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hectornoobie

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:20 pm


no offence to q and the nova guys or nothing but I cant stand the nova plots and the guardian stuff.

Its just... its god-moding without the obviousness
PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:42 pm


hey, none taken. everyone's entitled to their own opinion and i'm sure you're not the only one who feels that way. that's why i put cole in here, because i still wanted to be a part of the jedi experience. q can't be a jedi anymore, and i still wanted to partake in the adventure since i've invested a bit of time studying up on my star wars.

thanks for clarifying the senate thing as well.

Cole Fuzion
Vice Captain


hectornoobie

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:45 pm


^^

no problem, I just know that cos in the original star wars film you have that bit where the imperial officer says "If the senate should hear of this there might be some sympathy for the rebelion" and the other one goes "the emporere just disolved the senate."

the only thing about the senate is that its structured differently. where before each planet had a senator who spoke to the chancellor, now each planet has a senator who speaks to the chancellors representative for their area of the galaxy
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:03 pm


hahah... sorry about the confusion there. sweatdrop

Cole Fuzion
Vice Captain


hectornoobie

PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 2:55 pm


so any ideas?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:21 am


Dante_Cross
so any ideas?


ideas? question

Cole Fuzion
Vice Captain


HisRoyalFreshnessV2

PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:31 pm


*eats popcorn*
PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:38 pm


Dante_Cross
no offence to q and the nova guys or nothing but I cant stand the nova plots and the guardian stuff.

Its just... its god-moding without the obviousness


I object to the god-moding statement. For it's storyline and powers... there is not god-modding. Put a Jedi against Nova and you know that there's not a chance. They are two different storylines that don't mesh easily... thus add the guardians so that the Jedi have a fighting chance. But I'm pretty sure Sara would object to the accusation of god-modding as well.

Violente


Lethe of Kit

PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:56 pm


Violente
Dante_Cross
no offence to q and the nova guys or nothing but I cant stand the nova plots and the guardian stuff.

Its just... its god-moding without the obviousness


I object to the god-moding statement. For it's storyline and powers... there is not god-modding. Put a Jedi against Nova and you know that there's not a chance. They are two different storylines that don't mesh easily... thus add the guardians so that the Jedi have a fighting chance. But I'm pretty sure Sara would object to the accusation of god-modding as well.
(jumping into this 6 days late)

*crawls out of grave*

Ahem

The storyline I guess I can put up with, but your statement about Jedi against Nova = no chance for the jedi fool just doesn't fit.

I don't make claims against Nova and her skills, and as you said, they ARE two very different storylines that frankly don't mesh at all.

Based on what I've gathered about all this guardian bit, it's been going longer than the jedi guild.

Okay fine and dandy with that. I've been through this with most of you and you have had your reasons, but I see very little reference as to how this guardian thing and the jedi temple are going to tie in. (jedi temple in being the separate entity that we seem to have lost contact with in the course of the guild being around for a while. )

V, you say that adding in the guardians would give the jedi a fighting chance. I find that completely absurd and untrue. Surely the jedi who became guardians/have another Rp character guardian can handle themselves just fine. However, what about those of us who aren't guardians? Supposing that the rp plot takes a twist leading down to some being (Nova or one of her henchies) against a non-guardian, like myself. (for lack of a better idea as to whom is what nowadays)

What happens then? None of us like to lose or have our character, "die". But that is what is likely to happen should a situation like that occur.

Summing it all up for those of you who don't want to read all the crap I just wrote:

I agree with Dante on this one. On all his counts plus my own of having very little to absolutely no reference to this jedi guild.

*crawls back into her grave*
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:29 pm


Yes, I understand what you are saying, but it's not god modding. The two types of characters... ones using magic and other skills not related to star wars is definitely stronger than the force. I agree that they don't mesh well at all, but the situation you put up of: a non-guardian going up against Nova, that wouldn't happen unless that was talked about with the someone involved OR unless there were guardian(s) present to intervene. As for how they are going to tie in... I think we are trying our hardest to keep the guardians and Jedi separated. The only Nova Corp things affecting the Jedi are technological ones and those are more along the Star Wars lines. The other Nova Corp baddies that the Jedi would fight would most likely be Darth Virtra (who is fightable... Yoda fought her and sent her packing. And the now trained jedi will probably fight her several times and then kill her. I don't know how that is going to work) and General Nova (who we know has Jedi training and prefers to use such when fighting the Jedi) so it's a more even battle. Heck Kai was able to fend off the General splendidly. 3nodding

Now the only thing I was objecting to was the god modding accusation, which our posts and fighting are not. But as it is evident... we are trying to separate them.

Violente


Zeek_Asura

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:47 pm


hey.. i'm for the fight against Varc... that is... the demon version of Zeek vs the varc everyone here hasnt fought.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:28 pm


Violente
Yes, I understand what you are saying, but it's not god modding. The two types of characters... ones using magic and other skills not related to star wars is definitely stronger than the force. I agree that they don't mesh well at all, but the situation you put up of: a non-guardian going up against Nova, that wouldn't happen unless that was talked about with the someone involved OR unless there were guardian(s) present to intervene. As for how they are going to tie in... I think we are trying our hardest to keep the guardians and Jedi separated. The only Nova Corp things affecting the Jedi are technological ones and those are more along the Star Wars lines. The other Nova Corp baddies that the Jedi would fight would most likely be Darth Virtra (who is fightable... Yoda fought her and sent her packing. And the now trained jedi will probably fight her several times and then kill her. I don't know how that is going to work) and General Nova (who we know has Jedi training and prefers to use such when fighting the Jedi) so it's a more even battle. Heck Kai was able to fend off the General splendidly. 3nodding

Now the only thing I was objecting to was the god modding accusation, which our posts and fighting are not. But as it is evident... we are trying to separate them.
Mm,

And I never actually said that it was god-modding.

But frankly, the situation I put up was intended to be a worst-case scenario. The point however, still stands. It's not technically impossible to happen, and I can almost foresee it happening. I don't deny some people's skills in roleplay battle, but some of it just screams god-moding. Aforementioned will not be mentioned in detail as it is not relevant.

And as for Gen. Nova, jedi training as he has, automatically puts him on a more even level with us as is. Additional training, even should he opt not to utilize such, would put him above most members.

Now all of that garbage I just wrote for this post means little to me. What I want to know is, if y'all are trying to separate the two plots, how exactly is that working out? I'm not seeing much, if any separation at all.

Lethe of Kit


hectornoobie

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:02 pm


wow... this is the second time I've been able to instill arguments between people... I have the power to create turmoil... now should I use my powers to fight crime or for evil...

My point regarding the God moding was a little cloudy when I explained it, so let me explain it now.

When a character is more powerful than another character and they easily beat the first character that is fine. I have no problem with that. But these powers, the guardian powers were not earned by constant use of training, the search for mythic access to the abilities or even a long conversation with some creepy old man who has the power to bestow abilities. The abilities were just randomly given to them.

A definition of God-moding is having a character so powerful that no member can defeat them. A admit that in the past people have explained various flaws in these guardians, such as Nova's inabiloity to sustain her powers forever, ((I thinkthat was one)) and that the guardians have to say the words of their spells, but this is easily stepped around by them with the simple art of posting the whole spell in the middle of their post, making it impossible to cut them off half way because they just said it. ALSO some of the guardians have learned to either shorten the spells or remove the need for saying them outloud alltoghether.

The god-moding that makes me cringe personally is not something you guardians have done, but something that you've forced us lower beings into doing. in reality not one of our characters would stand a chance against anything you guys throw at us, and yet not one of us has died. There is no way that this is possible, thus you've forced us into god-moding for our characters lives...

anyway, I kinda lost the ability to comprehend what I was saying about half way through that post. Im pretty sure Kit feels my pain there aswell ^^

so... yeah, thats my 8cents
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:16 pm


I wish we would stop having this conversation. The only UBER powerful people to date in this RP are Star and Nova... why? Because one is the evil person and one is the good guy. The rest of us guardians... especially Q, V, and Zeek... are frankly not so strong. My character got lucky of being Sarai's daughter and a guardian... was it random? Yes! That's why I wanted to RP as Mara. It made me have to work for it, but all the guardians have to work for their stuff too. When Nova joined gaia... she started off with Level one of telekinesis under her story and worked her way, step by step, to the point she is now. She's earned her power all over gaia. Star had it a little easier when she was brought in, but even she has proved her abilities and slowly advanced them. The general was the first of us on here and he started at level one of telekinesis too. (us being Me, V, Star, Yoda, Nova, Lookle, Nano and Gen. Nova) He earned his powers. What happens when we mix and mingle RP's is that people who start a new character have to start over... and people who get to be their same character don't have the problem of that.

Now dante has pointed out this here:

Quote:
A definition of God-moding is having a character so powerful that no member can defeat them. A admit that in the past people have explained various flaws in these guardians, such as Nova's inabiloity to sustain her powers forever, ((I thinkthat was one)) and that the guardians have to say the words of their spells, but this is easily stepped around by them with the simple art of posting the whole spell in the middle of their post, making it impossible to cut them off half way because they just said it. ALSO some of the guardians have learned to either shorten the spells or remove the need for saying them outloud alltoghether.


The only character that 'cannot' be defeated in this guild is Star Nova. If the Jedi were to fight smart, they could beat Star. Nova cannot keep her power up forever, and she was the only ancient magic user that can do spells without speaking... only thing is she took a vow never to use magic again. Star can pull of some single incantations, but not all like that. Myself and the rest still use long spells... unless it's simple things that don't do jack crap. And if the spell is said in the middle of the post... yeah that sucks, but you could do something after that spell to make speaking difficult, and if it's a really long spell you could say in your post something like: "While she was speaking I did such and such..." It's not like you are left empty handed.

But... i got off track here somehow.... I don't know. WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS: Let's drop the subject and go on with the story the way we are... Let's just be friends and work through it.

I have to say I respect Nano, she's not god modding. Sure she's blowing things up, but she's leaving us clues and making it fun... provided she stops disappearing. And I think it's a good thing to finally get back to the star wars lightsaber swinging, mysteryious assailent, force using part of the story!! There... that's what I want to say: LET'S JUST ALL WORK TOGETHER FOR HARMONY!!!

Magical Mistress Sarai
Vice Captain


hectornoobie

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:22 pm


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