are flawed, criticized, "possible", "maybe", "most likely"... so...did you want to use that as proof that homosexuality is a biological thing? If so, please forgive my slow-ness but you'll have to elaborate on each.

@Rioku:
you say...
1. your religion teacher agrees that people are born gay
2. there are more chemicals related to the female body in the brain if it is a gay male
3. God made a mistake
4. gay isn't a choice

-//1//-
for a start, using what people say as proof[in your case] is not much of an evidence...suppose he was wrong? then wouldn't it mean that you are blind led by the blind?

-//2.//-
and? first if you make a claim as such perhaps proving it would be a good first step. then point out why this is related to your train of thought would be a good second step. unless you can have a complete train of thought with valid statements...it doesn't amount to too much in terms of convincing points.

-//3. and 4.//-
You're saying that God made a mistake. You're saying that gay isn't a choice and if God is true then He created gay to discriminate them. First of all, you should prove that gay is not a choice. your point 2 doesn't prove that gay is not a choice. Lets suppose that statement is true. that there is more chemicals of female body in gay males than average. Does that mean that it is these chemicals that cauesd a person to be gay? What about the reverse? Could it be that a person is gay and thus caused such a result? Both are equally valid when there is no proof to support either. So unless you can break the balance, your arguments are nulled[as solid proof anyways] because of an equally plausible alternative possibility.

by the way, from my point of view, God doesn't make mistakes. If you try to prove that wrong, I will also use my limited knowledge to try to prove you otherwise

I don't see any problem with it. Though the american goverment can't abide by it's own laws since they are not allowed to bring religon in to ANYTHING political though that's what the whole thing is about but then the pledge of alligance isreligous so we breack the law practically every day. mrgreen