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You know what's ironic? Your argument that Pro-Choicers and Anti-Death-Penalty people "ignore the truth in favor of something they are more comfortable with" is the same one Pro-Choicers, and Anti-Death-Penalty-ers I might add, would level against you; For the Pro-Choicers, you'd rather ignore the fact that abortion's a hard decision, and that women who have abortions are in tough situations, just to "save de poow widdle bay-bees," and the Anti-Death-Penalty-ers would say that you are ignoring the fact that killing someone when you don't have to is wrong, because you are more comfortable with the idea that people who do these horrible things die.

I'm honestly sorry to keep connecting this to abortion, but you make it very easy.

The more children born the more workers there are, but no more positions are created. Children cost money. Unwanted children are a leech upon their parents and, in the end, the system. To extend this, unwanted children could, theoretically, have a higher chance of becoming criminals and thus being sent to jail for various non-capital crimes, leeching even more off the system.

The reason I am against the death penalty in a modern world is that, from a non-religious perspective, no one deserves death.

Even if I am to accept that some people deserve death, who has the right to judge them deserving of death? Do you really have the right to say, "This person deserves to die, this person deserves to live?" The only being who has the right to deserve who lives and who dies is God. Or, if you don't believe in a god, no one deserves to choose who lives and who dies, because that places them in a god-like position.

Other reasons: It has been stated that the death penalty, with it's system of appeals, is actually more expensive than life in prison, partially because no one lives that long during a life sentence. I don't have the exact statistics anywhere (And this isn't a giant issue with me so I can't be bothered to look,) but that's what people said to me when I was Pro-Capital Punishment.

There are people on death row who repent. How do you like that? You commit a murder, go to jail, find God, repent of your wrongdoings... And you're put to death anyways. Sucks to be you, you don't get a chance to change. You've already been sentenced. You could be a completely new man who desires to go to starving countries and build villages, but you'll never get the chance because you've already been condemned.

There are people who have died and are later cleared of charges due to new evidence. It's not always possible to be absolutely certain that someone committed a murder, and yet people are still sentenced to death who didn't commit the crime.

The jobs the prisoners would receive would not be desirable ones. And besides, you wish that there were no murders ever, right? Well, in that situation, there would be even more workers because the people that the murderers kill would also be working. The solution to unemployment is creating new jobs, not killing off workers.

I agree with you. We shouldn't have to pay cause of their choices.

They knew it was wrong, they knew all the possible punishments for crimes and had a choice not to do it but they did, they deserve it. Murders arn't innocent victims and they had the choice to follow the law and they choosed to break it and risked the punishments.

Children are different then murders/criminals. Yes Children do cost money but they did nothing wrong to deserve death, most kids don't go killing other kids.

how many times do i have to tell you that i'm talking about people who don't WANT to change here? those who are leaches on the system and do not want to change their life. In EVERY example i've given and in every case i've said i think the death penalty should be used i made it very clear that i was talking about criminals who continue to exploit and abuse the system while in prison, rather then using the time to fix what's wrong with themselves.

*sigh*

also, yes i know it's more expensive to appeal / ect a death penalty case. That needs to change as well.

i'm saying they are a danger to others and not worth the risk and expense of keeping them alive

and trust me, with all the video equipment and witnesses in a prison, it should definatly limit the need for so many appeals.

and how can you call someone with an excuse and a true need a leech? they are not in controll of the circumstances that brought them there. A criminal is a completely different situation because they are abusing a system designed to give them a chance at redemption. It's kind of like the abortion argument saying that makes it sound like a child 'invaded' it's mother and is an unwanted intruder in her belly, where as in reality, that child had no choice in the matter at all.

intent is EVERYTHING, especially when it comes to crime and the law. It's the difference between involentary manslaughter and first degree murder. In this case, it's the difference between being a monster and someone in an unfortunate situation. One i'm very glad our country will support and sustain as it says a lot about how generous our country is with the vast wealth it has, but the other is a complete detrament and waste.

Also, if you don't care about them killing eachother, maybe we should just leave them on a tightrope over a large cliff? that way we don't kill them. Or wait, i got a better idea: We could have gladiator matches between the inmates. That will keep our hands clean. I don't see how you can say letting them in violent and disturbing ways (such as one case i heard of where a man was literally assraped to death by inmates) kill eachother is ok, but killing them in a humane way is not.

Also, in prison, bare handed murder is VERY common, or at least using objects in the environment rather then making them yourself. Also, you'd be suprised just how driven these inmates are and how resoursefull they can be when it comes to making weapons.

And besides, with the plan I proposed, we aren't giving them much time to come up with this stuff. At least eight hours a day of hard labor, and guards at every corner.