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 Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:15 pm
Quote: Alright I'm going to tell you a true story to prove my point that swearing is here for a reason. I was playing frisbee with my freind, just passing it at teh park. He threw it over my head and I chased it right into a picnic table. It hit my in the middle of my thighs. Now, I said f**k before collapsing. Saying "darn" just couldn't have summed up what I wanted to say. Swear words exist for a reason. To express emotion. Well exactly. Because they're universally recognizeable within a language, they pack a harder punch and are much more satisfying when you're angry. But that doesn't mean you're cursing anyone by using them.
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:35 pm
I know there's a verse somewhere that says you should control your tounge because while it may start as a small spark, it will quickly grow into a large fire. But I don't know if that nessicarily pertains to swearing. It could also just refer to speaking ill of someone. I think the Bible is kinda just trying to say "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" (something I have to keep reminding my dad but kjasdakfljsfkla that's a subject for later XD)
Like, if I seriously call you an idiot, with the intent that that's what you are, that's worse, in my opinion, than calling somsone a b**** in a joking manner. Or even calling someone a dog in a serious manner. That verse Fushigi referenced is the same thing- who are you lifting up when you speak negatively of them.
Random thought: I should check the Greek on that. It could be that the translator put swearing in the encompass it. Hmmm...
Anyway.
They main reason I shy away from excessive swearing is it makes you sound like... stupid and crude and immature. But I do recognize the fact that God only wants us to say good things about others. We're representing him and like... we should make a good impression.
Just a side thought XD
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:16 pm
Captain_Theoretical Quote: And may I draw everyone's attention back to the verses in Ephesians that I know are in this thread somewhere but I'm too lazy to find. Who are you lifting up when you swear? If you can't think of anyone, then chances are swearing is one of those things you should avoid doing. Well, you can't be lifting up people all the time. I mean, are you lifting up people when you sleep?
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:13 pm
Quote: No, but you'll die if you don't sleep. You won't die if you don't swear. Well, there are plenty of other things that don't uplift people. I don't uplift people when I chew gum, and I won't die if I don't do it.
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:24 pm
Good point. At any rate, the verses I was referencing deal specifically with things people say, not do.
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:28 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly Good point. At any rate, the verses I was referencing deal specifically with things people say, not do. But the thing is that those verses that deal, supposedly, with swearing are about what you do and not what you say. All those verses are about lying, cheating or insulting, not the seven words you can't say on television (well, it's eleven now, I think, but still).
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:47 am
But those things are things you do by saying them. You can't lie without saying something. You can't insult without saying something (even if you're saying it with a rude gesture).
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:39 pm
Quote: But those things are things you do by saying them. You can't lie without saying something. You can't insult without saying something (even if you're saying it with a rude gesture). But I can also say "Oogly boogly bop." and it's not uplifting people. Or "I like the color green." Or "Wow. That tree is really tall."
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:50 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly But those things are things you do by saying them. You can't lie without saying something. You can't insult without saying something (even if you're saying it with a rude gesture). So if I just say nothing it's not a sin? That's rather fallacious logic. I mean, what would be more likely to be a sin, hating someone without saying it or not hating them and saying 'I hate you'? It just doesn't make sense to say that swearing is a sin.
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:58 pm
Captain_Theoretical Quote: But those things are things you do by saying them. You can't lie without saying something. You can't insult without saying something (even if you're saying it with a rude gesture). But I can also say "Oogly boogly bop." and it's not uplifting people. Or "I like the color green." Or "Wow. That tree is really tall."
But I do agree that it's more the meaning and intent behind the words that's the sin rather than the phrase or word itself.
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:59 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Fushigi na Butterfly But those things are things you do by saying them. You can't lie without saying something. You can't insult without saying something (even if you're saying it with a rude gesture). So if I just say nothing it's not a sin? That's rather fallacious logic. I mean, what would be more likely to be a sin, hating someone without saying it or not hating them and saying 'I hate you'? It just doesn't make sense to say that swearing is a sin.
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:28 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly I think both are wrong. If you have a problem with someone, deal with it like an adult and tell them. However, if you don't hate someone, then don't tell them you do (unless it's absolutely clear you're joking; that's different). So what's so wrong with adding some adjectives to express your dislike for them more clearly?
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:31 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly Yeah, but it doesn't bring them down. Swearing might not bring everyone down, but the fact that it's offensive to some people means that it brings them down in some way. I'm personally offended by swearing; to me it's like nails on a chalkboard. You can't just say, "Oh, well, stop being offended." No one is going to be brought down by the phrases you mentioned, even if they aren't lifted up by them. Swearing doesn't lift up, but it can bring down.
But I do agree that it's more the meaning and intent behind the words that's the sin rather than the phrase or word itself. If we are bound to inaction by the fear of 'offending' someone, then we are truely useless people indeed. I mean, I can understand and sympathize with people who get offended at stuff that has a logical and meaningful basis for them to be offended (I.E. racist jokes). However, when this sensibility is based of an arbitrarily decided group of words that has been labeled 'bad' by society, we really must question the validity of it.
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:42 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Fushigi na Butterfly I think both are wrong. If you have a problem with someone, deal with it like an adult and tell them. However, if you don't hate someone, then don't tell them you do (unless it's absolutely clear you're joking; that's different). So what's so wrong with adding some adjectives to express your dislike for them more clearly?
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:43 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Fushigi na Butterfly Yeah, but it doesn't bring them down. Swearing might not bring everyone down, but the fact that it's offensive to some people means that it brings them down in some way. I'm personally offended by swearing; to me it's like nails on a chalkboard. You can't just say, "Oh, well, stop being offended." No one is going to be brought down by the phrases you mentioned, even if they aren't lifted up by them. Swearing doesn't lift up, but it can bring down.
But I do agree that it's more the meaning and intent behind the words that's the sin rather than the phrase or word itself. If we are bound to inaction by the fear of 'offending' someone, then we are truely useless people indeed. I mean, I can understand and sympathize with people who get offended at stuff that has a logical and meaningful basis for them to be offended (I.E. racist jokes). However, when this sensibility is based of an arbitrarily decided group of words that has been labeled 'bad' by society, we really must question the validity of it.
If running around naked in front of someone were offensive to them, but you thought of it as a wonderful, beautiful display of the human body, which God has made, would you keep doing it just because they had a stupid reason for being offended?? I should hope not.
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