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 Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:10 am
Maximos That doesnt exactly inspire great confidence within me. Like. Well. Let me just be straightforward. I can do that. I could write things just like that or even bigger. I mean, its a creative format. It's not like a skill cap must be met to be X powerful, I could have Max appear in the ring as the next scion of eternal darkness exuding the power of some primordial darkness swallowing chunks of the multiverse with a whim because they annoy him. And I'm not saying that's what Ertai is doing or what anyone is doing, it's an example. In RP it doesnt take an extreme amount of skill to have extreme power. Really, it just takes saying you have said power. Seventy six wiki's and or four books doesnt make it any creditable. None of it is really creditable, we're all writing make believe. But... ...and, this is just me. It's not a commentary on anyone else's RP style or character. To each their own. No one should be told their fun is wrong. But... ...I dont want to. I, as a writer and a RPer, find it boring. It's not fun for me to read. It doesnt make mental pictures in a fight that I enjoy. Again, personal choice. I like feats of skill over feats of power. And I'm sure the character who can bench press Existence has skill, but is running up a wall and doing a backflip really noticeable when you can run up the Time Space Continuum and back flip into Infinity at four times the Speed of Thought? It's sort of like trying to write a post and focus on how you can aim a sniper shot across a busy street to kill a rotten gangster - but your gun fires nukes. Also your immune to nukes. So why are you aiming? Again, that's an imaginary 'you' for the sake of example, not any one particular individual. So when I say I've made a terrible mistake, I dont mean it to sound like I'm being down on anyone for their character choices or their personal preferences. I'm not. I'm really, really, really not. Some people like DBZ some people like Cowboy Bebop. It's just preference and there's nothing wrong with that. What I mean is, if I go into a fight and I read a response that takes longer to explain than execute or does something incredibly stupendously bombastic and way for out of the spectrum for say, a Street Fighter character (not the bosses)...I'm pretty much going to have Max shake his head, concede, and walk away. And I feel bad about that. But not bad enough to become The Darkness to prevent it. i wrote a giant pile of crap responding but realized i would just sound like a jackass. i came in with a stat character in free form and tried to simultaneously humor a godmoding character and hold back on a statistical demigod. Bad move on both accounts. I can't complain, my dude makes wormholes and folds space. Only difference is while i was playing a character with limits, my opponent was decidedly imagining that they would win, or they would take their ball and go home. in the process i electrocuted, burned, and detonated myself in the epic battle against Impervious Rex. I think Jenny is going to go Blackhole Sue on Kazuma...but you should give Ertai a chance. He's gotten more eloquent in the last 10 years.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:21 pm
Michael Noire i wrote a giant pile of crap responding but realized i would just sound like a jackass. i came in with a stat character in free form and tried to simultaneously humor a godmoding character and hold back on a statistical demigod. Bad move on both accounts. I can't complain, my dude makes wormholes and folds space. Only difference is while i was playing a character with limits, my opponent was decidedly imagining that they would win, or they would take their ball and go home. in the process i electrocuted, burned, and detonated myself in the epic battle against Impervious Rex. I think Jenny is going to go Blackhole Sue on Kazuma...but you should give Ertai a chance. He's gotten more eloquent in the last 10 years. I will, honestly I will. In truth I dont expect he's actually going to show up since he hasnt made a single post in this guild and doesnt seem to be on the member list unless he's using an alt. But - if he does I most certainly will. Honestly, if what I wrote came off as judgmental or critical it honestly wasnt meant to and I apologize for that. There's no need for, or I didnt intend there to be a need for, you or anyone to defend themselves. It was just supposed to be a statement on my opinion and tastes singularly and not a statement on what some sort of fight standard should be. I dont mean to sound like I'm picking on you, or Ertai, or even Clash. Though I will admit that having Kazuma straight up shrug off punching a nuke was maybe not the fairest way to go, especially after you fairly took the backlash from it. But again, that's just me. I think he's employing the Rule of Shonen Main Character to basically look at the actual action in a post and cut away the rest that isnt a direct action toward Kazuma. In an anime the main character is going to survive unless its part of the plot that he dies so everything is survivable and everything is understood to be operating within a certain scale when you watch it. So unless the scale of the anime is very high like OPM or DBZ/S you expect and assume X amount of force. Then you translate that to Gaia by removing all descriptions. So a punch at mach 7 with seven megatons of force, is just a punch. An explosion of X measure of force or Y degrees of heat, is just an explosion. Like the perfectly spherical explosions in Gundam that exist so characters can fly through them and look cool. So in this case Dysia heated up to twice the heat of the sun in nano-seconds, that employed no direct action against Kazuma so he just dropped her like nothing happened and started punching. Again, not judging the actions there in, that's just my read on things. Have you ever played the Marvel Heroic RPG? It's a tabletop gaming system. It basically lets you invent your own story. Players describe a set of actions and then do a dice roll. The actions are assumed to have happened and the dice roll lets the DM basically decide the intensity of said actions via a D10. So the player describes crashing the sun into the earth, and then roles 2. So the sun crashes into the earth but the bad guy suddenly catches it and it manages to not kill anyone or hurt anyone. He laughs and throws it back into it's normal position. Or they role a 10. The sun crashes into the earth and the bad guy is hurt. DM decides how hurt. The catastrophic repercussions of that action to the solar system or to the earth as a whole dont really matter. The universe in the game is understood to be able to accept and cope with whatever the player chooses and have the actions wide ranging effect limited down to whatever would be deemed acceptable for a single RP turn. Sort of like a comic book. The player can do literally whatever they can describe. So again, a worldshattering punch is just a punch. Tossing a continent is really just hitting someone with a big rock. I would say its safer to imagine your fight and Dysia's fight like that. Technically, the both players have free reign to just cut loose entirely. But those action descriptions no matter how extreme are basically just fluff for whatever the core action is. On a totally unrelated note, I will say that Blackhole Sue sounds like the absolute coolest band name ever. I would listen to them just because of that name.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:59 pm
Maximos Michael Noire i wrote a giant pile of crap responding but realized i would just sound like a jackass. i came in with a stat character in free form and tried to simultaneously humor a godmoding character and hold back on a statistical demigod. Bad move on both accounts. I can't complain, my dude makes wormholes and folds space. Only difference is while i was playing a character with limits, my opponent was decidedly imagining that they would win, or they would take their ball and go home. in the process i electrocuted, burned, and detonated myself in the epic battle against Impervious Rex. I think Jenny is going to go Blackhole Sue on Kazuma...but you should give Ertai a chance. He's gotten more eloquent in the last 10 years. I will, honestly I will. In truth I dont expect he's actually going to show up since he hasnt made a single post in this guild and doesnt seem to be on the member list unless he's using an alt. But - if he does I most certainly will. Honestly, if what I wrote came off as judgmental or critical it honestly wasnt meant to and I apologize for that. There's no need for, or I didnt intend there to be a need for, you or anyone to defend themselves. It was just supposed to be a statement on my opinion and tastes singularly and not a statement on what some sort of fight standard should be. I dont mean to sound like I'm picking on you, or Ertai, or even Clash. Though I will admit that having Kazuma straight up shrug off punching a nuke was maybe not the fairest way to go, especially after you fairly took the backlash from it. But again, that's just me. I think he's employing the Rule of Shonen Main Character to basically look at the actual action in a post and cut away the rest that isnt a direct action toward Kazuma. In an anime the main character is going to survive unless its part of the plot that he dies so everything is survivable and everything is understood to be operating within a certain scale when you watch it. So unless the scale of the anime is very high like OPM or DBZ/S you expect and assume X amount of force. Then you translate that to Gaia by removing all descriptions. So a punch at mach 7 with seven megatons of force, is just a punch. An explosion of X measure of force or Y degrees of heat, is just an explosion. Like the perfectly spherical explosions in Gundam that exist so characters can fly through them and look cool. So in this case Dysia heated up to twice the heat of the sun in nano-seconds, that employed no direct action against Kazuma so he just dropped her like nothing happened and started punching. Again, not judging the actions there in, that's just my read on things. Have you ever played the Marvel Heroic RPG? It's a tabletop gaming system. It basically lets you invent your own story. Players describe a set of actions and then do a dice roll. The actions are assumed to have happened and the dice roll lets the DM basically decide the intensity of said actions via a D10. So the player describes crashing the sun into the earth, and then roles 2. So the sun crashes into the earth but the bad guy suddenly catches it and it manages to not kill anyone or hurt anyone. He laughs and throws it back into it's normal position. Or they role a 10. The sun crashes into the earth and the bad guy is hurt. DM decides how hurt. The catastrophic repercussions of that action to the solar system or to the earth as a whole dont really matter. The universe in the game is understood to be able to accept and cope with whatever the player chooses and have the actions wide ranging effect limited down to whatever would be deemed acceptable for a single RP turn. Sort of like a comic book. The player can do literally whatever they can describe. So again, a worldshattering punch is just a punch. Tossing a continent is really just hitting someone with a big rock. I would say its safer to imagine your fight and Dysia's fight like that. Technically, the both players have free reign to just cut loose entirely. But those action descriptions no matter how extreme are basically just fluff for whatever the core action is. On a totally unrelated note, I will say that Blackhole Sue sounds like the absolute coolest band name ever. I would listen to them just because of that name. Marvel.. hmnn.. lemme see. Oh yeah, i played that at a comic shop a couple of years ago. I was going to see if they would let me play Starbrand. http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Kevin_Connor_(Earth-616) i liked the way they set up the character in the infinity comic, though the d8-d12 system was a bit quirky. I played several other marvel games, heroclix, Marvel 1984 RPG, marvel Saga card game, and marvel RPG, which i think had the coolest character creation, you used magic the gathering counters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Universe_Roleplaying_Game i have fond memories of wandering through the Michaels art store to get a bunch of glass beads. whee black hole sue is sort of like one of those Lobo characters given the powers of silver surfer or something. they get so broken you just wish they would 4th wall chat with you just to complete the total picture of FUBAR. I stopped playing Anthon because my GM could no longer comprehend the character... until stupid recent when i showed him the Doctor Strange movie. Then he got it, like the direction i was going. I've been playing cosmic characters since the 1990s. I guess i see what you mean by the fluff text version of some interpretations. I came from the older harder scifi anime generation, where characters could die in vaccum, where the instability in the ground caused you to fall, etc. The DBZ interpretation (a punch is just a punch) always felt slapsticky to me. Like, i liked Goku vs. Freiza as his high point, but instead of making him more powerful, they just Weimar Republic'd his Power Rating along with everyone elses and introduced more silly characters. Like I dunno, in terms of narrative, Goku seemed more powerful fighting Freiza the first time than any later incarnation. The writers can say he's even more powerful, that his hair is now magenta with polka dots, but it actually feels weaker, and less serious. His former ascended godlike punches are now again, just punches. Like stuffed animals fighting.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:10 pm
Michael Noire Marvel.. hmnn.. lemme see. Oh yeah, i played that at a comic shop a couple of years ago. I was going to see if they would let me play Starbrand. http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Kevin_Connor_(Earth-616) i liked the way they set up the character in the infinity comic, though the d8-d12 system was a bit quirky. I played several other marvel games, heroclix, Marvel 1984 RPG, marvel Saga card game, and marvel RPG, which i think had the coolest character creation, you used magic the gathering counters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Universe_Roleplaying_Game i have fond memories of wandering through the Michaels art store to get a bunch of glass beads. whee black hole sue is sort of like one of those Lobo characters given the powers of silver surfer or something. they get so broken you just wish they would 4th wall chat with you just to complete the total picture of FUBAR. I stopped playing Anthon because my GM could no longer comprehend the character... until stupid recent when i showed him the Doctor Strange movie. Then he got it, like the direction i was going. I've been playing cosmic characters since the 1990s. I guess i see what you mean by the fluff text version of some interpretations. I came from the older harder scifi anime generation, where characters could die in vaccum, where the instability in the ground caused you to fall, etc. The DBZ interpretation (a punch is just a punch) always felt slapsticky to me. Like, i liked Goku vs. Freiza as his high point, but instead of making him more powerful, they just Weimar Republic'd his Power Rating along with everyone elses and introduced more silly characters. Like I dunno, in terms of narrative, Goku seemed more powerful fighting Freiza the first time than any later incarnation. The writers can say he's even more powerful, that his hair is now magenta with polka dots, but it actually feels weaker, and less serious. His former ascended godlike punches are now again, just punches. Like stuffed animals fighting. Same here! Back when Goku was the "Legendary Super Saiyan", not when everyone with a fraction of Saiyan blood could do it. It had meaning because of the story, and the story made it feel powerful. And then after that it just got hammy and repetitive. I loved it as a kid though. But translating that to RP, I like when there is story and a feeling of meaning behind the conflict. When planets collide its exactly like you said, slapstick. I lose interest quick. I would for instance take part in a fight like the one at the end of Sword of the Stranger before I would ever take part in a 'sword fight' like the ones in say Bleach. Damn, I had no idea Marvel made so many RPG systems! I only played this one cause our DnD DM was sick one week and one of our players had just bought the book and wanted to test it. He never made pregen anime characters. I believe they stuck me playing Luffy my best friend got Albert Wesker. I mean, it was impossible to take seriously in any way but it was alot of fun.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:52 pm
That's also a really old profile for Ertai. He made a mild powers profile for Ertai back in like 2010 that was interesting. Mostly because mild powers was -- ever since about 2008 -- the only game in town and if he wanted to play he had to play by the rules. No one was doing PC/cosmic stuff anymore; that whole approach more or less got shunted out completely, so when Ertai popped back up he realized he'd brought game pieces for the wrong board, and Ertai is nothing if not willing when it comes to playing the game.
As it stands, you're not likely to see Ertai pop up here. He's a busy guy.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:17 pm
The Thunder Tyrant That's also a really old profile for Ertai. He made a mild powers profile for Ertai back in like 2010 that was interesting. Mostly because mild powers was -- ever since about 2008 -- the only game in town and if he wanted to play he had to play by the rules. No one was doing PC/cosmic stuff anymore; that whole approach more or less got shunted out completely, so when Ertai popped back up he realized he'd brought game pieces for the wrong board, and Ertai is nothing if not willing when it comes to playing the game. As it stands, you're not likely to see Ertai pop up here. He's a busy guy. Now that inspires a great deal of confidence! But I thought as much, not alot of us have as much or any time for Gaia anymore and I'm pretty sure he's not even a member of this guild. Unfortunate, but that's life. Thanks for the info Darth!
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:00 am
Yep. Not being a member of the guild wouldn't stop him; I'm not a member and I can still post here, but the likelihood of Ertai being active any time soon seems to be rather slim. He's been more or less MIA for the past year. He missed out on both GCL Season and dipped out of his own major storyline in Sigil, so it seems like roleplay is pretty low on the priority list for him.
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:34 am
I've made a small correction in my post: G 2 arrow GS-2.
In reference to the pay grades of my employees. FWIW, temps and interns get paid GS-1. That is all.
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:52 am
Well! That goes to show how much I know about guild mechanics. I dont know whether his inactivity is a sign of a busy life or just better and more entertaining things but either way I wish him the best.
Looks like I might need a different opponent Mr. Clash!
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:41 am
Maximos Looks like I might need a different opponent Mr. Clash! Ertai is in the guild as The Great Absolute. If he doesn't show up soon, I will get you a new opponent. How would you feel a-bout battling Deitric? That is, if Darth is up for it!
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:29 am
I don't really roleplay anymore, and don't plan to until next year at the earliest. Lots of books to read and write, and a couple of the latter are on a deadline.
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:56 am
Maximos Well! That goes to show how much I know about guild mechanics. I dont know whether his inactivity is a sign of a busy life or just better and more entertaining things but either way I wish him the best. Looks like I might need a different opponent Mr. Clash! I wish him the best, too. Perhaps I'll bump up to middle- or light heavy-weight and take the heavy-weight challenge against Maximos.
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:56 am
Clash Fah Ertai is in the guild as The Great Absolute. If he doesn't show up soon, I will get you a new opponent. How would you feel a-bout battling Deitric? That is, if Darth is up for it! Darth is also exceptionally out of my league. Infact, he has his own league! Literally. The GCL is a real thing. Meanwhile, my fight with X is my first RP fight in years, I couldnt even give Darth sport much less a challenge. I mean, even if he wasnt busy with authoring I'd have to turn that down in the interest of fair play.
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:52 pm
I'll battle maximos. WhyTFnot right? 'sides. I still got 10 good teeth a working tongue and half a nose. It's just a flesh wound.
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:38 pm
Michael Noire I'll battle maximos. WhyTFnot right? 'sides. I still got 10 good teeth a working tongue and half a nose. It's just a flesh wound. I'm a good 98% sure you would still win. Some of those hits you gave Kazuma except the first two at the start of the fight would have finished Max. Opening a rift to the Marianas Trench? Dead. Hypercane? Dead. Hokuto Shin Ken? Dead - but I would honestly love having Max die to that. Okay, the more I type about this the more I like the idea of it. I think we need to get Mr. Noire to a white mage first though. I feel like if he entered the room like that Max would be concocting healing potions and trying to see if he can call any Healers or Clerics he has on hand to resuscitate Michael, and then he there'd be no fight cause he would certainly not want to go through all that just to see either of them all messed up again.
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